Catholics neeed to read their Bibles!

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The Bible-reading habits of Catholics lag far behind those of Evangelical Protestants. For their part, Evangelicals are usually ignorant of Church history, at least those nearly fifteen centuries before Martin Luther came along. It’s a sad fact of human nature that people tend to pit things against each other that don’t need to be opposed logically (or biblically). It should be both/and, not either/or. Catholics ought to do more Bible reading, and Evangelicals ought to read more Church history. We can learn from each other…

Protestants often find it difficult to reconcile Catholics’ lack of Bible reading with our claims to possess the fullness of Christian truth. Any viewpoint that is self-confident and healthy needs to engage criticism openly and honestly, no matter what the forum is. Protestants do that all the time. They write whole books about problems in their ranks. It is a sign of health and vigor…

For non-Catholics to respect us, they have to see us criticizing ourselves and not closing ranks and pretending that we are above all the errors with which everyone else struggles. This truth is obvious, and outsiders see it already, so we have to deal with it frankly. I’m not advocating a neglect of anything else in the Catholic spiritual or liturgical life. I’m maintaining only that too many Catholics neglect or try to minimize or de-emphasize the Bible…

If a Catholic truly does know Scripture, he also needs to demonstrate that in conversation: “Walk the walk,” don’t just “talk the talk.” The more we show that Bible and Catholicism are not contradictory terms, the more we appeal to Protestants with the truth of our overall message. A Catholic who is properly prepared can easily go head-to-head with a Protestant exegete…

Dave Armstrong, webmaster of Biblical Evidence for Catholicism (www.biblicalcatholic.com), is the author of A Biblical Defense of Catholicism (Sophia Institute Press, 2003). He writes from Detroit, Michigan, where he lives with his wife, Judy, and their four children.

I have personally found that the Catholics that I have had the privilege to discuss Christianity with in general… handle Scripture very weak and anemic. Scripture interprets Scripture, or we need to consider all of Scripture before we come to a conclusion on a particular doctrine. You can’t debate something and just say the Catholic Chruch believes this or that; therefore it is true.

Here is your chance to sharpen your iron with a sola scritpura Christian Brother. However, we need to discuss a doctrine within all that is written in the Scriptures about a particular topic. We cannot be cafeteria Christians, ignoring parts of what is written to fit a preconceived idea, and expect to find the truth. We also cannot debate biblical doctrine by stating our personal views and opinions apart from Scripture proof. If you believe something, support it with Scripture in its proper context within clear biblical doctrine. I agree with this article from Catholic Answers in the sense of the lack of biblical knowledge of most Catholics that you meet. Do you want to sharpen your skills in the Scirptures? Of course, we need to debate the more essential issues like the gospel. But we can also discuss issues of Calvinisim if you’d like… if you stay within the Scriptures.
 
I have personally found that the Catholics that I have had the privilege to discuss Christianity with in general to handle Scripture very anemic and weak. Scripture interprets Scripture, or we need to consider all of Scripture before we come to a conclusion on a doctrine. Here is your chance to sharpen your iron with a sola scritpura Christian Brother. However, we need to discuss a doctrine within all that is written about a topic. We cannot be cafeteria Christians, ignoring parts of what is written to fit a preconceived idea, and expect to find the truth. We also cannot debate biblical doctrine by stating our personal views and opinions apart from Scripture proof. If you believe something, support it with Scripture in its proper context of clearly Biblical doctrine. I agree with this article from Catholic Answers in the sense of the lack of biblical knowledge of most Catholics that you meet.
So . . . you’re asking Catholics to argue within the confines of Sola Scriptura? This is not what any of these people you quoted above were saying, at all, I promise you. Here’s a quote from Armstrong’s piece that you failed to include:
The history of Protestant divergent interpretation (where error must be present, because Protestants contradict themselves) proves that the Church is necessary for the proper interpretation of Scripture. The formal system of sola scriptura has failed abysmally.
Saying that Catholics can be weak in Scriptural knowledge is not pulling into question the teachings of the Church, nor is it acknowledging Sola Scriptura as a legitimate belief. It’s merely saying that individual Catholics have a responsibilty to study Sacred Scripture, which is true.
 
So . . . you’re asking Catholics to argue within the confines of Sola Scriptura? This is not what any of these people you quoted above were saying, at all, I promise you. Here’s a quote from Armstrong’s piece that you failed to include:

Saying that Catholics can be weak in Scriptural knowledge is not pulling into question the teachings of the Church, nor is it acknowledging Sola Scriptura as a legitimate belief. It’s merely saying that individual Catholics have a responsibilty to study Sacred Scripture, which is true.
“If a Catholic truly does know Scripture, he also needs to demonstrate that in conversation: “Walk the walk,” don’t just “talk the talk.” The more we show that Bible and Catholicism are not contradictory terms, the more we appeal to Protestants with the truth of our overall message. A Catholic who is properly prepared can easily go head-to-head with a Protestant exegete…”

Armstrong

If you appeal to extra-biblical revelation to a Protestant, it means nothing to that Christian. It goes in one ear and out the other. The typical Protestant is thinking that the typical Catholic does not know the Scriptures. Therefore, we usually don’t take your positon seriously apart from a bibilcal challenge. However, the biblical challenge needs to be presented in the proper context of major biblical doctrines. You cannot pull verses out of context and be taken seriously by grounded Protestants. I posted these two links on my signature for the good of Catholic Christians. They just might be great good news that many Catholics may not be aware of.

But many Catholics to this day have not learned the Catholic and biblical doctrine. They think we are saved by good intentions or being nice or sincere or trying a little harder or doing a sufficient number of good deeds. Over the past twenty-five years I have asked hundreds of Catholic college students the question: If you should die tonight and God asks you why he should let you into heaven, what would you answer? The vast majority of them simply do not know the right answer to this, the most important of all questions, the very essence of Christianity. They usually do not even mention Jesus!

Until we Catholics know the foundation, Protestants are not going to listen to us when we try to teach them about the upper stories of the building. - Catholic College Professor
 
“If a Catholic truly does know Scripture, he also needs to demonstrate that in conversation: “Walk the walk,” don’t just “talk the talk.” The more we show that Bible and Catholicism are not contradictory terms, the more we appeal to Protestants with the truth of our overall message. A Catholic who is properly prepared can easily go head-to-head with a Protestant exegete…”

Armstrong

If you appeal to extra-biblical revelation to a Protestant, it means nothing to that Christian. It goes in one ear and out the other. The typical Protestant is thinking that the typical Catholic does not know the Scriptures. Therefore, we usually don’t take your positon seriously apart from a bibilcal challenge.

I don’t have a problem with this and believe that what you say here is in line with what the above quotations were claiming.
However, the biblical challenge needs to be presented in the proper context of major biblical doctrines.
In your own words what is the “good news” that Catholics may not be aware of?

I’m wondering if you are confusing Catholics not being familiar with the geographical locations of issues within the Bible (which is what the authors are referring to) and the Truths that are contained within the Bible. There is a big difference.
 
Do you realize how condescending and arrogant you sound, even if that is not your intent? You posted the link to the Pope’s General Audience entitled “The Doctrine of Justification: from Works to Faith” and assume that 1) we don’t know what our own Pope (or Church, for that matter) has been saying about things all along and 2) that you, not being brought up Catholic and having far far less instruction in Catholic doctrine than any of us that you would understand it better than we do? (You don’t, by the way.)

All you’re going to do if you keep going in this direction is to offend a lot of people, along with giving them a slight chuckle when they read what you think the Pope is saying. You’re doing all of this while trying to give us pointers on how to better argue with Protestants?
 
Do you mind if I copy your OP onto the Apologetics board and bring that up there? I think the people on that board will be very interested in your interpretation and I think it also better belongs in that forum.
 
Do you realize how condescending and arrogant you sound, even if that is not your intent? You posted the link to the Pope’s General Audience entitled “The Doctrine of Justification: from Works to Faith” and assume that 1) we don’t know what our own Pope (or Church, for that matter) has been saying about things all along and 2) that you, not being brought up Catholic and having far far less instruction in Catholic doctrine than any of us that you would understand it better than we do? (You don’t, by the way.)

All you’re going to do if you keep going in this direction is to offend a lot of people, along with giving them a slight chuckle when they read what you think the Pope is saying. You’re doing all of this while trying to give us pointers on how to better argue with Protestants?
This is the point I was going to bring up.

When you find out that your perceptions of Catholicism and your far-reaching generalizations are untrue, I’m sure you’ll be using a different tone on this forum. Please remember that Jesus wants us to be humble.
 
At Mass this Sunday there were 3 readings, a psalm, plus the antiphonal chants from scriputre too. And a homily (sermon). On weekdays there are 2 readings instead of 3 and the rest is the same. Aside from that the Mass quotes the Bible from top to bottom. That’s a lot of Bible! Some Evengelical places have the pastor nit-picking 3 or so verses from scripture and off they go.

I personally have at least one version of every Catholic translation from 1582 onwards!

The Bible is very important to Catholics. You can read it on the Vatican’s webiste and see the trillion footnotes in the Catechism. But life in Christ is more than reading a book, a sacred book compiled by the Catholic Church at the Council of Rome in 382 AD. We must hold onto tradtion (including the Bible) wether written or spoken - the whole deposit of faith that reposes in the Church and is protected by the Holy Spirit - not just part of it.

Which Catholics by the way “minimize or de-emphasize the Bible”???

There’s not much point in reading the Bible if your don’t understand it, like reading a book on molecular biology. You need a compitent teacher (the Church) to expound and explain. Take baptism for example. Christ says to be saved you need to believe AND be baptised. Now some Protestants say no baptism, some say yes but symbolic, some say no water, some say water with full immersion, some partial immersion etc etc.

If Protestants were so great with their Bibles, they’d become Catholic 😃
 
Hello bookgirl32

I decided to look in as this is a new thread. I could not help but notice that you were offended by 2ndadam’s posts.

Please correct me if I am wrong, You feel that a non-catholic,raised as a non-catholic,not given catholic instruction in doctrine not would be able to interpret scripture as well as a catholic who is(was).
 
How do you interpret these verses? I’m curious.

John 6:53-55 (King James Version)

53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
 
Its true that many christians need to read their bibles more, however its not an exclusively Catholic problem. In fact out of all the so-called protestants i know only one regularly reads their bible and he’s a pastor. Now i live in one of the most secularised countries in the world so its probably different elsewhere, but to say that “Catholics don;t read the bible” is a false statement.

From my experience it depends on the piety and religiousity of the christian involved. A devout catholic is much more likely to read the bible then a protestant who is not as devout. Likewise one of the reasons protestants seem to make an issue of bible reading is because catholics don’t follow sola scriptura, we have a more diverse and in my opinion complete approach to christian belief, by this i mean the full approach of sacred tradition, magisterium and scripture.
 
Going to Mass and learning about the Mass is very helpful to learn the Scriptures since we read it in the readings, Gospels and the psalms. After 3 years, we cover more Scripture then most would realize.
 
I have to leave for a few hours. However, this thread is based on a Catholic article on Catholic Answers.
 
catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0402fea3.asp
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Catholics neeed to read their Bibles!**

The Bible-reading habits of Catholics lag far behind those of Evangelical Protestants. For their part, Evangelicals are usually ignorant of Church history, at least those nearly fifteen centuries before Martin Luther came along. It’s a sad fact of human nature that people tend to pit things against each other that don’t need to be opposed logically (or biblically). It should be both/and, not either/or. Catholics ought to do more Bible reading, and Evangelicals ought to read more Church history. We can learn from each other…

Agreed, as long as Catholics do not take as gospel truth (pun intended) biblical interpretations which are not in line with Magesterial teachings. But I agree, that a good Catholic understanding of Scripture would go a long way in apologetics.

Protestants often find it difficult to reconcile Catholics’ lack of Bible reading with our claims to possess the fullness of Christian truth. Any viewpoint that is self-confident and healthy needs to engage criticism openly and honestly, no matter what the forum is. Protestants do that all the time. They write whole books about problems in their ranks. It is a sign of health and vigor…

For non-Catholics to respect us, they have to see us criticizing ourselves and not closing ranks and pretending that we are above all the errors with which everyone else struggles. This truth is obvious, and outsiders see it already, so we have to deal with it frankly. I’m not advocating a neglect of anything else in the Catholic spiritual or liturgical life. I’m maintaining only that too many Catholics neglect or try to minimize or de-emphasize the Bible…

I’m curious, on what point(s) should we be critical of ourselves? That we don’t study scripture as much as we should?

If a Catholic truly does know Scripture, he also needs to demonstrate that in conversation: “Walk the walk,” don’t just “talk the talk.” The more we show that Bible and Catholicism are not contradictory terms, the more we appeal to Protestants with the truth of our overall message. A Catholic who is properly prepared can easily go head-to-head with a Protestant exegete…

I agree to some extent. However, typical Protestant exegetes use the “That’s an incorrect interpretation!” retort to most Catholic teachings on scripture. So inevitably such head-to-heads are stalemated at the differing interpretation stage.

Dave Armstrong, webmaster of Biblical Evidence for Catholicism (www.biblicalcatholic.com), is the author of A Biblical Defense of Catholicism (Sophia Institute Press, 2003). He writes from Detroit, Michigan, where he lives with his wife, Judy, and their four children.

I have personally found that the Catholics that I have had the privilege to discuss Christianity with in general… handle Scripture very weak and anemic. Scripture interprets Scripture, or we need to consider all of Scripture before we come to a conclusion on a particular doctrine. You can’t debate something and just say the Catholic Chruch believes this or that; therefore it is true.

Here is your chance to sharpen your iron with a sola scritpura Christian Brother. However, we need to discuss a doctrine within all that is written in the Scriptures about a particular topic. We cannot be cafeteria Christians, ignoring parts of what is written to fit a preconceived idea, and expect to find the truth. We also cannot debate biblical doctrine by stating our personal views and opinions apart from Scripture proof. If you believe something, support it with Scripture in its proper context within clear biblical doctrine. I agree with this article from Catholic Answers in the sense of the lack of biblical knowledge of most Catholics that you meet. Do you want to sharpen your skills in the Scirptures? Of course, we need to debate the more essential issues like the gospel. But we can also discuss issues of Calvinisim if you’d like… if you stay within the Scriptures.
 
Hello bookgirl32

I decided to look in as this is a new thread. I could not help but notice that you were offended by 2ndadam’s posts.

Please correct me if I am wrong, You feel that a non-catholic,raised as a non-catholic,not given catholic instruction in doctrine not would be able to interpret scripture as well as a catholic who is(was).
No. I feel that someone not given Catholic instruction in doctrine would not be able to interpret Catholic doctrine, and the Pope’s general audience about Catholic doctrine (as well as anything else he writes or says), as well as an educated Catholic.
 
I have to leave for a few hours. However, this thread is based on a Catholic article on Catholic Answers.
That you are twisting to serve your own purposes. I’ve already quoted you from the exact same articles sections you conveniently ignored that call Sola Scriptura a total failure. This isn’t about debating Catholic vs. Protestant doctrine. This is about you purposefully misinterpreting Catholic authors.
 
Hello bookgirl32.
Thank you for your response; Not being a catholic could you please define “catholic doctrine”.
 
Hello bookgirl32.
Thank you for your response; Not being a catholic could you please define “catholic doctrine”.
I will.

Catholic doctrine is the fullness of truth as revealed to man through Christ and the apostles passed down for nearly 2000 years.
 
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