"Catholics" on Birth Control

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I am recently talking to this women who is on BC, claims to be catholic, and says everything is ok with it. She says that her priest and even the bishop has told her that it is simply ok and that she is fine and can continue to take communion. She is one of these feminist types and she absolutely won’t listen to anything I have told her.

I told her what she is doing is a sin. And I have doubts that a priest actually told her specifically it was ok. The priest probably was avoiding the issue or wanted to conclude on a neutral note, and thus she thought he was justifying her. What can I do to help this woman? She is taking communion in mortal sin everytime and it seems she thinks everything is ok.
 
God bless you. You have done what needed doing. You admonished the sinner. All that is really left available is praying for her conversion.
 
You have done all you can except to continue to pray for her. Unless she accepts the tip off, and knows in conscience that she is wrong, subjectively she may not be culpable of mortal sin. Whether she realizes that she needs to look into the contradiction is a whole different matter.

In these post modern times there are a lot of Catholics out there who are from an objective point of view doing things that are mortally sinful. Whether or not they are fully culpable and in a state of mortal sin is something only they, God, and their confessor, if they have one, knows. A lot of young folks, growing up after Vatican II have been misled by well meaning clergy and have not themselves ever studied the virtues or moral theology. Their notion of serious sin doesn’t go very far beyond direct murder or stealing half a million dollars. The ten commandments are looked at as guidelines and the deeper ramifications of each one is nebulous at best…
 
There is the possibility that this woman is Catholic, unmarried, chaste and is on BC because of the health benefits. In that case, it’s possible that a priest told her it was ok. Taking ABC is not a sin if you are not married and trying to avoid having a child.
Just food for thought…🙂
 
no, shes married, and takes it because she dosen’t want kids. She even said her bishop said it was ok. Im having a hard time believing her. I also found she is pro-choice and is feminist.

I don’t understand how these people can blantantly go against church teaching and yet claim to be ok when taking communion. Are they really just that ignorant? or is it bad denial and wanting justification of sin
 
Jea9 said:
There is the possibility that this woman is Catholic, unmarried, chaste and is on BC because of the health benefits. In that case, it’s possible that a priest told her it was ok. Taking ABC is not a sin if you are not married and trying to avoid having a child.
Just food for thought…🙂
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ABC is wrong (a sin) if you are married OR unmarried and trying to avoid having a child. It can be okay for health reasons either way, but NOT for avoiding pregnancy. Usually when it is referred to as BIRTH CONTROL, it is being used for that purpose, not for other health reasons.
 
Renton405 said:
no, shes married, and takes it because she dosen’t want kids. She even said her bishop said it was ok. Im having a hard time believing her. I also found she is pro-choice and is feminist.

I don’t understand how these people can blantantly go against church teaching and yet claim to be ok when taking communion. Are they really just that ignorant? or is it bad denial and wanting justification of sin
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Did she come to you and tell you this, or did you find this out through asking her?

If she is openly discussing this with you, then why not put the heat on her and ask her to defend her position.

Does she have a letter or email from the priest and bishop, with letterhead, that she can present as proof of their approval?

Furthermore, even if a priest or bishop said it was okay, she still has no grounds to stand on (other than at least being truthful to her statements) because individual opinion does not excuse anyone from Christ’s Teachings.

I would first bluntly ask for the required proof, then go on to make it absolutely clear that every priest in the world can say so, but she is still bound by church teachings.

If she continues to claim she is Catholic, simply point out that Catholics are to follow Christ’s teachings and she is not doing so.

Remember, though, this wouldn’t be very charitable of a thing to do if you dug into her life and she didn’t dish it out to you.
 
Renton405 said:
I am recently talking to this women who is on BC, claims to be catholic, and says everything is ok with it. She says that her priest and even the bishop has told her that it is simply ok and that she is fine and can continue to take communion. She is one of these feminist types and she absolutely won’t listen to anything I have told her.

I told her what she is doing is a sin. And I have doubts that a priest actually told her specifically it was ok. The priest probably was avoiding the issue or wanted to conclude on a neutral note, and thus she thought he was justifying her. What can I do to help this woman? She is taking communion in mortal sin everytime and it seems she thinks everything is ok.
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Show her the official Church’s teachings and not the individual opinions of a priest (assuming she is telling you the truth about what she alleges she was told).

CCC 2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “**every action **which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, **to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil: **
Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.
 
“The turbulent have to be corrected, the faint-hearted cheered up, the weak supported; the Gospel’s opponents need to be refuted, its insidious enemies guarded against; the unlearned need to be taught, the indolent stirred up, the argumentative checked; the proud must be put in their place, the desperate set on their feet, those engaged in quarrels reconciled; the needy have to be helped, the oppressed to be liberated, the good to be encouraged, the bad to be tolerated;…all must be loved”
- St. Augustine
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What’s sad is how common this really is!
I think priests are weak on this issue… afraid of confrontation.
Do you ever hear this topic discussed at Mass? I don’t. Maybe it’s not “appropriate” at Mass because homilies are supposed to be about the Gospel, but still… I don’t see this issue talked about regularly!

I would personally approach the priest at her parish on this issue… and even the bishop.
Bring the catechism along and have a nice little chat.
🤷
(Not that I’ve done this… something that I probably SHOULD do, though)
 
Renton405 said:
no, shes married, and takes it because she dosen’t want kids. She even said her bishop said it was ok. Im having a hard time believing her. I also found she is pro-choice and is feminist.

I don’t understand how these people can blantantly go against church teaching and yet claim to be ok when taking communion. Are they really just that ignorant? or is it bad denial and wanting justification of sin
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I think sometimes it is all three, some are that ignorant, some in bad denial and some just want justification for their sins. That’s why we all need to educate them at every opportunity with the facts. Instruct the ignorant, admonish the sinner, …:signofcross: :gopray2:
 
Jea9 said:
There is the possibility that this woman is Catholic, unmarried, chaste and is on BC because of the health benefits. In that case, it’s possible that a priest told her it was ok. Taking ABC is not a sin if you are not married and trying to avoid having a child.
Just food for thought…🙂
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Say what?
 
birth control pills are used for a variety of women’s health issues. If a woman is single and chaste then taking them is not a sin. If a woman is married, or otherwise in a sexual relationship then it IS. Circumstances ARE important in this situation. The OP states that she is married and wants to avoid having a child, I agree this is a sin and the woman needs to be educated.
 
Jea9 said:
birth control pills are used for a variety of women’s health issues. If a woman is single and chaste then taking them is not a sin. If a woman is married, or otherwise in a sexual relationship then it IS. Circumstances ARE important in this situation. The OP states that she is married and wants to avoid having a child, I agree this is a sin and the woman needs to be educated.
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I don’t even know that the pill is sinful if a woman is married if there is a true medical need. I have no desire to investigate.

Here’s the statement I don’t understand though:
Taking ABC is not a sin **if you are not married and trying to avoid having a child.
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The Pill is not sinful if prescribed for a medical reason. However, having sexual relations while on the pill is wrong because contracepted sex is always prohibited. So, if a woman is on the pill, she cannot have sex. First, the pill is abortofacient, so it could cause an abortion. Second, contracepted sex violates the Natural Law because it is not procreative (nor is it unitive b/c a spouse would be withholding her - or his - fertility).

An unmarried person having sex commits the sin of fornication.
 
I though that the Church teaches that Birth Control is intrinsically evil…how can something that is “intrinsically evil” not be a sin in every and all circumstances.

:rolleyes:
 
Renton405 said:
I am recently talking to this women who is on BC, claims to be catholic, and says everything is ok with it. She says that her priest and even the bishop has told her that it is simply ok and that she is fine and can continue to take communion. She is one of these feminist types and she absolutely won’t listen to anything I have told her.

I told her what she is doing is a sin. And I have doubts that a priest actually told her specifically it was ok. The priest probably was avoiding the issue or wanted to conclude on a neutral note, and thus she thought he was justifying her. What can I do to help this woman? She is taking communion in mortal sin everytime and it seems she thinks everything is ok.
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What she is doing IS a sin if she is doing it to avoid pregnancy. But the ones who should really be help accountable are the priest and bishop who gave her the go-ahead. Their acceptance of b.c. is against Church teaching.
 
Em_in_FL said:
What’s sad is how common this really is!
I think priests are weak on this issue… afraid of confrontation.
Do you ever hear this topic discussed at Mass? I don’t. Maybe it’s not “appropriate” at Mass because homilies are supposed to be about the Gospel, but still… I don’t see this issue talked about regularly!

I would personally approach the priest at her parish on this issue… and even the bishop.
Bring the catechism along and have a nice little chat.
🤷
(Not that I’ve done this… something that I probably SHOULD do, though)
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Our priests regularly (I would say at least once a month) talk about the evils of contraception, abortion, sex outside marriage, masturbation, and homosexual activity.
 
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