Catholics only: Do you hate homosexual sex acts (as we are obliged to)?

[Kolbe300]

Since the “Christians” are so prolific with their hate, it should be fairly easy to rustle up a few links to PM for me. Thanks!

Remind me to never do a stereotyping experiment on here ever again!! I set up a tiny little trap to make a point and just about everyone fell headfirst into it. (Twice!)

You won’t FIND a truly Christian website spreading hate. What you will find while looking at hateful, anti-gay websites is that nearly every one of them is run by Christians suffering from a bad case of “grevious doctrinal error.” (Thanks dconstruct )

Now, if someone wants links to THOSE websites, you can find them yourselves. I wouldn’t even enjoy typing the url in to send it to you. With the magic of GOOGLE you can go enjoy those sites for days, if you’d like. (I really hope no one wants to.)

And I cannot believe I’m still up. G’night everyone!!

 

[estesbob]

The usual derailing of a homosexual thread by homosexual apologists is now complete. Page after page of commited Catholics having to defend their support of Catholic Doctrine as not being the work of homophobic, homosexual beating, bigots.

I wonder if the homosexual apologists could give us a list of other sins Catholics are not allowed to comment on lest it lead to brutal beatings and virulent hate of those who commit them.?

To get back on topics-yes we should hate ANY act that puts a persons immortal soul in danger. Why there is any dispute about that in a Catholic foum is beyond me.

 

[dconstruct]

…yes we should hate ANY act that puts a persons immortal soul in danger…

Hatred puts your immortal soul in danger…and that was MY point.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

…yes we should hate ANY act that puts a persons immortal soul in danger…

Hatred puts your immortal soul in danger…and that was MY point.

And not speaking out against the sin puts your soul in danger.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I always understood it to be we should not participate in acts “that puts a person’s immortal soul in danger” I guess I missed the commandment on a requirement to “hate”. I think the OT calls for stoning fornicators, yet Jesus refused to stone a girl caught in the act, maybe he was a fornicator apologist? He then said love your neighbor as yourself, so have we thrown any stones lately? I think we do at gay people, that is the question why is that acceptable? Do we love a gay neighbor as our self? Maybe that should have been the thread “Do you love your gay neighbor as yourself?” how about “Do you love your practicing homosexual neighbor as yourself?”(‘ oh now that’s going too far)

 

[dconstruct]

"And not speaking out against the sin puts your soul in danger."

Sin is defined as a conscious choice to seperate one’s self from the grace of God. Truly, if you were gay, then maybe you would feel divorced from God’s grace or maybe you wouldn’t. However, if you aren’t gay, then making gay people’s sexuality your business and concern seems a little like tending your neihbor’s flock while the wolves have their way with yours.

Why not speak out against your OWN sin? Is the splinter in your eye so comfortable and unobtrusive that you can spend so much time helping your gay brothers and sisters remove their splinters from their eyes? If it is, then it sounds to me that you are in greater danger.

Let he/she without sin and all that…

EDIT: Right on, TexasRoofer!

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

"And not speaking out against the sin puts your soul in danger."

Sin is defined as a conscious choice to seperate one’s self from the grace of God. Truly, if you were gay, then maybe you would feel divorced from God’s grace or maybe you wouldn’t. However, if you aren’t gay, then making gay people’s sexuality your business and concern seems a little like tending your neihbor’s flock while the wolves have their way with yours.

Why not speak out against your OWN sin? Is the splinter in your eye so comfortable and unobtrusive that you can spend so much time helping your gay brothers and sisters remove their splinters from their eyes? If it is, then it sounds to me that you are in greater danger.

Let he/she without sin and all that…

EDIT: Right on, TexasRoofer!

Nine Ways of being Accessory to Another’s Sin

By counsel-talking one into sin
By command-telling one to sin
By consent- agreeing with the sin
By provocation- to pressure one into sin
By praise or flattery- congratulating the sin committed by others
By concealment- covering up the sin for another
By partaking- approving sin by assisting in it
By silence-by not speaking up against the sin
By defense of the ill done- rationalizing the sin done or will be done

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

I always understood it to be we should not participate in acts “that puts a person’s immortal soul in danger

Nine Ways of being Accessory to Another’s Sin

By counsel-talking one into sin
By command-telling one to sin
By consent- agreeing with the sin
By provocation- to pressure one into sin
By praise or flattery- congratulating the sin committed by others
By concealment- covering up the sin for another
By partaking- approving sin by assisting in it
By silence-by not speaking up against the sin
By defense of the ill done- rationalizing the sin done or will be done

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Nine Ways of being Accessory to Another’s Sin

By counsel-talking one into sin
By command-telling one to sin
By consent- agreeing with the sin
By provocation- to pressure one into sin
By praise or flattery- congratulating the sin committed by others
By concealment- covering up the sin for another
By partaking- approving sin by assisting in it
By silence-by not speaking up against the sin
By defense of the ill done- rationalizing the sin done or will be done

So now you know why I posted against you on several occasions.

 

[estesbob]

I always understood it to be we should not participate in acts “that puts a person’s immortal soul in danger” I guess I missed the commandment on a requirement to “hate”. I think the OT calls for stoning fornicators, yet Jesus refused to stone a girl caught in the act, maybe he was a fornicator apologist? He then said love your neighbor as yourself, so have we thrown any stones lately? I think we do at gay people, that is the question why is that acceptable? Do we love a gay neighbor as our self? Maybe that should have been the thread “Do you love your gay neighbor as yourself?” how about “Do you love your practicing homosexual neighbor as yourself?”(‘ oh now that’s going too far)

In the Confetior we confess for what we have done and for what we had failed to do.

 

[dconstruct]

Nine Ways of being Accessory to Another’s Sin

By counsel-talking one into sin
By command-telling one to sin
By consent- agreeing with the sin
By provocation- to pressure one into sin
**By praise or flattery- congratulating the sin committed by others **
By concealment- covering up the sin for another
By partaking- approving sin by assisting in it
By silence-by not speaking up against the sin
By defense of the ill done- rationalizing the sin done or will be done

I’m guesing that hypocrisy would fall under flattery and praise (the flattery and unjustifiable praise of the self).

My point still stands: worry about your own sins (i.e. mind your business), before you start worrying about other people’s sins. Their sins might be more obvious and out in the open than yours, but the hidden ones are generally more grotesque (a truism for both sins and serial killers).

 

[estesbob]

"And not speaking out against the sin puts your soul in danger."

Sin is defined as a conscious choice to seperate one’s self from the grace of God. Truly, if you were gay, then maybe you would feel divorced from God’s grace or maybe you wouldn’t. However, if you aren’t gay, then making gay people’s sexuality your business and concern seems a little like tending your neihbor’s flock while the wolves have their way with yours.

Why not speak out against your OWN sin? Is the splinter in your eye so comfortable and unobtrusive that you can spend so much time helping your gay brothers and sisters remove their splinters from their eyes? If it is, then it sounds to me that you are in greater danger.

Let he/she without sin and all that…

EDIT: Right on, TexasRoofer!

It is interesting that we are always hearing about our homosexual brothers and sisters. But we never hear about our adulterous brothers and sisters or are incestuous brothers and sisters. I suspect the truth of the matter is you not comfortable with Church teaching on homosexual . Rather than acknowledging that you prefer o attack those who point out the clear Catholic teaching on this .

I hope you’re not suggesting that only perfect people are allowed to proclaim the teachings of the Church?

 

[estesbob]

So now you know why I posted against you on several occasions.

Yes it is readily apparent that you are more than willing to criticize those who criticize sin.

 

[estesbob]

I’m guesing that hypocrisy would fall under flattery and praise (the flattery and unjustifiable praise of the self).

My point still stands: worry about your own sins (i.e. mind your business), before you start worrying about other people’s sins. Their sins might be more obvious and out in the open than yours, but the hidden ones are generally more grotesque (a truism for both sins and serial killers).

What a ridiculous assertion. So we are to remain silent in the face at any sin whatsoever as we are not perfect? So when I counsel in a crisis pregnancy center I should never criticize abortion because I have sins in my own? This ridiculous argument is only found in threads about homosexuality.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Estebob-

Thank you.

 

[estesbob]

YES, it would seem you would rather condone the sin:shrug:

It is unfortunate but for many the only sin is acknowledging there is sin.

 

[Cathy]

Someone on this thread mentioned Jesus’ forgiveness of the adulterous woman. Here’s a response in an article by an Abbot, Joseph:

"Some people try to justify their (or society’s) wrongdoing by saying, for example, that Jesus refused to condemn the woman caught in adultery and that He spent much of His time eating and drinking with sinners. They don’t seem to be willing or able to understand why He did that. Jesus’ words to the adulterous woman, ‘Neither do I condemn you’ (John 8:11), are filled with forgiveness, not tolerance. She knew her own sin, and He knew that she did, whereas the would-be stone throwers weren’t reflecting upon theirs. So Jesus had to deal with them first. But after He forgave the woman, notice that Jesus did not say, ‘Go, follow your feelings, celebrate diversity, and try not to hurt anyone.’ He said, Go, and sin no more. To the paralytic, He added a further warning: ‘Sin no more, lest something worse bafall you’ (John 5:14)…

“…Is it compassionate to deny a sinner a last chance to repent? Is it compassionate thereby to consign him to Hell, with the kindly look on your face the last thing he sees? That is the devil’s compassion, not the Lord’s.”

 

[blessedtoo]

Why not speak out against your OWN sin? Is the splinter in your eye so comfortable and unobtrusive that you can spend so much time helping your gay brothers and sisters remove their splinters from their eyes? If it is, then it sounds to me that you are in greater danger.

Let he/she without sin and all that…

EDIT: Right on, TexasRoofer!

Let me apply your logic.

My son, who has been living in sin for nealy 10 years, and is an apostate from the faith, is, based on Catholic teaching and theology, bound for a warmer climate in the afterlife unless he repents.

My sister, living in a lesbian lifestyle for over 20 years, and an apostate from her faith, is bound for that same destination should she remain unrepentent.

They are not only my neighbors, but my family and I love them MORE than I love myself. What shall I do? What will I say to my Lord when (and if) I meet Him and He wants to know why I left behind those He gave me to guide home to Him?

 

[Kolbe300]

The usual derailing of a homosexual thread by homosexual apologists is now complete. Page after page of commited Catholics having to defend their support of Catholic Doctrine as not being the work of homophobic, homosexual beating, bigots.

I’m assuming (and possibly shouldn’t be) that you perceive me as one of these “homosexual apologists”. Am I correct? If so, I can’t help but wonder how you’ve missed that I am on your side. I embrace the Church’s teachings and my goal is to help others to do the same. I felt compelled to post in an effort to maybe help some people realize the callousness with which they preach they truth. And, as I’ve mentioned before, if a person walks away having heard the truth yet feeling unloved, we have failed. I’m on your side. Yet, if I hadn’t received some of the beautiful private messages that I have, I would have left here days ago. At times I’ve felt as welcome here as a disease. I can’t even imagine how one lost in sin must feel.

I wonder if the homosexual apologists could give us a list of other sins Catholics are not allowed to comment on lest it lead to brutal beatings and virulent hate of those who commit them.?

I’ve certainly never said that sin shouldn’t be mentioned. And I haven’t seen a post that has. However, bringing a sin to light and obsessing over a sin are two very different things. You ask for a list of other sins Catholics aren’t allowed to comment on. First of all, I don’t think commenting on a sin leads to brutal beatings and hate. And, in case you didn’t notice, the Catholic who started the thread preferred our comments be pointed on one sin: homosexuality. I wonder why that is. Obsession, maybe?

It is interesting that we are always hearing about our homosexual brothers and sisters.?

What’s the title of the thread? And did a homosexual start it? It seems to me that some here don’t have an issue with hearing about their homosexual brothers and sisters, they’d just rather not be hearing from them.

But we never hear about our adulterous brothers and sisters or are incestuous brothers and sisters.

Could it be because nobody seems to be starting that thread?

I suspect the truth of the matter is you not comfortable with Church teaching on homosexual Rather than acknowledging that you prefer o attack those who point out the clear Catholic teaching on this.

I, for one, am beautifully comfortable with the Church’s teaching. What makes me uncomfortable, are some of those who teach it.

So when I counsel in a crisis pregnancy center I should never criticize abortion because I have sins in my own? This ridiculous argument is only found in threads about homosexuality.

God bless you for doing such counseling! That has got to be difficult work, yet such a great oportunity to be a blessing to others.

On this Christmas Eve, I wish all of you all the blessings you can handle. I hope you are surrounded by family and love. Merry Christmas!

 

[dconstruct]

Let me apply your logic.

My son, who has been living in sin for nealy 10 years, and is an apostate from the faith, is, based on Catholic teaching and theology, bound for a warmer climate in the afterlife unless he repents.

My sister, living in a lesbian lifestyle for over 20 years, and an apostate from her faith, is bound for that same destination should she remain unrepentent.

They are not only my neighbors, but my family and I love them MORE than I love myself. What shall I do? What will I say to my Lord when (and if) I meet Him and He wants to know why I left behind those He gave me to guide home to Him?

Why are you anxious about what you will say to your Lord when (not if–you sound like a person who hungers and thirsts for righteousness and Jesus was very clear on what he has waiting for people like you) you meet him? Why does the prospect of going home to your father create a sense of worry and trepidation in you?

I suspect, in part, because you are not clear on church teaching. The Church does not spell out any consequences at all for your son or your sister. The church warns against POSSIBLE consequences. However, the Church is OVERWHELMINGLY clear that we are ultimately responsible to our own conscience, first and foremost.

Now, if your son or sister has expressed to you that THEY FEEL as if they are unable to acknowledge a relationship with the divine, then it is a different story. If they feel cut off from God, then they probably are. Though even then…Mother Theresa apparently struggled with feelings of being out of the prescence of God–sometimes, even if you do feel cut off from God, you aren’t! That makes me think of Footsteps in the Sand…

Anyway, you asked me what I thought you should do and I’ll tell you: be kind to them, love them unreservedly and without exception. They will know us by our love, he said. Unleash the light of your love upon them and perhaps, if they can catch that glimpse of Christ in you, they will both end up the better for it.