There is not a problem at all with love between people of the same sex. i love my brothers and loved my Father dearly before he passed on.The sin is the homosexual behavior.No, because I see same-gender preference love between two people is not a sin. It is on the same level as different-gender preference love between two people. It is not a defining characteristic in qualifying them as a “good” or “not-good” person.
And what happens in the bedroom between two people of the same gender is no different than two people with different genders. “Homosexual behavior” is not “sinful” when you look at the entire person. They are no different than the rest of us and should be totally accepted into the fold of Catholicism as they are just as holy and sinful as everyone else.There is not a problem at all with love between people of the same sex. i love my brothers and loved my Father dearly before he passed on.The sin is the homosexual behavior.
Ha? You mean, a penis of the homosexual is also entering the vagina of another homosexual? If not, then there is no similarity in the bedroom between two homosexuals and two heterosexuals.And what happens in the bedroom between two people of the same gender is no different than two people with different genders.
Yes, the person is no different from the rest of us. We all have free will and dignity. The question is: Do homosexuals believe that they have free will as regards homosexual behavior? If they don’t, then may be they are the ones who do not believe that “they are no different than the rest of us.”“Homosexual behavior” is not “sinful” when you look at the entire person. They are no different than the rest of us and should be totally accepted into the fold of Catholicism as they are just as holy and sinful as everyone else.
The exact positions in the private of the bedroom do not matter. Their behavior is not sinful. It is a act of physical love and is not a defining factor of their overall character(s).Ha? You mean, a penis of the homosexual is also entering the vagina of another homosexual? If not, then there is no similarity in the bedroom between two homosexuals and two heterosexuals.
Yes, the person is no different from the rest of us. We all have free will and dignity. The question is: Do homosexuals believe that they have free will as regards homosexual behavior? If they don’t, then may be they are the ones who do not believe that “they are no different than the rest of us.”
Why not? Do behaviors not matter?The exact positions in the private of the bedroom do not matter.
How is that reconciled with the commandments?Their behavior is not sinful.
What factors are defining and are those factors the only basis for separation from our friendship with God?It is a act of physical love and is not a defining factor of their overall character(s).
Sin can never be used to express love.The exact positions in the private of the bedroom do not matter. Their behavior is not sinful. It is a act of physical love and is not a defining factor of their overall character(s).
If it is showing love behind closed doors in a physical, sexual way, then the privacy of the bedroom comes in. Like everyone else, what goes on in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.Why not? Do behaviors not matter?
How is that reconciled with the commandments?
What factors are defining and are those factors the only basis for separation from our friendship with God?
Well, I do not see it as a sin, so love is possible between people of the same-gender preference.Sin can never be used to express love.
So fornication is fine too? It’s in the privacy of a bedroom and between consenting adults.If it is showing love behind closed doors in a physical, sexual way, then the privacy of the bedroom comes in. Like everyone else, what goes on in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.
What would you define as “fornication” in this case and how does it differ from normal same-gender sexual relations?So fornication is fine too? It’s in the privacy of a bedroom and between consenting adults.
I used to think like you express here. I thought sin and the effects of sin were private. They aren’t. Sin affects everyone. There are repercussions for acts done in complete privacy.
So you have created your own church and your own theology. I guess it is impossble to sin when one makes up morality as they go alongWell, I do not see it as a sin, so love is possible between people of the same-gender preference.
I disagree, this is not an “infallible” teaching (ex cathadra) and under much discussion by many parts at all levels of the Church. To view what is seen as an act of human love towards one another is being used here as a way to divide and exclude.So you have created your own church and your own theology. I guess it is impossble to sin when one makes up morality as they go along
That homosexual activity is sinful is a doctrine and this simple truth was always preserved by the Church. Just because liberal christians try to go around the facts will not make the true Church of Christ change it as well. The argument that it’s not ex cathedra is ridiculous considering that the number of actual number of ex cathedra pronouncements.I disagree, this is not an “infallible” teaching (ex cathadra) and under much discussion by many parts at all levels of the Church. To view what is seen as an act of human love towards one another is being used here as a way to divide and exclude.
I would prefer to have it acceptable only in the bonds of marriage (at least civil marriage), but since that option is not available in many places at the present a few things need to happen to make that compromise a real world option.Let’s put an end to this folks. We should hate homosexual acts but no more and no less than we hate all sexual acts outside of marriage. And for that matter I hate the specific acts even when they are committed by a married couple in foreplay. I just can’t see how a specific act can be intrinsically evil in one case and be okay in another.
The Church could not be clearer on this than they have been. Becuase you find specualtion that some catholics want to change it doesnt mean anything. how can the Church possibly rule that sin is no lnger sin???I disagree, this is not an “infallible” teaching (ex cathadra) and under much discussion by many parts at all levels of the Church. To view what is seen as an act of human love towards one another is being used here as a way to divide and exclude.
I do agree with you on this goofyjim, as I hope is apparent in the other thread on “oral sex as foreplay.”Let’s put an end to this folks. We should hate homosexual acts but no more and no less than we hate all sexual acts outside of marriage. And for that matter I hate the specific acts even when they are committed by a married couple in foreplay. I just can’t see how a specific act can be intrinsically evil in one case and be okay in another.