Catholics only: Do you hate homosexual sex acts (as we are obliged to)?

[Blizzard_Wolf]

No, I do not.

I firmly believe that homosexual people and their relationships are just as healthy, valid, and respectable as heterosexual people. I do not hate anyone based on their orientation or what goes on in their bedroom.

(I know, I know. This is very contrary to the position of the Catholic Church. I’ve read CCC #2357-2359 many times, and the cooresponding Bible passages too. But I believe that the Church, though beautiful and righteous, is here mistaken.)

 

[Scottgun]

No, I do not.

I firmly believe that homosexual people and their relationships are just as healthy, valid, and respectable as heterosexual people. I do not hate anyone based on their orientation or what goes on in their bedroom.

(I know, I know. This is very contrary to the position of the Catholic Church. I’ve read CCC #2357-2359 many times, and the cooresponding Bible passages too. But I believe that the Church, though beautiful and righteous, is here mistaken.)

In other words, you are blowing smoke up our behinds. Beautiful, righteous and mistaken are simply incompatible. I have more respect for people who tell us we are the most evil thing ever to visit the earh.

 

[Scottgun]

No, I do not.

I firmly believe that homosexual people and their relationships are just as healthy, valid, and respectable as heterosexual people. I do not hate anyone based on their orientation or what goes on in their bedroom.

(I know, I know. This is very contrary to the position of the Catholic Church. I’ve read CCC #2357-2359 many times, and the cooresponding Bible passages too. But I believe that the Church, though beautiful and righteous, is here mistaken.)

Someone disagrees with the Church. What else is new? Frankly, if the Church is mistaken, then it ain’t beautiful and righteous. You will have to do better than that.

 

[catharina]

No, I do not.

I firmly believe that homosexual people and their relationships are just as healthy, valid, and respectable as heterosexual people. I do not hate anyone based on their orientation or what goes on in their bedroom.

(I know, I know. This is very contrary to the position of the Catholic Church. I’ve read CCC #2357-2359 many times, and the cooresponding Bible passages too. But I believe that the Church, though beautiful and righteous, is here mistaken.)

Yet I see in your profile that you’re not Catholic so your answer is really no great surprise.

 

[blessedtoo]

Yet I see in your profile that you’re not Catholic so your answer is really no great surprise.

And the OP asked for responses from Catholics only.

 

[blessedtoo]

Thank you for reminding us that SSA should be spoken with serial killers or prostitutes. Also I can tell you the medical profession claims you could not know “many who have overcome SSA” however you can know many who say such to alleviate the pain. But again you cannot know the pain they speak of.

What about my smoking analogy? Do you find that too offensive to use as a comparison? You seem to have alot of rules about how one can and can’t discuss certain sins. Is the behavior of smoking cigarettes disdainful? Do you hate the smoker as well or just his participation in this act?

 

[blessedtoo]

Your interpretation is interesting; In Roman’s 12 Paul is clearly speak to our internal guidance. Not only is Paul not speaking of his neighbor he writes “Let love be sincere; hate what is evil, hold on to what is good; love one another with mutual affection; anticipate one another in showing honor”. Additionally he shows no distinction for a homosexual nor a hate generated by God

Psalm 45 is a love song to the king it states the King hates wrongdoing , it is also clear the king does not include polygamy. However again it says nothing about homosexuals, or God harboring any hate.

In summary neither tells you to hate others or their actions. Romans repeats Christ teaching which is just the opposite in summary it says to love your neighbor “Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is noble in the sight of all. If possible, on your part, live at peace with all. Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Rather, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.” Do not be conquered by evil but conquer evil with good…

Nice spin. But you missed the point AGAIN.

Let’s just take your interpretation (fallible as it may be) and assume Paul is discussing “internal guidance”, whatever that is. How does that exclude the command to hate what is evil? Unless,of course, you believe evil is relative. Something either is or isn’t a sin, regardless of who commits it. Homosexual acts are sinful. If I am the one engaging in the the act, I hate the act. If someone else engages in the act, I STILL hate the act. BECAUSE IT’S THE ACTS WE ARE COMMANDED TO HATE, NOT THE PERSON.

“Repay evil for evil?” So do you assume that means we should not hate evil, but rather, what? Love it? What is meant here is that we should not DO evil to the person who is committing evil deeds. But, once again, the person and the act ARE NOT THE SAME. You can hate one, and love the other.

 

[blessedtoo]

Sad is the numbers who continue actual acts of mercy appealing to the deaf ears. If you could look with an unbiased look not only would you see what others saw, you would also see the questions are mostly ignored or presented with extremely poor answers, followed by YOUR OPINION of my (and others) thought which has been terribly inaccurate. The actual issue is why a blanket acceptance of bias is accepted against any or all SSA people? The posts simply reflect the bias.

And this post makes no sense. What on earth are you trying to say?

 

[blessedtoo]

Also I can tell you the medical profession claims you could not know “many who have overcome SSA” however you can know many who say such to alleviate the pain. But again you cannot know the pain they speak of.

Oh well, let’s all pack up and go home then since the medical community has spoken. Never mind that there is at least one real live human on this thread who can witness to this reality. Never mind the testimonies of many other members here on CAF as well as those members of Courage and Exodus. How incredibly arrogant that some heterosexuals, so indoctrinated with activist propaganda, would remain so biased against those who have overcome their SSA.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Should I say it’s the same (as deadly) for those who receive Holy Communion unworthily

I think the key is explaining how you may judge, that is more the issue with the bias

… As for who I’ve known, personally, I can’t speak to what the medical community might or might not say about them. We needn’t ever pretend that you and I know the same people.

But do these medical wonders of the world know any doctors? It is called reparative therapy (like reprobate) and has been denounced

Here just 2 of thousands, if not million references
psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html

The following is taken from the American Psychological Association statement on homosexuality which was released in July, 1994:

*The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals. Nor is homosexuality a matter of individual choice. Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture. Contrary to what some imply, the incidence of homosexuality in a population does not appear to change with new moral codes or social mores. Research findings suggest that **efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than social prejudice **garbed in psychological accouterments. *infox.lcna.org/PDF/The%20Nature%20of%20Sexual%20Orientation.pdf

 

[Texas_Roofer]

No, I do not.

I firmly believe that homosexual people and their relationships are just as healthy, valid, and respectable as heterosexual people. I do not hate anyone based on their orientation or what goes on in their bedroom.

(I know, I know. This is very contrary to the position of the Catholic Church. I’ve read CCC #2357-2359 many times, and the cooresponding Bible passages too. But I believe that the Church, though beautiful and righteous, is here mistaken.)

The only ground is whether “relationships” violates celibacy. The church does teach -homosexual people are just as healthy, valid, and respectable as heterosexual people-

 

[Texas_Roofer]

[catharina]Yet I see in your profile that you’re not Catholic so your answer is really no great surprise. …[blessedtoo]And the OP asked for responses from Catholics only.

A non binding request which does not forbid posting

What about my smoking analogy? Do you find that too offensive to use as a comparison? You seem to have alot of rules about how one can and can’t discuss certain sins. Is the behavior of smoking cigarettes disdainful? Do you hate the smoker as well or just his participation in this act?

Why do you need a disparaging remark? Why can you not post the church document that address Hate particularly the Church commandment to Hate. The only post shown so far are not Church commandments and must be taken completely out of context. Those of us without bias cannot accept such an extreme interpretation. The Church has written a bunch on the subject yet the church does not use the word Hate, is that not the real problem?

… whatever that is. … If I am the one engaging in the act, I hate the act. If someone else engages in the act, I STILL hate the act. …

If you were engaged in the act rational people would understand your emotion. If you were not engaged in the action you would have no just reason to Hate.

And this post makes no sense. What on earth are you trying to say?

If you are consumed with a bias there may be no way at this time to explain it to you

Oh well, let’s all pack up and go home then since the medical community has spoken. Never mind that there is at least one real live human on this thread who can witness to this reality. Never mind the testimonies of many other members here on CAF as well as those members of Courage and Exodus. How incredibly arrogant that some heterosexuals, so indoctrinated with activist propaganda, would remain so **biased ** against those who have overcome their SSA.

Please read the above post concerning this issue, or the massive volumes written on the subject. If you would like to shorten the research use the term “reparative therapy” inside medical journals

 

[estesbob]

No, I do not.

I firmly believe that homosexual people and their relationships are just as healthy, valid, and respectable as heterosexual people. I do not hate anyone based on their orientation or what goes on in their bedroom.

(I know, I know. This is very contrary to the position of the Catholic Church. I’ve read CCC #2357-2359 many times, and the cooresponding Bible passages too. But I believe that the Church, though beautiful and righteous, is here mistaken.)

Then how do we know they are not mistaken about the ressurection? The Divinity of Christ? Could you give us a lst of all the things they are mistaken about? it really would make life a lot easier.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

The following is taken from the American Psychological Association statement on homosexuality which was released in July, 1994:

*The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals. Nor is homosexuality a matter of individual choice. Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture. Contrary to what some imply, the incidence of homosexuality in a population does not appear to change with new moral codes or social mores. Research findings suggest that **efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than social prejudice ***garbed in psychological accouterments. infox.lcna.org/PDF/The%20Nature%20of%20Sexual%20Orientation.pdf

These are the same ding-dongs that caved in to pressure to remove homosexuality as a disorder from their books.
In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

 

[estesbob]

A non binding request which does not forbid posting

Why do you need a disparaging remark? Why can you not post the church document that address Hate particularly the Church commandment to Hate.
If you were engaged in the act rational people would understand your emotion. If you were not engaged in the action you would have no just reason to Hate.

POST-SYNODAL
APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION
RECONCILIATION AND PENANCE
OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS
CLERGY AND FAITHFUL
ON RECONCILIATION AND PENANCE
IN THE MISSION OF THE CHURCH TODAY

In order that in the not too distant future abundant fruits may come from it, I invite you all to join me in turning to Christ’s heart, the eloquent sign of the divine mercy, the “propitiation for our sins,” “our peace and reconciliation,”(204) that we may draw from it an interior encouragement to hate sin and to be converted to God, and find in it the divine kindness which lovingly responds to human repentance.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_02121984_reconciliatio-et-paenitentia_en.html

***ADDRESS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II ***
TO CATHOLIC ACTION CHILDREN
Saturday, 21 December 1996

The beautiful Christmas carol Tu scendi dalle stelle says: “Oh, how much it cost you to have loved me!”. The Son of God loved us, who offended him; we too must love those who offend us, and thus conquer evil with good.** To hate sin but to love the sinner**: this is the way to peace, the way that the Lord teaches us from the mystery of his birth

SAECULO EXEUNTE OCTAVO
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII
ON THE EIGHTH CENTENARY OF THE INDEPENDENCE OF PORTUGAL
TO THE VENERABLE BROTHER, THE PATRIARCH OF LISBON,
THE ARCHBISHOPS, BISHIOPS AND OTHER ORDINARIES OF
PORTUGAL AND ITS OVERSEAS POSSESSIONS,
IN PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE APOSTOLIC SEE

1. Indeed the herald of evangelical truth must of necessity be a 12man of God not only because he has been divinely called, but also because he has vowed himself to Him fully and perpetually. “Truly” - as our predecessor Benedict XV teaches in the admirable apostolic letter Maximum illud - “he must be a man of God, who preaches God; he must hate sin, who commands to hate sin. More progress will be made in preaching the faith by example than by words, especially among infidels who are led by the senses rather than by reason.”[10]

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_13061940_saeculo-exeunte-octavo_en.html

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I can give you 2,296 more examples from Vatican Documentsd if you wish.

 

[estesbob]

These are the same ding-dongs that caved in to pressure to remove homosexuality as a disorder from their books.In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

They took this action as the result of a pluraltiy vote of portion of members attending a convention.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

They took this action as the result of a pluraltiy vote of portion of members attending a convention.

And “why” was this even brought to vote

 

[catharina]

POST-SYNODAL
APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION
RECONCILIATION AND PENANCE
OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS
CLERGY AND FAITHFUL
ON RECONCILIATION AND PENANCE
IN THE MISSION OF THE CHURCH TODAY

In order that in the not too distant future abundant fruits may come from it, I invite you all to join me in turning to Christ’s heart, the eloquent sign of the divine mercy, the “propitiation for our sins,” “our peace and reconciliation,”(204) that we may draw from it an interior encouragement to hate sin and to be converted to God, and find in it the divine kindness which lovingly responds to human repentance.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_02121984_reconciliatio-et-paenitentia_en.html

***ADDRESS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II ***
TO CATHOLIC ACTION CHILDREN
Saturday, 21 December 1996

The beautiful Christmas carol Tu scendi dalle stelle says: “Oh, how much it cost you to have loved me!”. The Son of God loved us, who offended him; we too must love those who offend us, and thus conquer evil with good.** To hate sin but to love the sinner**: this is the way to peace, the way that the Lord teaches us from the mystery of his birth

SAECULO EXEUNTE OCTAVO
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII
ON THE EIGHTH CENTENARY OF THE INDEPENDENCE OF PORTUGAL
TO THE VENERABLE BROTHER, THE PATRIARCH OF LISBON,
THE ARCHBISHOPS, BISHIOPS AND OTHER ORDINARIES OF
PORTUGAL AND ITS OVERSEAS POSSESSIONS,
IN PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE APOSTOLIC SEE

1. Indeed the herald of evangelical truth must of necessity be a 12man of God not only because he has been divinely called, but also because he has vowed himself to Him fully and perpetually. “Truly” - as our predecessor Benedict XV teaches in the admirable apostolic letter Maximum illud - “he must be a man of God, who preaches God; he must hate sin, who commands to hate sin. More progress will be made in preaching the faith by example than by words, especially among infidels who are led by the senses rather than by reason.”[10]

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_13061940_saeculo-exeunte-octavo_en.html

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I can give you 2,296 more examples from Vatican Documentsd if you wish.

estesbob, thank you for this beautiful treasure from JP II.

 

[estesbob]

estesbob, thank you for this beautiful treasure from JP II.

Your welcome. You can a wealth of Church documents at www.vatican.va.

 

[agangbern]

Those who label/call themselves homosexuals should be thankful that this thread is interested in homosexual acts. For in the bible, there is actually no creature that God called homosexual, and neither is there one He called heterosexual. God created only male and female. Take out the word “sex” from the word “homosexual”, would the word “homosexual” exist? Absolutely no. When one speaks of “homosexual”, it is always accompanied with sex. That is a hard but blunt truth.