Catholics play vital role in helping migrants to U.S

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I have a few of thoughts here…
  1. I can understand and support the Church’s duty to help those who are in need.
  2. Shouldn’t the Priest also be trying to convince these people not to break the law and not to commit fraud/theft by taking US public services while not paying taxes?
  3. If the trip across the border is dangerous, then shouldn’t the Priest advise people against it?
It seems like this operation is only providing partial care to migrants. There is more that should be available for this to fully serve them by the Church’s teachings.
 
Will Catholics continue the BLASPHEMY against GOD by endorsing the theft against the People of the United States???Insisting that the people of the United States bear the burden of a Mexican government that will NOT support its own people.A goverment that recieves its visitors from its own southern borders with machine guns. This Priest and others like Him will definetely do time in purgatory for the crimes they are committing against the United States. These misdireected people think nothing of their crimes because they are not paying the price for their so called benevolent acts.Being benevolent with other peoples money is THEFT and should recieve the WRATH of the American people . It will be a good thing to see the wrogly imprisoned Border Guards set free and the real criminals such as this Priest and other like minded peole imprisoned and their cities Federal Funding dropped.Let’s see how far these ministers of hell can go when they have to do it with thier own assets.

Oh for the love of Heaven:rolleyes: Sorry but God doesn’t condemn anyone for going against the United States. Hell, abortion is legal here. That’s a crime against God in and of it’s self.

Futhermore, I suppose you (and a few other people here) do not recall the Fugitive Slave Act in the 1800s. To me it’s quite a throwback from that period, Slaves were also not citizens, illegally trying to flee from the South into the North and eventually Canada, sound familar? The situation in Mexico is not much better then the South in the 1800s. Many of these illegals support families on the minimun wage they earn here.

So many of you are against illegal immigration on the basis because your tax-payers and it hurts you. But boy, I’m sure most of you know where your next meal is coming from.
 
So many of you are against illegal immigration on the basis because your tax-payers and it hurts you. But boy, I’m sure most of you know where your next meal is coming from.
Poverty is certainly a problem for these people and I do think we should find ways to help them. That does not mean that illegal immigration is a good way.

Honestly, is it fair to demonize people the way you do here? Is it Christian charity? I do not think it is. Just because one does not support illegal immigration, which does cause some real problems, does not mean that they do not care about the poverty problem which illegals face.

It is better, I think, to try to look for good solutions. Making legal immigration easier would be one. But there is also the question of how we might help the situation of people in these impoverished nations.
 
Honestly, is it fair to demonize people the way you do here? Is it Christian charity? I do not think it is. Just because one does not support illegal immigration, which does cause some real problems, does not mean that they do not care about the poverty problem which illegals face.
Whining about how easy it is to get into this country and claiming it is so easy to get citizenship does not sound as though one cares about the poverty troubles of others.
 
Whining about how easy it is to get into this country and claiming it is so easy to get citizenship does not sound as though one cares about the poverty troubles of others.
I certainly said nothing of the sort. In fact, if you see above, I actually said that we should make it easier for people to come here.

So perhaps you paint with too broad a brush?

It is really far too difficult to immigrate here legally and the quotas are far too low. I definitely agree. At the same time, I think that illegal immigration is not the way the problem should be dealt with. And certainly there are better solutions.

There’s another problem with illegal immigration - the way that illegals are treated in some of the jobs they do here. They work in horrible, unsafe conditions in some cases. If they were here legally, then they could be safeguarded from such abuse and paid a more reasonable wage.

What do you think about making legal immigration much easier and allowing more people in, for instance? Also, what about helping the economic growth of these impoverished nations?
 
I certainly said nothing of the sort. In fact, if you see above, I actually said that we should make it easier for people to come here.

So perhaps you paint with too broad a brush?
And prehaps I was not and did not intend to be refering to you
It is really far too difficult to immigrate here legally and the quotas are far too low. I definitely agree. At the same time, I think that illegal immigration is not the way the problem should be dealt with. And certainly there are better solutions.
And I agree, however it is in the mind of most illegals the only option they have.
There’s another problem with illegal immigration - the way that illegals are treated in some of the jobs they do here. They work in horrible, unsafe conditions in some cases. If they were here legally, then they could be safeguarded from such abuse and paid a more reasonable wage.
True, but that does not help those who are here now and are afried of being deported.
What do you think about making legal immigration much easier and allowing more people in, for instance? Also, what about helping the economic growth of these impoverished nations?
I agree with both, and it would certainly be a much better way to spend the money of this country. But right now that’s not being done.
 
And prehaps I was not and did not intend to be refering to you
Yes, I see that 🙂
And I agree, however it is in the mind of most illegals the only option they have.
Yes, I think that is how they view it. Without knowing more, I don’t know if they are correct or not. It is tragic that the corrupt governments in their homelands leave them in such a state.
True, but that does not help those who are here now and are afried of being deported.
Yes, that is so. If they are here and working, then they are filling a space in our economy. It’s not like the ones who work are just freeloading. I think that we should mainly be concerned with deporting the criminals who come over. And at the least, we should not be splitting up families like the deportations sometimes do.
I agree with both, and it would certainly be a much better way to spend the money of this country. But right now that’s not being done.
Quite true. I think that the current immigration debate is so polarized that it is drowning out good ideas. Really, I wish that I had a good answer to this part. The only one I can think of is “Congress is full of idiots” 😉
 
Ive been reading alot of the posts on here, and I have something to say…As most Catholics and other Christians, are conservatives, some of us may feel a pull towards the base of the republican party which is decidely against illegal immigration. But when I stop looking at it from an American perspective and start looking at it at a human/Christian perspective, I see something else entirely. I hear people say…“well if they just came here legally, then it wouldnt be a problem”…well, it costs money to get into this country, something these people dont have. when you see videos of people running across the border, all I see is the clothes on their backs and maybe a suitcase or two. These people have nothing, have had nothing, and are trying to make a life for themselves and their families. Just because it is illegal doesnt make it right, and just because abortion is legal doesnt make it right. Unless you are prepared to throw away all your belongings and live the life they have lived in poverty dont tell them they are doing something wrong. People here in the U.S. may not like illegal immigration, but for the people coming over, it is survival, and their lives depend on it, so I am not going to pass judgment on their actions, because I havent gone through what they have gone through, and I have never been forced to leave my country because I literally had to, to survive. So I am in no place to condemn them.
 
In a way it is not just something nice to do, but it is our duty to accept as many immigrants as we can from Mexico. NAFTA and other agreements have had good intentions, but we haven’t kept up our part. By refusing to eliminate subsidies we have created a market in which many Mexicans could not possibly compete against. Both the Mexican and U.S government are responsible, and we have the means to rectify this problem. So if it one must break a law or two to help a migrant, then so be it.
I find this to be faulty thinking. NAFTA was a trade agreement, not an immigration agreement, so I find that citing NAFTA as the basis for anything to be irrelevant, at least without further proof of how trade agreements have failed or how their failure has any bearing on immigration.

Illegal Immigration is a difficult issue. There are many factors to consider, and not all of those factors have been raised for discussion in this thread. US Immigration laws are generous, much more generous than many other countries (including Mexico which is VERY STRINGENT) but the US laws are not infinitely generous.

My thinking is that US citizens are bound by US laws. Even if such citizens are priests or otherwise religious, it doesn’t change their obligation to observe US law. They live here. There should be no exemption for ignoring the law. Everyone is bound to follow the law.

But on the other hand, the law has not been evenly enforced, so no one should be penalized for any previous lack of enforcement. I say that not to give anyone a free pass, at least not from now on, but to remark on the cost effectiveness of enforcement. If the government wasn’t enforcing the law, then they have little right to expect private citizens to do a better job.

It is a tragedy that the country of Mexico has apparently developed a policy of exporting their lower classes (those at the bottom end of the financial and education scale, not the intelligence scale!) to the US. In the end, it will be Mexico’s loss.

Something needs to be said here. I have many many friends who originally came from Mexico and they have told me their stories. In Mexico, if you are born poor, you have nothing, you receive nothing. You may own the land where your home is, but that may be all. As someone poor in Mexico, you are entitled to nothing. There is no public education. There are no public services. The “safety net” that exists here in the US for the poor does not exist in Mexico. It is really no wonder that so many risk so much to come here.

But then, there are a few “dirty little secrets” about US immigration that get little if any notice ~
  1. US immigration laws are set up to give preference to, among other factors, those persons who have special educational qualifications that we need in the US. This tends to exclude those persons who are not well educated. In other words, poorly educated and low-skilled workers from other countries WILL WAIT FOREVER to come to this country legally. This is why so many attempt illegal immigration.
And while it may be apparent it is also true that no politician will ever say that they will restrict legal immigration to those that “qualify”. The folks that have come here illegally never could qualify and never will. They lack the skills on the “immigrant” list. I’m not saying this to be mean, I’m reporting fact.
 
Oh for the love of Heaven:rolleyes: Sorry but God doesn’t condemn anyone for going against the United States. Hell, abortion is legal here. That’s a crime against God in and of it’s self.

Futhermore, I suppose you (and a few other people here) do not recall the Fugitive Slave Act in the 1800s. To me it’s quite a throwback from that period, Slaves were also not citizens, illegally trying to flee from the South into the North and eventually Canada, sound familar? The situation in Mexico is not much better then the South in the 1800s. Many of these illegals support families on the minimun wage they earn here.

So many of you are against illegal immigration on the basis because your tax-payers and it hurts you. But boy, I’m sure most of you know where your next meal is coming from.
I think there is a huge difference between slavery and illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants aren’t treated as property in Mexico and trying to get to freedom here in the U.S. But I do wonder if companies who employ them aren’t exploiting them by refusing to pay them minimum wage.
 
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…well, it costs money to get into this country, something these people dont have.
It actually cost them more to come illegally than legally. Coming illegally, they pay huge sums of money to the smugglers, and to those who are able to exploit them, because they are illegal.

To come legally, all they have to pay for is the application form. Once here, they’re protected under US laws and are less likely to be exploited by thugs.

Jim
 
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It actually cost them more to come illegally than legally. Coming illegally, they pay huge sums of money to the smugglers, and to those who are able to exploit them, because they are illegal.

To come legally, all they have to pay for is the application form. Once here, they’re protected under US laws and are less likely to be exploited by thugs.

Jim
This has very little to do with money. You cannot come to the US legally to earn a living just by paying for and filling in an application form.

The rules are such that, if you don’t already have relatives or a spouse who are citizens/legal residents (in which case you’re not likely to be starving) or if you don’t fit into a very narrow category of careers, you have virtually no chance to immigrate and work legally, regardless of how much money you have.

It may do us all well to research the immigration laws, the trade treaties (like NAFTA) and other related issues, rather than just stick to unfounded opinions.

For e.g. just because illegals may not pay taxes doesn’t mean they don’t contribute substantially to this country’s economy. It’s time to remove the blinders and seek the real truth. Surely, God requires we do that much for our neighbors and Christian brethren.
 
Will Catholics continue the BLASPHEMY against GOD by endorsing the theft against the People of the United States???Insisting that the people of the United States bear the burden of a Mexican government that will NOT support its own people.A goverment that recieves its visitors from its own southern borders with machine guns. This Priest and others like Him will definetely do time in purgatory for the crimes they are committing against the United States. These misdireected people think nothing of their crimes because they are not paying the price for their so called benevolent acts.Being benevolent with other peoples money is THEFT and should recieve the WRATH of the American people . It will be a good thing to see the wrogly imprisoned Border Guards set free and the real criminals such as this Priest and other like minded peole imprisoned and their cities Federal Funding dropped.Let’s see how far these ministers of hell can go when they have to do it with thier own assets.

Well I’m glad we don’t have to get hateful and extremist about it 😊

Never mind the politics here. I just can’t believe the things your saying. Ministers of Hell? Good Grief! I’m glad you know who will spend time in purgatory and who won’t! I’m glad you can read their hearts and their motives, I’m glad you feel you have the authority to condemn Priests for doing what they think is right (whether or not you or I agree with it).

Last time I checked, wrath and hatred are weightier matters than misguided acts of mercy (assuming they were misguided).

Remember, whether we agree with these Priests or not, whether we agree with our Bishops in everything or not, or even if we disagree with some non-binding aspect of the Holy Father’s teachings, these men are our authorities, and as such we MUST give them due respect.

Age, I think, will moderate your tone. 😉
 
I have a dumb question. What has happened to all the jobs in Mexico that were created by all of our American industries moving down there, so they could avoid paying decent wages? We are getting it from both directions. Our good paying jobs are leaving this country, and the illegals are taking a lot of our good paying jobs here, because they will work for less, especially in construction. It’s a lose lose situation.
 
I have a dumb question. What has happened to all the jobs in Mexico that were created by all of our American industries moving down there, so they could avoid paying decent wages? We are getting it from both directions. Our good paying jobs are leaving this country, and the illegals are taking a lot of our good paying jobs here, because they will work for less, especially in construction. It’s a lose lose situation.
Those jobs just went on vacation to Mexico. They soon moved onto SE Asia and China due to the ever lower wages.
 
You do have to ask what the consequences are of this law being broken. For instance, one of the reasons immigration is controlled is because we do not want foreign criminals entering the country. That is just one reason.

Immigration laws did not come into existence out of some dislike of immigrants. They have reason behind them.
If I caught wind of my Parish violating the law I would notify the Authorities in a heart beat. Smuggling & ID theft and countless other law violations are not to be supported. A Criminal is a Criminal. You can not justify or whitewash the crime. :cool:
 
If I caught wind of my Parish violating the law I would notify the Authorities in a heart beat. Smuggling & ID theft and countless other law violations are not to be supported. A Criminal is a Criminal. You can not justify or whitewash the crime. :cool:
Are you calling the people who are coming over because they commited crimes in their native country criminals, or are you calling the regular people who are coming over criminals?
 
Are you calling the people who are coming over because they commited crimes in their native country criminals, or are you calling the regular people who are coming over criminals?
I belive she is calling the people of the Parish who are helping the illegals criminals.
 
I belive she is calling the people of the Parish who are helping the illegals criminals.
I have an issue with that then, because If someone in that parish is giving shelter to the homeless, clothing the naked, and feeding the hungry how can they be doing something immoral. Im not one of those amnesty advocates, but if an illegal immigrant came to my home, I would certainly give that person some clothes, food etc. These people are God’s children also, they are no less than anyone else, and they deserve basic human dignity.
 
I have an issue with that then, because If someone in that parish is giving shelter to the homeless, clothing the naked, and feeding the hungry how can they be doing something immoral. Im not one of those amnesty advocates, but if an illegal immigrant came to my home, I would certainly give that person some clothes, food etc. These people are God’s children also, they are no less than anyone else, and they deserve basic human dignity.
Well I am an amnesty advocate, but I agree with you.

I may be wrong about Godi’s post though, that’s just what it sounded like to me.
 
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