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Snow
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Blah, blah, blah.
Do you ever back up your assertions? How about proving that we/I discount fact as opinion.
Shall I wait?
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Do you ever back up your assertions? How about proving that we/I discount fact as opinion.
Shall I wait?
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Stephen168
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So, two of the ten tribes of Israel were not Jewish because they were carried away by the Assyrians 125 years before they landed in the Americas. Did the migrating party mix with the American Indians?
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RebeccaJ
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Ah yes, “it’s true because I feel it is”, so let’s twist history to line up with my feelings.
I remember that one.
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RebeccaJ
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Multiple thread in multiple forums…do a search…I ain’t your personal wikipedia.
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RebeccaJ
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See your own posts.
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MelanieAnne
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God is so wondrous in His works. We merely need to be attentive. THANKS be to GOD!
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RebeccaJ
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Yes, my heart is glad also.
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paul_c
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You are right to be confused by it. The sanction against adultery was not man’s law. It was written by the Hand of God as part of the ten commandments. Therefore, you have to believe that God would have changed the law he gave earlier just for the benefit of Joseph Smith. This seems impossible.
You seem to be missing the issue. If a plural marriage is ordained by God, then according to God’s law, sex within the plural marriage wouldn’t be adultery.
The issue is not whether God changed his law about adultery but whether plural marriage must be a sin or may be ordained by God. Since God caused David’s polygamy by giving him plural wives, can we not assume that God may approve of at least some plural marraige? .
The distinction was that a man could have multiple wives without being an adulterer but could not marry a women who already had a husband… by this definition, Abraham was not an adulterer, just a polygamist.
okay, here is the whole sequence from Matthew 15: 13-20:
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When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
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They replied, “Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
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He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
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Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
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Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
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And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
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I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
20 Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah.
Tell me Snow, how can you say this is not Jesus giving the keys to heaven to Peter? You know that Peter means rock, right?
There are some pretty good examples of these proofs in the philosphy section of this website.
Okay, but you do admit he is your game changer and therefore, would be expected to be more special than one of our 200+ popes.
I would agree that we have doctrines not found in the bible. But they are of apostolic origin, translated through oral tradition.
As for the Mormons. I think some of what you call different bible interpretations are actually changes in doctrine. For instance, marriage in heaven, which we have talked about, is a tenet of Mormonism but was denied by Jesus in his answer to the Sadduccess (which we also discussed). This to me is a doctrinal change.
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seekdatruth
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Haven’t had time to completely catch up, but earlier I was going on about the way things are here between Catholics and the Mormons, and then went and opened the Bible. First thing I saw was: Acts 14:22"There they [Paul and Barnabas] strengthened the souls of the disciples and encouraged them to continue in the faith, saying, “It is through many persecutions that we must enter the Kingdom of God.”
Wow, I really needed that!
Just wanted to share in case anyone is going through a similar trial! Spread The Word!
Wow, I really needed that!
Just wanted to share in case anyone is going through a similar trial! Spread The Word!
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seekdatruth
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Me three!!!Yes, my heart is glad also.
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Ferde_Rombola
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The Lord did not only give the keys to Peter, He also told him, three times, to feed His sheep. Feeding the sheep is one of the primary duties of the shepherd. Jesus is the Good Shepherd. By telling Peter to feed His sheep, the Lord was telling him to assume His duties, which is why the Pope is called ‘the Vicar of Christ.’
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rinnie
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No offense but that is what I think I would need is a ward if I turned my back on the RCC. But that’s okay they will be back. They always come home to the RCC.
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k0nod541
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The comment previously made about The Book of Mormon being “…clearly an invention of Joseph Smith” interests me. There is a great deal of historical material about Joseph Smith and the coming forth of The Book of Mormon. Although there have been many attempts to explain the volume away, none of them hold any water when examined with scholarly integrity. There is a great wealth of Christian thought and spirituality within the pages of the book. Whether or not a person desires to believe in the claims of Joseph Smith about his revelation from God, a reading and appreciation of the volume he brought forth is well worth the effort.
Stephen168
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Can you help explain what Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is?
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k0nod541
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Thank you for your reply. I believe my statement will be in line with most LDS Christians. The Book of Mormon is another testimony of Jesus Christ, presented in a history of a group of people who removed from Jerusalem and settled somewhere in the Americas at about 600 BC. Within the volume, the appearance of Jesus Christ to this group is documented. As Christ taught his gospel to those in the “Old world”, so he taught it to those in the “New world.”
LDS Christians believe that The Book of Mormon contains “The fullness of the Gospel”, in that the teachings of Jesus Christ necessary for salvation are presented. The book does not take the place of The Holy Bible, but is considered to be an inspired companion to it.
There has been a great deal of scholarly research dealing with the structure and authenticity of The Book of Mormon. The book is replete with examples of the poetry and literary usage of the ancient civilizations spoken of within. Joseph Smith testified that the book was delivered to him by an angel of God, and that he was given the necessary tools and inspiration to translate from the ancient metal plates which contained it.
In my case, and in the lives of millions of others, The Book of Mormon has been a means of helping me live a life closer to Jesus Christ, and to better understand His will for His children.
Thank you again for your response. I would be pleased to discuss The Book of Mormon or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints further with anyone who is interested.
LDS Christians believe that The Book of Mormon contains “The fullness of the Gospel”, in that the teachings of Jesus Christ necessary for salvation are presented. The book does not take the place of The Holy Bible, but is considered to be an inspired companion to it.
There has been a great deal of scholarly research dealing with the structure and authenticity of The Book of Mormon. The book is replete with examples of the poetry and literary usage of the ancient civilizations spoken of within. Joseph Smith testified that the book was delivered to him by an angel of God, and that he was given the necessary tools and inspiration to translate from the ancient metal plates which contained it.
In my case, and in the lives of millions of others, The Book of Mormon has been a means of helping me live a life closer to Jesus Christ, and to better understand His will for His children.
Thank you again for your response. I would be pleased to discuss The Book of Mormon or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints further with anyone who is interested.
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rinnie
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Thank you for you kind response, now in all due respect does anything in the book of mormon at all in any way disagree or lets say clash with the teaching’s of the Bible itself?
Stephen168
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Was this group of people Jewish and did they mix with the American Indians? Or were there any Indians here to mix with?
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k0nod541
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Thank you for the question. It is an interesting question, in that there are often as many interpretations of parts of the Bible as there are versions of the Bible itself! Personally, I have tried to study as many translations of the Bible as possible. I would be hard pressed to think of any truly monumental disagreements between the two volumes we are discussing. That is, after two people were to have the ability to discuss a particular issue.
Having said that, there are those who would take bible passages to attempt to dismiss The Book of Mormon. I think there is plenty of room for discussion, and many of the subjects might be more related to the person’s particular denominational frame of reference than to the Bible itself.
The Book of Mormon itself states that its purpose is “… the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations.” Latter-day Saints don’t use scripture as the sole source of God’s instructions to mankind. They feel the same way about the Bible.
Sometimes I feel like some folks are prone to worship a book more than their God. I find that particularly common among protestant evangelicals. But that is another discussion! I fear that I may have gone off on a tangent. Please let me know if I have adequately addressed your question.
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k0nod541
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There is increasing evidence that there were indigenous peoples in the Americas from a very early time. Quoting Jeff Lindsay, a prominent LDS apologist, “These groups [Book of Mormon peoples] seem to have gained strength and numbers by incorporating (possibly conquering?) other diverse peoples in the area…” He then makes reference to an excellent study you can find at: farms.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=1&num=1&id=3
Lehi, the foremost patriarch in the Book of Mormon narrative, apparently descended from the tribe of Joseph through Manasseh. Therefore, Lehi was not Jewish. Lehi’s sons married into a family of the tribe of Ephraim. There was a good deal of intermarriage in early mid-eastern society. There were several migrations to the Americas discussed in The Book of Mormon. It would be difficult to say that all Book of Mormon people were of one particular lineage.
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