Catholics, Protestants, and Mormons

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Snowy said:
You get the first price, k0nod541, for dodging questions while pretending that you’re answering them, which is the only thing that you and your brothers have been able to do here so far.

How many different versions of “you will know false prophets by their acts” do you need to study scientifically and ponder synoptically before you realize that Mr. Smith’s main purpose in life was screwing his neighbor’s wives and teenage daughters? Do you need to hear it in Reformed Egyptian?
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It would seem that the same rationale could be applied to Islam, another religion from an Angel whose “prophet” had a lot of the same character flaws as Joseph Smith. I wonder if there is a relationship between the two? Maybe JS’s plagiarism wasn’t only of the Bible?
 
MelanieAnne said:
It would seem that the same rationale could be applied to Islam, another religion from an Angel whose “prophet” had a lot of the same character flaws as Joseph Smith. I wonder if there is a relationship between the two? Maybe JS’s plagiarism wasn’t only of the Bible?
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Or it was the same dark angel.

Or it is as familiar as many startup cults whose charismatic leaders go for everything they can get out of their followers.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Or it was the same dark angel.

Or it is as familiar as many startup cults whose charismatic leaders go for everything they can get out of their followers.
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Scary! I wonder is this the religion that takes over the world led by the “anti-Christ” etc, etc. in Revelations. Button down the hatches, Folks! It’s time! lol jk, I know we’ll not see it coming, I’ve read that part too.
 
Mormons are known for being honest, hard working and reliable folks; it must be God’s sense of the absurd that they have as their prophet a philandering crook who never did a day’s worth of honest work in his entire adult life.

We’re not talking about a man who heard the Gospel, in whatever version, and followed Jesus by selling all of his property to give it to the poor, and lived the rest of his life caring for the poor and the sick (like your standard, run of the mill saint) and who might have come to an understanding of God that differed from the norm; we’re talking about Mr. Joseph Smith Jr., whose life and works are well known to all.
 
Snowy said:
Mormons are known for being honest, hard working and reliable folks; it must be God’s sense of the absurd that they have as their prophet a philandering crook who never did a day’s worth of honest work in his entire adult life.

We’re not talking about a man who heard the Gospel, in whatever version, and followed Jesus by selling all of his property to give it to the poor, and lived the rest of his life caring for the poor and the sick (like your standard, run of the mill saint) and who might have come to an understanding of God that differed from the norm; we’re talking about Mr. Joseph Smith Jr., whose life and works are well known to all.
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Name calling is the first, middle and last resort of those who who lack the ability to engage in honest, factual debate.
 
Another random, yet interesting thought:

On the “Book of Abraham” in Pearl of Great Price:

“Joseph Smith purchased some Egyptian mummies along with some old-looking papyrus scrolls from a traveling show in 1835. He then began translating the scrolls by the ‘gift and power of God,’ and he claimed they were none other than documents written by Abraham himself over 4000 years ago. No one knew how to translate the ancient Egyptian language at the time, so no one could test Smith’s abilities. Eventually the original scrolls were lost.”

“In 1967 some of the original papyrus pieces used by Smith to ‘translate’ the Book of Abraham surfaced in a New York City museum. In what what must have been heartbreaking discovery to many Mormons at the time, modern Egyptologists made a translation that showed the documents had nothing whatsoever to do with the biblical patriarch Abraham. Rather, as Bruce and Stan point out, the scrolls turned out to be the ordinary Egyptian funeral documents that you would expect to find with mummies.”

–*World Religions & Cults 101 *by Bruce Bickel and Stan Jantz​
 
Snow said:
Name calling is the first, middle and last resort of those who who lack the ability to engage in honest, factual debate.
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Good luck finding a Christian with the patience to engage a Mormon in a debate as to whether screwing your neighbor’s wife is philandering or prophetic endowment, printing funny money is crookery or helping others free themselves of their material attachments, and charging money to find hidden treasures with “seerstones” is shamelessness or hard honest work.
 
Snowy said:
Good luck finding a Christian with the patience to engage a Mormon in a debate as to whether screwing your neighbor’s wife is philandering or prophetic endowment, printing funny money is crookery or helping others free themselves of their material attachments, and charging money to find hidden treasures with “seerstones” is shamelessness or hard honest work.
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Wow!!! You would think that even other Catholics would be appalled at these comments. I feel bad for the Catholic church to have you as a member.
 
wademann said:
Wow!!! You would think that even other Catholics would be appalled at these comments. I feel bad for the Catholic church to have you as a member.
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I don’t and I don’t think the Church does, either. Perhaps you misinterpreted his remarks. He means debate with Mormons over the subjects he listed is a road to nowhere. Why would any Christian want to embark on a road to nowhere?
 
Ferde_Rombola said:
I don’t and I don’t think the Church does, either. Perhaps you misinterpreted his remarks. He means debate with Mormons over the subjects he listed is a road to nowhere. Why would any Christian want to embark on a road to nowhere?
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No, what he meant is that he is angry and insecure and wants to feel better by denigrating and calling names.
 
Snow said:
No, what he meant is that he is angry and insecure and wants to feel better by denigrating and calling names.
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That’s similar pejorative, isn’t it? Can you offer a proof of your accusation? I read it quite a bit differently than you did.
 
Snow said:
No, what he meant is that he is angry and insecure and wants to feel better by denigrating and calling names.
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Maybe he presented the facts a bit bluntly, but does that make it any less true?
Insecure? Well, I guess one could say I’m insecure too, I live in a town where LDS people are in control, and I see a lot of abuses of power. There’s actually a sort of word-of-mouth blacklist here of businesses not owned by LDS. I realized this the first time I looked at the back of our bulletin and noticed that several of the businesses on there are ones that LDS people had told me to avoid without specific reason when I first got here. Turns out they are the businesses owned by Catholics and Protestants.
So yeah, I feel a bit insecure. I was almost tempted to join their church in order to avoid the shunning and persecution, but realized what my children would be a part of and what kind of un-Christian behavior they would be taught, so I RAN back to the CC. On the way I realized just how much it has been the right decision for myself and my kids. I feel like God led me back to the right place because he knew I was ready to stop wandering around lost and come home.
God is good!
 
Snow said:
No, what he meant is that he is angry and insecure and wants to feel better by denigrating and calling names.
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Why don’t you teach me a lesson and explain to us how what I see as philandering, crookery and shamelessness is not so? That should make a more interesting read than your beating around the bush for the last 18 pages, brother.
 
seekdatruth said:
Maybe he presented the facts a bit bluntly, but does that make it any less true?
Insecure? Well, I guess one could say I’m insecure too, I live in a town where LDS people are in control, and I see a lot of abuses of power. There’s actually a sort of word-of-mouth blacklist here of businesses not owned by LDS. I realized this the first time I looked at the back of our bulletin and noticed that several of the businesses on there are ones that LDS people had told me to avoid without specific reason when I first got here. Turns out they are the businesses owned by Catholics and Protestants.
So yeah, I feel a bit insecure. I was almost tempted to join their church in order to avoid the shunning and persecution, but realized what my children would be a part of and what kind of un-Christian behavior they would be taught, so I RAN back to the CC. On the way I realized just how much it has been the right decision for myself and my kids. I feel like God led me back to the right place because he knew I was ready to stop wandering around lost and come home.
God is good!
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Seek, from what I’ve seen, your experience is not unique. The LDS are also known for favoring members over non-members in employment situations and unofficial shunning frequently occurs even towards members who have stopped going to church for some reason ~ a practice which causes many to view the LDS church as more of a “cult” than a church.

Many LDS members, even if they no longer believe in the theology of the church continue to attend their meetings for personal, family, social or economic reasons ~ they cannot face the ostracism which almost certainly will follow any lapse in church attendance. Not only have I witnessed this myself, but other CAF members have posted similar experiences. Even if it isn’t official church policy, it happens often enough that it cannot be either coincidence or imaginary. Perhaps such shunning occurs in other churches too, I don’t know, but I have never seen anything like the LDS form of shunning practiced by any other religious group.
 
jp2weloveu said:
Why do Mormons believe in the practice of baptizing the dead? Our Lord said things like, let the dead bury their dead but you come and follow me (He who is the way the truth and the life)…

Now if our bodies were formed from dust (and into dust they will return) and our souls are seperated from our bodies at the time of death, why would baptism after death make sense to anyone?

Secondly, Our Lord tells us that the kingdom of heaven is like good seed sown, some on rocky ground, some in thorns and some on good soil…

If the good seed of the Gospel, God’s chosen people, golden plates et al. existed in the America’s for hundreds (or thousands?) of years before the pilgrims came why weren’t the Americas found by the pilgrims to be following Christ?

Did the seed find no good ground (souls) in all of the inhabitants of the Americas? Is it the Mormon view that the Gospel of Our Lord in the Americas was (perish the thought) a dead letter?
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I didn’t see this one.
1 Corinthians 15:29

Is an answer for “unless a man be born again of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the king dom of heaven” (paraphrase from memory) Baptism must be done on this earth, and it isour belief that such baptisms were performed also in the primitive church. An example of such a practice would be those who were condemned in the Marcionite (spelling?- it’s late and no time to look stuff up) heresy. They also baptized for the dead, but their practice was already apostate, and was condemned by John Chrysostom.

Doing work for the dead forges a spiritual bond between us and our ancestors and is a marvelous example of doing for others what they cannot do for themselves. It is the purest form of service you can do for someone. The catholic church does not have a firm understanding of what happens after death to those who were not baptized – witness the doctrinal changes concerning Limbo. You will say they were not doctrinal changes but they were.

The gospel was preached in the Americas-- “I have other sheep who are not of this flock”-- but there was also an apostasy of these beliefs for reasons similar to those in the old world.

Aztec religion contains many dramatically distorted parallels with christianity-- but they are caricatures of the truth. Jesus’ sacrifice becomes human sacrifice for the Aztecs – eating and drinking the blood of the God becomes cannibalism.

I will be glad to answer you, since you seem like a decent human being, but I will not answer the other idiots here.

It’s late and I am tired and have a busy day tomorrow, but will be back perhaps in a day or two. Have a good one. I know this is not the best written post, but wanted to get back to you quickly since I missed the question earlier
 
seekdatruth said:
Another standard question-dodging technique. Laughable! You’ve been dodging questions for 30 years, so yeah, I guess you’re pretty good at that. LOL!! :rotfl:
I guess if you want to weed out the weak-minded for the Catholic Church, go right ahead, I won’t stand in your way! That’s all you’re going to get with your type of arguments.
May God bless those who are sucked in by LDS lies.
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This kind of anger just proves you are on the defense, and hurting.

No right minded person would act this way unless they were desperate. Do you really think God would honor your prayer to bless others when you have that attitude? Very sad.
 
mfbukowski said:
I didn’t see this one.

Doing work for the dead forges a spiritual bond between us and our ancestors and is a marvelous example of doing for others what they cannot do for themselves. It is the purest form of service you can do for someone. The catholic church does not have a firm understanding of what happens after death to those who were not baptized – witness the doctrinal changes concerning Limbo. You will say they were not doctrinal changes but they were.
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Just as LDS say that Adam-God and the inferiority of blacks were not doctrinal changes.

If you get to declare Catholic doctrine and changes and we get to declare LDS doctrine and changes right?
 
mfbukowski said:
This kind of anger just proves you are on the defense, and hurting.

No right minded person would act this way unless they were desperate. Do you really think God would honor your prayer to bless others when you have that attitude? Very sad.
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I do indeed hurt, but it’s not in the way you think. “Life is pain, anyone who says otherwise is selling something.” --Wesley The Princess Bride (best quote I could come up with at the moment, but if you missed that general idea in the Bible, well then I’m sorry for you) If God only speaks to or honors prayers of the ones who are “perfect”, then what good is that? If they are without flaw, does he need to give them any direction or help?

May all who seek Him find the one true God, and may he bless you with his love and understanding. Peace be with you!
I’m unsubscribing to this thread because it’s going nowhere.
Talk to my other cheek! lol! :rolleyes:
 
zaffiroborant said:
Just as LDS say that Adam-God and the inferiority of blacks were not doctrinal changes.

If you get to declare Catholic doctrine and changes and we get to declare LDS doctrine and changes right?
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Neither of those were ever doctrine. Neither are in the standard works. But I have no problem with doctrinal change. We believe in ongoing revelation. Catholics do too but won’t admit it. Anytime the pope speaks ex cathedra, it is changed doctrine, or there would be no purpose in him ever using that as a possibility.
 
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