Catholics regard Muhammad as a prophet??

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I am a practicing Roman Catholic, but I do still observe some of the major Jewish holidays such as passover. It compliments the Easter season perfectly. Our parish priest sees no issues with this.
 
Daniel49 said:
I am a practicing Roman Catholic, but I do still observe some of the major Jewish holidays such as passover. It compliments the Easter season perfectly. Our parish priest sees no issues with this.
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I stand corrected. Maybe it applies to some.
 
R_not said:
good one. I never thought of that. 😃

When I read them it just irritates the stuff out of me. They are annoying, especially when after mohammed’s name. I never knew until the last few months why muslims said and wrote that stuff - and it is all just a ‘cover their bases’ thing to do.

It has to do with the ‘scales’ of right and wrong. Everything they do is to balance the scales so they get to heaven. Aydan posted the video series. Former MUSLIMS Testify About ISLAM (this is a series of 11 videos - the 1st two talk about the scales, martyrdom bypassing the scales and a ticket straight to heaven, etc).

It took me all day to view these videos - but they are worthwhile.
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And former Catholics will say the same sorts of things about Catholicism. Do you find them equally worthwhile?

Edwin
 
Daniel49 said:
I would like to go on record as advocating that any religion that includes within its scriptures the murder of human beings to further its cause should be made illegal to practice here in the United States. All freedoms provided to us by our constitution have some limitations such as the limitation on the freedom of speech with the classic principle that one can not yell fire in a theatre in the absence of such a fire.

Similarly, murdering humans as part of a religions advocacy in written scripture must be met with the strongest resistance that our laws can provide - - - they need to be made to be illegal to practice in this country as a matter of a human rights issue. If those people who are members of such cults do not like this new law, then they need to move to another country where these practices (murder) are tolerated.

Daniel49
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Here is the problem Daniel. They deny any of what you say. Our government, and especially the left winger liberals, totally believe the muslim’s taqiyya. Of course, they won’t bother too read the koran and at least Bukhari’s hadiths! And of course, they won’t read any of the history of jihad. You know - these left wing liberals who tell us how intelligent they are!? 🤷

And we have seen the left wing liberal media go and totally believe the muslims who claim they are the victims. They bash Israel, we go and slaughter more Christains for the muslims (Bosnia and Kosovo), and don’t do a thing to help the Sudanese, etc. Take Israel for example. The very next day Hamas broke the cease fire and started lobbing bombs into Israel. How many of our ‘peaceful ones’ rioted/protested over that fact? Or how many left wing liberal medias reported it? NOOOOOO Instead they keep on reporting that Israel is the bad guy and Obama/Clinton hand over more moola to the hamas freaks.

Until we yank the heads of our government and media to wake up we are not going to get anywhere fast.
 
Contarini said:
And former Catholics will say the same sorts of things about Catholicism. Do you find them equally worthwhile?

Edwin
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get a clue - read their koran and some of their history. As for ex-Catholics I find most of them are disillusioned with the Pope, or some wrongly perceived notion of what someone else should have or have not done. They usually know very little about Catholicism, and had a weak background in it.

If there are others - then I await their posts.

I don’t know why you find it bothersome to find out what ex-muslims say about their religion. I never knew why muslims wouldn’t look me in the eye - I was a mere woman to them. Or why the muslimette would never lay the change in my hand, but always put it on the counter instead. Or quite a number of other things - and now I know why. And I didn’t learn it from active muslims because they wouldn’t know how to tell us we are considered dirty. Or unworthy.

Get over your phobia. There is a lot I don’t like about islam - but it doesn’t stop me from learning about it.
 
Hisalone, this thread is about how Catholics view Muhammad, not how anti-Catholics such as yourself view Catholicism. Save your opinion of Catholicism for an appropriate thread, please.
 
Also a lot of them are buying into the left winger liberal’s bashing of Christianity in the public schools and bash the exact same things that all of the left wing liberals bash - the exact same arguments all the time.

If someone is doubting, that is normal. They doubt the Trinity, or Jesus’ divinity. They should go back to the Bible, or reach out to find the truth. Instead they are lazy and just attend class and accept the brainwashing.

the difference between the Bible though is that it is very consistent in its teachings. the koran, and islam, are not consistent.

And the twisting of doing bad things as being good and holy. The need to dehumanize people because they don’t believe in islam - which makes it easier for atrocities to be done against the unbelievers. The dividing up the world into dar al harb, and dar al islam; and the dividing up of people into unbelievers and believers - that is all a part of the ‘them vs us’ attitude.

Not one muslim has addressed predestination. Or can prove the Bible was corrupted - even though their own koran says to read it for the ‘Truth of the Lord’. surah 10:94 Basically, it is telling the muslims to read the Bible - the ‘books before them’. He even says that it is ‘truth from our Lord’. And then they turn around and say it is the koran that is the truth even though it has twisted everything and contradicts itself and the Bible.

They say allah is a deceiver. Well, if that is the case - then are they sure that what allah told them is correct? It couldn’t get the koran straight and then changed its mind concerning the Bible - why would it keep its promise that being a martyr and murdering others would get them to heaven, or that anything they do will get them to heaven. Does all that bypass predestination?

There are too many problems with islam to be believable. it is why they have to be deceptive about it, to not encourage the followers to read it and discuss it and instead memorize the Arabic version even if they don’t know Arabic.
 
dzheremi said:
Hisalone, this thread is about how Catholics view Muhammad, not how anti-Catholics such as yourself view Catholicism. Save your opinion of Catholicism for an appropriate thread, please.
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The comment was made that former Muslims should not be taken any more seriously than former Catholics. My comment was to indicate both should be taken seriouly
 
Quoting R_Not

“Here is the problem Daniel. They deny any of what you say”
My proposition of making it illegal to practice a religion that has written scripture that advocates as part of its practice the murder of people stands.

What the koran says on the issue of jihad and murdering of Jews and Christians is not deniable - - - it is right there in black and white in that trash document of theirs…

Now, if they want to delete those sections of their scripture, well then that is an entirely different matter. But they will not do that because those things are fundamental to the goals of the movement - - - and so bann them - - - ship 'em to somewhere like Saudia Arabia or Iran where the murders are encouraged. And, if they get caught practicing their religion in this country, arrest them for presenting themselves as a public safety menace to the rest of us. Each time they get together as a group, I view it as a conspiracty to kill the rest of us - - - so off to jail with them.

Daniel49
 
Daniel49 said:
Quoting R_Not

“Here is the problem Daniel. They deny any of what you say”
My proposition of making it illegal to practice a religion that has written scripture that advocates as part of its practice the murder of people stands.

What the koran says on the issue of jihad and murdering of Jews and Christians is not deniable - - - it is right there in black and white in that trash document of theirs…

Now, if they want to delete those sections of their scripturee, well then that is an entirely different matter. But they will not do that and so bann them - - - ship 'em to Saudia Arabia where the murders are encouraged.

Daniel49
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I agree wholeheartedly with you. What you will get though will be them denying they are muslims. They are told to lie when they feel they are in danger. They will continue even more fervently on with their agenda.

And some groups will outright war with us since they look at themselves as being persecuted. In fact, when muslims around this world think they are not getting their way, or there is some perceived threat - others who are not even associated with the issue will die.

islam should not be classified as a religion and given any special rights. Our left wing idiot schools - and that includes the Universities - should be told to teach jihad and mohammed and tell the truth about them instead of some fairy tales about them because they are afraid of offending muslims. They certainly are not concerned with offending Catholics, Jews or anyone else.

But until there is a better leadership in our government it won’t happen.

I think that no matter what we do there will be a clash in the future. They grow and vote in their own so as to change the laws too.

All of this is in history - persecution of others will drive them underground and make them out to others as the victims and they don’t need any help in acting as the victims - they do it even when they are not! And they grow in groups around this country and gaining in government offices and slithering in their sharia laws, making segregation or 'praying/dressing like a muslim sound like they are sooo modest or that it gives the students a mulitcultural perspective while they do not ‘pray like a Jew/Christian’. The first example, persecution - read about Bloody Mary. The second example, read about Lebanon or Bosnia/Kosovo, the Southeast Asian countries such as Malaysia, etc.

And currently we are letting anything into our country illegally. No one, or very few, do anything about illegals; and when they do we got the likes of the ACLU protecting them. Many are coming in illegally. Look at the somalies in Michigan - our government knows that many of them are illegal and they also know that many are active jihadists (not that peaceful kind). Or look at the over 30 compounds in our country that the FBI knows that theya are now going underground with their jihadist training.
 
Quoting R-Not

“What you will get though will be them denying they are muslims.”
There are mosques popping up all around us here in New Jersey. If the authorities find a bunch of people congregating in them, we can conclude that they are practicing islam and preparing to do what it says in that trash document of theirs. Thus, the people in those places are muslims. Go in to these places and just arrest them - - - get them out of here before they do more damage to us.

I am certain that some of them would love to get their knife blade onto the neck of someone like myself - - - they would get a Christian and Jew all in one swipe of the blade.

Screw 'em.

Daniel49
 
Here are a few cute little quotes from the koran:

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh
with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. -
9:73

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends
of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them.
God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from
obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the
unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find
them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for
them. - 9:5

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of
Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the
unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to
enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Real nice, not

Daniel49
 
What is planten’s secret colour code?

Sometimes he replies in pale blue, sometimes in brown, sometimes in black

Why? 😉
 
Another cute little quote from the koran:

'Take them* and kill them whenever you find them. Behold we have delivered them unto your hands and given you su"
*them = infidels

Daniel49
 
Some more cute little quotes from the koran:

Sura 2:187-189 “And kill them* wherever ye shall find them, and eject them* from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels…Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked.”

2:190-292 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”

Sura 4:89 “seize them* and slay them* wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
*them = infidels

Daniel49
What a nice religion! I do not seem to remember any such tone in the New Testament, do you?
 
No practicing Catholic could ever consider Muhammad as a prophet :nope:
 
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