Catholics Resist Same-Sex 'Marriage'

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the issue in this thread is that of same-sex marriage. so what some people in their posts are saying is that while sodomy is a sin, if the gay couple get married it no longer is a sin? so the Lord need not have destroyed Soddom and Gommorah as all they had to do was get married to each other to make their acts ok? the Lord states cleary in the bible that a man shall not lie with another man…ie homosexual relations are wrong, i think included in that is the fact that a gay marriage is wrong in the eyes of the Lord. when the Lord created man and women he did not create man and man or women amd women, but man and women. this argument can easily be resolved if we just go back to the Lords original teachings within the bible. this issue is not a “grey area” its clear in black and white within the bible you hold in your hands. homosexual relations are wrong adn thus homosexual marriages are wrong. the Lord was clear on it. if you think any other way then you are not following the law of the Lord and need to spend some time studying your bible. the lord welcomed sinners into his midst and this way he didnt reject them, as we are not to reject homosexuals, but the Lord detested their sin, love the sinner, hate the sin.
 
Crow said:
Hence you thus agree that homosexual couples should not have the priviliege of getting married?

I do not see a need for a new ‘classification’ for those couples who are sterile for reasons outside their control, as older couples, as I stated above.

It would be difficult to deny marriage to those who decide not to have children (heterosexual couples that is). I know that the Church does not allow couples to be married if they openly state they do not intend to have children, or for instance, if one or the other in a married couple openly admits not wanting children to my knowledge this forms justification for an anulment. But to request the goverment to inforce this by law? Not sure about that.
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Of course it wouldn’t work as a law, but it puts the shoe on the other foot doesn’t it? Nobody wants to tell heterosexual couples that they can’t marry for any reason under secular law, but they’re perfectly willing to use secular law to do that for homosexual couples.

The point is that Church law and Secular law are going to differ from time to time. Remember the old Hebrew National commercial where the voiceover talks about the government having certain standards but that they answered to a “Higher authority?” It was funny, but also on target. Regardless of what the State does, those who follow the Church MUST obey Church law first. There are more than a few things that are legal that I do not do because they are against Church teaching.
 
Crow said:
Your question then is one of priority.

You are correct taht the Catholic faith olbiges you to respect the constitution - no problems there, but the faith should trump the law if there is a contradiction between the two. The CCC explains this quite clearly.

The rights of those who have chosen not to follow the Catholic faith should be respected as well - I agree. But all in respecting their rights, and their persons, by the catholic faith we should not, under any circumstance within our power, encourage them in their vices - that includes the passing of laws.
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My faith does trump the law. I’ve never used ABC-even though it’s legal, never had an abortion (both of which are legal) and I’m not in a homosexual relationship-I certianly don’t plan a gay wedding anytime soon-even when it becomes legal.

As I said above-we answer to a Higher Authority and whether the state makes something legal or not it does not change our obligations to that authority.
 
It is warranted to us, as catholics to oppose vice and sin. From this, we are warranted to oppose gay marriage in whatever capacity we can.
 
Fitswimmer said:
Of course it wouldn’t work as a law, but it puts the shoe on the other foot doesn’t it? Nobody wants to tell heterosexual couples that they can’t marry for any reason under secular law, but they’re perfectly willing to use secular law to do that for homosexual couples.

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‘to do that to homosexual couples’? It is not intended ‘to do anything’ to these ‘couples’, what is intended is to apply natural law within secular law. In this case, it is insisted that secular law follow simple and self evident moral law common to everyone. Those who oppose such things can only do so by error and the most charitable thing to do is to correct this error as far as it is possible.

What is being presented by Church doctrine is the natural/moral law - common to all, equally applied to all, homosexual and heterosexual. Both may have objections, but the natural law and in defacto the secular law should be applied to all equally (I do not in either case, my wife and I had as many children as we could adn would of had more if we could of, we have 3 children).

If an effective way can be imagined to place procreation as a requirement to marriage within law, by principal it should be fully supported by Catholics everywhere.
 
So what exactly is our duty as catholics towards same-sex marriages? Is it a sin to work at a hotel where there is a reception for such a ‘marriage’? Is it a sin to be the photographer for them, or to be a maid for such a couple? Are we obliged to crash their weddings? What kind of “resistance” do we have to put up against them?
 
fix said:
OK, then where does the law of the land derive morality from?
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The law of the land does not draw it’s morality from the tenets of any single religion. American morality cannot and is not drawn from Judaism, Christianity or any of the other faiths that compete for space and attention in this country. It would seem that the common morality consists of that which is common to those of no particular faith and from those of all faiths.

We don’t have laws against eating pork or shellfish, we don’t have laws against card playing or dancing and we don’t have laws saying that we must worship in a particular Church, Temple or Mosque or that we may not worship at all. That’s the good side. (especially since I LOVE shellfish) The bad side is that we have to put up with the existence of things that our faith finds objectionable.
 
Fitswimmer said:
The law of the land does not draw it’s morality from the tenets of any single religion. American morality cannot and is not drawn from Judaism, Christianity or any of the other faiths that compete for space and attention in this country. It would seem that the common morality consists of that which is common to those of no particular faith and from those of all faiths.
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And what is the source of this common morality?
We don’t have laws against eating pork or shellfish, we don’t have laws against card playing or dancing and we don’t have laws saying that we must worship in a particular Church, Temple or Mosque or that we may not worship at all. That’s the good side. (especially since I LOVE shellfish) The bad side is that we have to put up with the existence of things that our faith finds objectionable.
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Sectarian things like not eating pork are not issues of the natural law.
 
fix said:
And what is the source of this common morality?

Did you have trouble understanding the answer you quoted?

Sectarian things like not eating pork are not issues of the natural law.
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But they are laws considered to be from God, are they not?
 
fix said:
And what is the source of this common morality?

Sectarian things like not eating pork are not issues of the natural law.
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My answer to your first question is the passage you quoted.

Depending on your conception of what natural law consists of, those issues might apply.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
So what exactly is our duty as catholics towards same-sex marriages? Is it a sin to work at a hotel where there is a reception for such a ‘marriage’? Is it a sin to be the photographer for them, or to be a maid for such a couple? Are we obliged to crash their weddings? What kind of “resistance” do we have to put up against them?
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I would apply Primacy of Conscience to each situation. However, I think a wiser man (or woman) than myself should reply to this one.

All I know for certain is that as Catholics we cannot in good conscience support or encourage immorality; including homosexual acts.
 
fix said:
Which is what?
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The law of the land does not draw it’s morality from the tenets of any single religion. American morality cannot and is not drawn from Judaism, Christianity or any of the other faiths that compete for space and attention in this country. **It would seem that the common morality consists of that which is common to those of no particular faith and from those of all faiths. **
 
As a follow up to the original post, here is an update regarding the American TFP’s ad campaign opposing rulings in favor of same-sex “marriage” in California.

Three cheers for TFP.
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Traditional Marriage Ads Received with Cheers and Jeers**

Catholics must continue to pray and resist the imposition of unnatural vice and the destruction of marriage as God ordained it: Adam and Eve.
 
Fitswimmer said:
The law of the land does not draw it’s morality from the tenets of any single religion. American morality cannot and is not drawn from Judaism, Christianity or any of the other faiths that compete for space and attention in this country. **It would seem that the common morality consists of that which is common to those of no particular faith and from those of all faiths. **
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Which is what exactly?
 
Fitswimmer said:
The law of the land does not draw it’s morality from the tenets of any single religion. American morality cannot and is not drawn from Judaism, Christianity or any of the other faiths that compete for space and attention in this country. **It would seem that the common morality consists of that which is common to those of no particular faith and from those of all faiths. **
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Morality in todays culture consists of what ever 5 members of a given states supreme court says it is.
 
Pray for those in our midst who call themselves Catholic, yet disobey our Church’s teachings.

O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. - Miraculous Medal prayer
 
DSF said:
Pray for those in our midst who call themselves Catholic, yet disobey our Church’s teachings.

O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. - Miraculous Medal prayer
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Pray for those who feel the compulsion to set themselves as judge and jury over who is and who is not a Catholic…
 
Your sig line presents your point of view about others. I do not hate anyone. Sure, I get angry sometimes.

This particular issue is grounded in correct Church teaching. It should do no one any harm to be reminded about that. I know my messages are read by more than one person, including some people who don’t know certain things. Catholics are instructed to encourage one another and to build up the Body of Christ. It is appropriate to point out errors that are inconsistent with clear Church teaching. We are also told to admit our faults to one another.

It is helpful and appropriate in a Catholic Forum to speak up about unclear, vague, heretical and anti-Church and anti-God comments from appropriate Church teaching.

The goal of being part of a Catholic community is helping one another to be better Catholics, fully informed of the truth.

God bless,
Ed
 
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