Catholics Resist Same-Sex 'Marriage'

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Thanks for your post, Ed. Well-stated!

As for Fitswimmer, with all due respect, please don’t misunderstand me. I did not write that in judgment - but rather concern. My concern is that many people who call themselves Catholic seem to embrace the very things that our Church tells us not to.

I don’t understand why one would be of a certain religion, yet want to change many things about it. (ie: people wanting the Church to change its stance on birth control, women priests, etc…)

I am concerned for souls, to be completely honest. Also, if I hated people, why would I be praying for them?

God Bless,

DSF
 
Am I the only person here who thinks this issue is silly to debate? I mean, we know the church’s teachings, homosexuality is a sin, not to be encouraged. The church is a transforming agent in the world, we change the world, it does not change us (well, properly Christ changes the world through the church).

I mean, look at it logically, read your catechism…

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt3art7.htm
 
Well, a discussion then, not a debate. This issue still needs discussion and sometimes, clarification. With all due respect to everyone, a lot of noise is being generated over this issue.

Some people sincerely, and some insincerely (not implying anything about anyone here), think the “Church needs to change” or the “Church needs to keep up” with the times. God is constant with no shade of turning. The devil works through deception, trying to promote error, twisting the meaning of things.

The basic idea behind deception from the devil’s viewpoint is to confuse the enemy (people who don’t follow him) by presenting a choice that seems right but is false or a choice that appears good but is actually bad. We must always, as Catholics, examine Church teaching with both our minds and spirits. We must pray and put on “the full armor of God” to protect ourselves from all bad influences.

God bless,
Ed
 
Thanks for your post, Ed. Well-stated!

As for Fitswimmer, with all due respect, please don’t misunderstand me. I did not write that in judgment - but rather concern. My concern is that many people who call themselves Catholic seem to embrace the very things that our Church tells us not to.

I don’t understand why one would be of a certain religion, yet want to change many things about it. (ie: people wanting the Church to change its stance on birth control, women priests, etc…)

I am concerned for souls, to be completely honest. Also, if I hated people, why would I be praying for them?

God Bless,

DSF
I have never, in any post I have ever made here said that Church teaching was incorrect, or that it needed to be changed. I can fully believe in and obey Church teachings while still calling for an end to hatred for people because of their orientation. If you truly believe that Catholics “hate the sin and not the sinner” you need to take a walk in the shoes of a homosexual trying to stay in the Church. The ONLY time I have actually felt that distinction is from my Priests. I left a parish I was part of for 20 years because of gossip about a relationship that NEVER existed. The person I was linked to wasn’t even gay!! I have put up with harassment about how my clothing choices would send me to hell. I have had people tell me that I should not have received Communion because I’m gay. I don’t walk around introducing myself as a homosexual, I only share it here because I want people to understand what it’s like for us. All of the judgement that has been laid on me came from assumptions based on surface issues.

What I am trying to suggest is that it is not the job of the Catholic in the pew to decide who of their brethren is or is not Catholic. Unless a person comes to you and confesses a sin or asks for advice, keep your concentration on your own salvation and leave the rest of the world alone.
 
Pray for those in our midst who call themselves Catholic, yet disobey our Church’s teachings.

O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. - Miraculous Medal prayer
The Cafeteria is now closed!!
 
thank you I’m flattered!
The cafeteria closed and was shut down when Pope Benedict became pope!
Well, thank you Holy Father…

I must have missed the white smoke arising from the Vatican that we had a new Pope.
 
thank you I’m flattered!
The cafeteria closed and was shut down when Pope Benedict became pope!
I guess my excommunication letter was lost in the mail. My priest seems unaware as well. Amazing how you have such inside info.
 
I guess my excommunication letter was lost in the mail. My priest seems unaware as well. Amazing how you have such inside info.
so are you saying that being a cafeteria catholic you are still a good Catholic? You cannot pick and choose which doctrine to follow and believe in.
 
so are you saying that being a cafeteria catholic you are still a good Catholic? You cannot pick and choose which doctrine to follow and believe in.
I haven’t said any such thing. I have never denied or called for change in any doctrine of the faith. As to which doctrines I follow and which I do not-that’s between me, my Confessor and God thank you very much.

The determination here about my level of Catholicism has been leveled because of my stubborn insistence upon upholding the Constitution and my defense of the rights of all Americans to practice or not practice religion as they choose.
 
The determination here about my level of Catholicism has been leveled because of my stubborn insistence upon upholding the Constitution and my defense of the rights of all Americans to practice or not practice religion as they choose.
Homosexual marriage is not a right. That can be known by those who do not practice religion.
 
so are you saying that being a cafeteria catholic you are still a good Catholic? You cannot pick and choose which doctrine to follow and believe in.
O am not sure what Fitswimmer offense is here. He is opposed same sex marriage and believes that those who who have SSA should remain celibate. Isnt that what the Church teaches?
 
O am not sure what Fitswimmer offense is here. He is opposed same sex marriage and believes that those who who have SSA should remain celibate. Isnt that what the Church teaches?
As a Catholic homosexual I have chosen to remain celibate as per the teachings of my church. That does not mean that I can make that choice for every other homosexual in the country. That does not mean that I have forgotten about the Constitution, and about equal rights for all citizens. While I love my religion, that does not mean that I support enshrining all it’s tenets into civil law. It also does not mean that I can, nor should I stop speaking up when homosexuals are marginalized or any insinuations are made about their sinfulness, their corruption, their mental disease or their evil nature.
 
Marriage is not a right. The state can deny you or anyone the right to marry for any reason. The problem with our society today is that everyone feels everthing is their right.

Also - just because the government makes something legal doesn’t make it right.
I haven’t said any such thing. I have never denied or called for change in any doctrine of the faith. As to which doctrines I follow and which I do not-that’s between me, my Confessor and God thank you very much.

The determination here about my level of Catholicism has been leveled because of my stubborn insistence upon upholding the Constitution and my defense of the rights of all Americans to practice or not practice religion as they choose.
 
Marriage is not a right. The state can deny you or anyone the right to marry for any reason. The problem with our society today is that everyone feels everthing is their right.

Also - just because the government makes something legal doesn’t make it right.
The quote you attached was about practicing religion and that is indeed a right. We have the right, guaranteed by the First Amendment, to practice religion or not practice religion as we so choose.

Marriage has long been considered a right by heterosexuals, who file it under the heading of pursuit of happiness.
 
and show where “under the pursuit of happiness” the right to marriage is listed. It is not. The right to marry is granted by each state and THEY have the right to not let you marry for whatever reason.
The quote you attached was about practicing religion and that is indeed a right. We have the right, guaranteed by the First Amendment, to practice religion or not practice religion as we so choose.

Marriage has long been considered a right by heterosexuals, who file it under the heading of pursuit of happiness.
 
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