Catholics Stand Up And Attack

[gelsbern]

I have one simple answer as to why we should be on the defense. It is a matter of obedience to our first Pope. St. Peter.

1 Peter 3:15: “But, in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence.”

 

[Church_Militant]

gelsbern:

I have one simple answer as to why we should be on the defense. It is a matter of obedience to our first Pope. St. Peter.

1 Peter 3:15: “But, in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence.”

I fully agree!

I can’t believe that this guy comes down on me. I defend the faith on here infinitely more often than he does with his shouting and insulting tirades. Someone might actually listen to me…God willing by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

marineboy:

ITS AM HOW YOU PEOPLE CREATE STRAW A ARGUMENTS–I AID ATTACK UNTRUTHS—WHICH OBVIOUSLY MEANS TO, AS I SAID IN MY ORIGINAL POST, PRESENT THE QUESTION TOT HE PROTESTANT OR MUSLIM BEFORE HE SAYS IT TO YOU–in other be offensive—who said anything about being uncharitable or beng obnoxious–c’mon people stop with these straw man attacks–and to the clown who said “check your history? we answer herseies!!”–well genius yes we do but we also state where they are wrong and tha is what I am sayong–obviously we answer them–there has to be a heresy for us to attack it—no offense but that was a stupid statement–

Marineboy,Church Millitant is defending the faith and telling the truth about the Church,so you don’t need to go there with him! Stop that:tsktsk:

 

[john654]

Originally Posted by gelsbern
*I have one simple answer as to why we should be on the defense. It is a matter of obedience to our first Pope. St. Peter.

1 Peter 3:15: “But, in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence.”*

You can have NO defense without offense. The reason Terri is being CONTRACEPTED because MOST Catholics think they can win a war with no offense. I for one meet protesting christians head on, toe to toe. It’s a WAR! I only pray that when the time comes Jesus gives me the grace to be a martyr.

Peter struck two people DEAD! Get off this w(name removed by moderator)y, mamby pampy, lukewarm, lip service of Jesus. THEY (the protestant USA) are putting one of our sisters to death RIGHT NOW!

BE ANGRY BUT DON’T SIN! Is that in the Bible???

ATTACK!
John

 

[john654]

Hi

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HOW GOOD FRIDAY CAN BE GOOD “Then He bowed His head, and delivered over His spirit.” —John 19:30 Because of selfishness, we human beings naturally tend to have lukewarm relationships, even our relationship with God. The Lord hates this. He shockingly states: “I know you are neither hot nor cold. How I wish you were one or the other — hot or cold! But because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spew you out of My mouth!” (Rv 3:15-16) The Lord pictures Himself as vomiting to make His point about His despising lukewarmness.

Because of a fallen human nature, human beings naturally and frequently deceive themselves. The Lord makes clear: “More deceitful than all else is the human heart, who can understand it?” (Jer 17:9, our transl) We tend to deceive ourselves about our lukewarmness.

This combination of lukewarmness and self-deception is so dangerous as to be damning. God became a human being, died on the cross, rose from the dead, and gave His disciples a new nature to save us from being doomed in our old, selfish nature of lukewarmness and self-deception.

Today, on this Good Friday, on the threshold of renewing our baptismal promises, let us beg the Lord to break through our self-deception about our lukewarmness in our relationships with Him. Let us weep for our sins as Peter did (Lk 22:62). Let us come out of fearful hiding as Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus did (Jn 19:38-39). Let us love Jesus in truth and totality.

John

 

[4_marks]

marineboy:

Why does it seem, at least to me, that we are the ones always defeinding our Faith. We should be the ones attacking (in charity of course). We have the fullness of faith. The road to salvation comes through ROME!!!1 We should be the ones asking the Protestant–“where is sola scriptura in the BIble?” Where is faith alone? what about Matthew 16:17-19----?? How do u know what the canon is without an infallible authority to tell which books are inspired and which arent?? WHY DO WE ALWAYS WAIT TO DEFEND THE FAITH??–GET UP ASK THE QUESTIONS TO THEM------THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO THE FULLNES OF TRUTH----SO LETS GO GET UP ATTACK THE UNTRUTHS OF NOT ONLY PROTESTANISM BUT JUDAISM ISLAM MORMONISM ETC------

I certainly admire your zeal. Perhaps part of the reason why the Catholic faith has been, and continues to be, abandoned by a significant number of people for evangelical fundamentalism, Mormonism, etc, is that we Catholics do not demonstrate enough of it.

I think our approach must be geared to the situation at hand. When confronted by an obnoxious bible-thumping type of person who is bent on attacking the Catholic faith, then, yes, give it right back to them…both barrels. Assume that this is the approach that they expect of someone who truly believes what they do because this is the approach that they take. It’s O.K. to have a knock down, drag out scream fest once in a while for the sake of truth. We don’t all have to walk around others on eggshells. Evangelization must not become PC or it will be highly ineffective.

For others, however, a more subtle and gentle approach may be required. We need to know where the person may be coming from. Listen carefully and watch their body language. If communicating in written form, ask them to clarify for you what you don’t understand if they say something that you know is clearly at odds with Catholic faith and practice.

But, I am with you. There are definitely times where we Catholics could be much more assertive and “in your face” if necessary about our faith. Especially in these days of post-modern, anything goes relativism.

 

[TheGarg]

marineboy:

ITS AM HOW YOU PEOPLE CREATE STRAW A ARGUMENTS–I AID ATTACK UNTRUTHS—WHICH OBVIOUSLY MEANS TO, AS I SAID IN MY ORIGINAL POST, PRESENT THE QUESTION TOT HE PROTESTANT OR MUSLIM BEFORE HE SAYS IT TO YOU–in other be offensive—who said anything about being uncharitable or beng obnoxious–c’mon people stop with these straw man attacks–and to the clown who said “check your history? we answer herseies!!”–well genius yes we do but we also state where they are wrong and tha is what I am sayong–obviously we answer them–there has to be a heresy for us to attack it—no offense but that was a stupid statement–

Listen here marine BOY, you really need to think before you speak. You just called on of the most apologetic, knowledgeable, best debating people on this fora a “clown”. NOT Smart.

1. You could learn oodles from this “clown” you refer too if you shut your young yapper and listen to him. If you debate him he will eat your for breakfast …then say a prayer for you !
2. Your offensive manner will win no one to the True Church, or to Jesus period for that matter. I get mad at some of these wrong things in our world as well, but TACT is the key word…
3. read some books on dealing with people, [and now I’m going to insult you], since you OBVIOUSLY have NO people skills…
   a great book that has stood the test of time is “How to win Friends and influence People”…don’t ask just google it, buy it, read it…

sorry to be so abrupt, but since you seem adament about saving souls, and since your a marine, i figured you would appreciate the cold hard truth, to make your goals happen more quickly.

Peace of the Lord be with you…

 

[PeterC]

MT 10:14:16

14 Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words–go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet. 15 Amen, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16 "Behold, I am sending you like sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

marineboy:

typical wimpy catholics you are–we are suppose to attack all herseies arent we?? or are we suppose to wait for the heretic to launch and attack?? c’mon wake up!!! p.s. Protestanism is a heresy!!!

Yo dude, switch to decaf. We are supposed to give an answer for our hope, but to do so with humility and love, not aggression and vulgarity. How many times have you been able to change someone’s mind about something by insulting them? They may appear to change their position, but it only lasts as long as your are in their face. The second you turn their back, they resume their prior position, usually more adamantly than before. I appreciate your passion, but you need to learn to channel it. You’ll make a good apologist one day if you can learn to channel your emotion. (I am begining to sound like Obiwan Kanobi talking to Anakin Skywalker).

Don’t succumb to the dark side, Padawan. We have not been given a spirit of fear, but a spirit of faith. Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Remember, an apologist strength flows from the Holy Spirit. But remember, anger, fear, aggression, from darkness are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Do not forget the reason for the fall of Satan or you will suffer his fate.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

john654:

You can have NO defense without offense. The reason Terri is being CONTRACEPTED because MOST Catholics think they can win a war with no offense. I for one meet protesting christians head on, toe to toe. It’s a WAR! I only pray that when the time comes Jesus gives me the grace to be a martyr.

The best offense is love. You have heard “hate your enemies” but Jesus said “love your enemies.” The enemies don’t know what to make of it.

Peter struck two people DEAD! Get off this w(name removed by moderator)y, mamby pampy, lukewarm, lip service of Jesus. THEY (the protestant USA) are putting one of our sisters to death RIGHT NOW!

This is a tragedy. They will answer to the Almighty for it – they and the ones who enabled them through putting man’s law above God’s law. Either that or they have corrupted man’s law so they could accomplish what they wanted to against God’s law.

 

[john654]

Alan,

The best offense is love. You have heard “hate your enemies” but Jesus said “love your enemies.” The enemies don’t know what to make of it.

Quote:

Love isn’t some abstract concept. Jesus is Love. Jesus is the truth. To love is to tell the truth. If Jesus is love why was he put to death. If you truly love you will make lots of enemies.

John

 

[reen12]

Hello,

How about considering:

Do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with your God.

It seems to me that in rejecting PC talk, there is
sometimes a tendency to get in someone’s face,
and then call it rejecting PC. Neither stance holds
water for me.

What’s the matter with stating clearly and calmly what you
believe without language that is:
-dismissive
-ridiculing
-demeaning

And how about St Paul saying: I become all things
to all people…isn’t that the recipe called for?
I don’t have to agree with…and I might strongly
disagree with…what someone states as true.
But can I not try to understand where the person
is coming from? Isn’t that what’s *meant *by
becoming all things to all men?

If a person is angry, confrontational, I just wish
him/her peace and quietly absent myself, praying
for that person. Trading biblical quotes with an
angry, confrontational individual advances neither
knowledge, faith *or *charity.
Just my thought.
reen 12

I pray to the God of Israel and hope that Jesus
is the Messiah.

 

[dano]

marineboy:

Why does it seem, at least to me, that we are the ones always defeinding our Faith. We should be the ones attacking (in charity of course). We have the fullness of faith. The road to salvation comes through ROME!!!1 We should be the ones asking the Protestant–“where is sola scriptura in the BIble?” Where is faith alone? what about Matthew 16:17-19----?? How do u know what the canon is without an infallible authority to tell which books are inspired and which arent?? WHY DO WE ALWAYS WAIT TO DEFEND THE FAITH??–GET UP ASK THE QUESTIONS TO THEM------THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO THE FULLNES OF TRUTH----SO LETS GO GET UP ATTACK THE UNTRUTHS OF NOT ONLY PROTESTANISM BUT JUDAISM ISLAM MORMONISM ETC------

Hey Devil Dog,
As a fellow Marien, I would agree that 99% of the time - NO SLACK IN ATTACK!! But in this case because most of the opposition is driven by their sects’ by emotionalism, an aggressive attacking posture shuts their minds from reason and they fall back on the “warmth” of what they understand as the basis of their beliefs. No, you’ve got to stimulate their brain-housing group to bring themselves to the CC through intellectual means. It’s a slow process. You make little gains gradually. Think of it as the current Iraq situation…we can easily win the battle (CC be right) but the war is going to be won when the Iraqis fully understand and accept us as liberators - only then will they fullfil their critical role in helping us stabilize the situation - so it is as you prime the non-Catholic mind to want to seek the truth and listen with open an open mind and actually HEAR what you’re saying.
S/F
Dano

 

[marineboy]

I really dont think any of you get my point–or you just dont want to–as I said earlier we should be able to go up to the Protestant Mormon Muslim Jew etc and charitably ask a question—DONT WAIT FOR THEM TO ASK ABOUT ONE OF OUR BELIEFS–I MEAN BE READY IF THEY DO ASK, BUT PLEASE GO ON THE OFFENSIVE—ALSO–THE PERSON WHO SAID CHURCH MILTITANT IS SO “SMART” AND COULD "EAT ME " IN A DEBATE–I DUNNO IF HE IS SO SMART OR HOW GOOD OF A DEBATER HE IS—ALL I KNOW IS THA HE MADE A STUPiD STATEMENT IN SAYING “tHE CHURCH ANSWERS HERESIES NOT ATTACKS THEM.” well guees what in aswering then herseies the CHurch has attacked them. th Church has always pointed out where a heresy is wrong—so his statement that “the Church answers heresies” is an obvious one–of course there must be a heresy for the Church to answer–but the Church then goes an attacks the heresey once is established—he aint beaten anyone in any debate with comments like that…

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Telling someone their lifelong faith is worthless and that they should switch to our religion, is anything from life-saving to opportunist if they are not happy with their own religion.

If they are happy with their religion, then polite interchange of the differences with our faith are certainly in order, but I disagree that somehow talking is better than listening. I listen to what they say and then ask questions. This will do one of two things; drive them deeper into their own faith, or expose issues they may wish to address (or convert to RCC ).

Ask people what they believe and ask them to explain those parts that are not clear. Once you understand what they are saying, you can then ask questions where you find gaps.

It’s pretty ineffective to go telling someone they are wrong when you haven’t taken the time to find out what they even believe. If you do, you have like zero chance of doing any good except to cause them to become more defensively dug-in. All that does is convince them that RCs are loud mouthed and arrogant.

Alan

 

[TheGarg]

marineboy:

ALSO–THE PERSON WHO SAID CHURCH MILTITANT IS SO “SMART” AND COULD "EAT ME " IN A DEBATE–I DUNNO IF HE IS SO SMART OR HOW GOOD OF A DEBATER HE IS—ALL I KNOW IS THA HE MADE A STUPiD STATEMENT IN SAYING “tHE CHURCH ANSWERS HERESIES NOT ATTACKS THEM.”

That was me, and its too bad your never gonna get very many souls to heaven with your “lack of tact”. Everyone burns like you do, but the older crowd, knows to achieve their goals they have to forgo their pride and desire to control everthing…Grow up.

Peace and God Bless…

 

[marineboy]

I have said this before too—Tact is a prudential decision—sometimes you have to take the “soft” approach and sometiMEs the “hard” approach–Jesus used both approaches-----the problem I find with people like you is that you will say --" at times we need to be “hard.”–BUT YOU NEVER DO!!! YOU NEVER BRING IT DOWN TO THE “NITTY GRITTY”–AND LET PEOPLE KNOWTHAT THEIR SOULS ARE AT STAKE—BUT ON THIS FORUM YOU WILL SAY “YA SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BE HARD”–BUTYOU NEVER DO-----BUT YOUR QUICK TO CRITICIZE SOMEONEWHO TAKES THE “HARD” APPROACH ( I AM NOT ALWAYS HARD—)

 

[Asimis]

YES! THOSE INFIDELS! WE SHOULD CHOP THEIR HEADS OFF!! THE INFIDELS ARE ATTACKING, WE MUST FIGHT THEM BACK AND ELIMINATE THEM, FEED THEM TO THE DOGS!!

Actually I agree with you, we should be rebuking heresies and being countercultural and not being so passive.

marineboy:

Why does it seem, at least to me, that we are the ones always defeinding our Faith. We should be the ones attacking (in charity of course). We have the fullness of faith. The road to salvation comes through ROME!!!1 We should be the ones asking the Protestant–“where is sola scriptura in the BIble?” Where is faith alone? what about Matthew 16:17-19----?? How do u know what the canon is without an infallible authority to tell which books are inspired and which arent?? WHY DO WE ALWAYS WAIT TO DEFEND THE FAITH??–GET UP ASK THE QUESTIONS TO THEM------THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO THE FULLNES OF TRUTH----SO LETS GO GET UP ATTACK THE UNTRUTHS OF NOT ONLY PROTESTANISM BUT JUDAISM ISLAM MORMONISM ETC------

 

[Thal59]

The Church is the body of Christ. Jesus’ earthly body was tortured and murdered. He was lied about, misrepresented, and falsely accused. In other words, for 2,000 years the mystical body of Christ (the church) has been treated by the heretics, non-Christians, and Protestants the same way. There is no other faith that has been so attacked and lied about than the Roman Catholic Church. The Lord’s body is still being abused.

But some in the Protestant denominations, even though they are not Catholic may be a part of the body. To attack their churches would be the same as to inflict harm on the Lord’s body.

As members of the body of Christ, it is not our duty to attack or use unkind tactics against those whom we percieve as an enemy. We need to stand firm in the faith, answer all attacks with knowledge and patience, and endure the abuse that is sent us with charity and forbearance.

Thal59

 

[TheGarg]

marineboy:

I have said this before too—Tact is a prudential decision—sometimes you have to take the “soft” approach and sometiMEs the “hard” approach–Jesus used both approaches-----the problem I find with people like you is that you will say --" at times we need to be “hard.”–BUT YOU NEVER DO!!!

You know this how? you have met me when? Save your assumptions for others. You know nothing of me.

marineboy:

BUT YOUR QUICK TO CRITICIZE SOMEONEWHO TAKES THE “HARD” APPROACH ( I AM NOT ALWAYS HARD—)

I am quick to judge someone who takes the unrespectful, “jerk” approach that you take…

You are selfish and are not really concerned about saving souls. All you seemed to be concerned about is your “way of doing things”. IF you were concerned about bring Jesus into the hearts of others, then you would be working on learning the best ways to reach people, with people skills, of which you possess none. You need to learn humility.
Chew on that thought for awhile. Is that hard enough for you?

Peace of the Lord be with you!