Catholics supporting Archbishop Cordileone on school identity feel silenced, pressured
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Pulvis
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What a sad and troubling situation when an Archbishop is attacked for adhering to the Faith and asking Catholic School officials to do the same.
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Megan7
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Exactly
How very sad!Ironically, other Christians (an Orthodox Priest, for example) look up to him regarding the same sex issue taking place in our country. They have asked his opinion, advice on what to do. Yet, our own Catholic brothers & sisters are crucifying this orthodox Archbishop
for wanting our schools to be CATHOLIC 
. I feel like I am in the twilight zone…Here is an interview of Archbishop Cordileone, by an Orthodox Priest.
ancientfaith.com/video/patristicnectarfilms/an_impossible_right_why_same_sex_marriage_is_wrongheaded
“An Impossible Right: Why “Same-Sex Marriage” is Wrongheaded”
Lord have Mercy on us all.
Saint Michael the Archangel protect this courageous Archbishop.:knight2:
May Our Lady protect, guide him through this storm.
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Linusthe2nd
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oneofmany
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I hope they keep asking themselves, “What would Jesus do?” but some think Jesus would pretty much accept anything now with what they have been taught about Him, like he was a peaceful hippy or something along that line.
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ChurchSoldier
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Edmund Burke said the only thing needed for evil to prosper was for good men to do nothing. It takes courage to be a Christian.
The opposition these orthodox Catholics are feeling show just how far evil has advanced in their system.
I pray for courage for them.
The opposition these orthodox Catholics are feeling show just how far evil has advanced in their system.
I pray for courage for them.
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JimG
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Of course the Archbishop’s supporters are afraid. The huge media campaign is designed to cause fear among his supporters, to make them concerned that they too will face defamation, ostracism, and character assassination. Intimidation is the whole point.
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JimG
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Of course the Archbishop’s supporters are afraid. The huge media campaign is designed to cause fear among his supporters, to make them concerned that they too will face defamation, ostracism, and character assassination. Intimidation is the whole point.
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anthony022071
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Archbishop on crash course with S.F., state
sfgate.com/bayarea/articl…te-6088520.php
February 18
< Kevin Fisher-Paulson and his husband send their two sons to St. John Catholic School, an elementary school in Glen Park.
They were rejected by four Catholic schools before being accepted at St. John, and they have no intention of leaving the school despite the archbishop’s very vocal opposition to the makeup of their family.
“Ultimately, I believe in the message of that guy 2,000 years ago who had this great idea: If you’re nice to your neighbors and your neighbors are nice to you, the world is going to be a great place,” said Fisher-Paulson, adding that he is more stubborn than Cordileone, “Just ask my husband.” >
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=951133
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pnewton
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:hypno:
I feel like I slipped into an alternate reality. I don’t know whether to be sick, shocked, angry or confused. There is so much wrong here. Let me start with:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! That is not what “that guy” said. In fact, that is one of the single most ignorant statements I have ever read. What Jesus did say though, that for those who cause children to stumble it would be better that they have a millstone placed around your neck and that you be thrown in the see. “That guy” also brought fire and brimstone to come raining down on another two wicked cities that refuse do turn from their iniquity, in which not even ten good men could be found.
It is not the Catholic schools that were rejecting this “couple”, but this couple that is rejecting the call of Jesus to repentance. Jesus did not say, "If you’re nice to your neighbors and your neighbors are nice to you, the world is going to be a great place,” but he did say, “Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.”
So listen gay guys, and put this in perspective. I would never claim that your sin is so much worse that what many others have done, but the message of the Catholic Church will always be that we must not accept the existence to sin as an excuse for sin. We have to teach, not just children but all society, that sin is never to be accepted. We are in a war, not a tea party. The Church will never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never surrender. This means that two things:
- Forgiveness and mercy will always flow freely for those who seek it.
- All sin will be seen for the evil that it is.
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JimG
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Intolerance of Catholic morality and intimidation of those who wish to exercise it has never been more evident. But the trend will continue. We live in an age of alleged tolerance but there will be no tolerance for Catholicism. The first amendment guarantee of free exercise of religion is increasingly at risk.
Mark121359
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Perhaps we Catholics need to familiarize ourselves with something we wouldn’t have even considered in the not-so-distant-past. It’s called “white martyrdom.”
Peace, Mark
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anthony022071
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Satire
sfweekly.com/thesnitch/20…s-are-catholic
San Francisco Parents Shocked to Learn that Catholic Schools Are Catholic
< San Francisco parents of children enrolled at local Catholic schools were recently shocked to discover that their children are attending schools run by Catholics.
The discovery was made after the local Archbishop, an official of the Catholic Church, sent letters to local teachers employed by the Catholic Church, reminding them of some of the things that the Catholic Church believes in. Those things offended many San Francisco parents, who say they were horrified to discover that the church which they have asked to educate their children might be influencing the way their kids think.
“I had no idea this was really a Catholic school,” said San Francisco mother of two Benita Bentley. “I thought it was just an extremely ironic public school. You know: ‘look at us, we’re so Catholic.’ Like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.”
Local father Greg T., who self-identifies as gayer than you, said that he finds the idea that the Catholic schools are Catholic to be offensive.
“I strongly object to the hateful, oppressive, messages the Catholic church has been constantly sending out for the last 2,000 years,” he said. “So when I entrusted my children to them, I expected better. To find out that the Church which has never accepted me doesn’t accept me … well, obviously I’m going to sign a petition.”
Parents say that the letter sent by the Archbishop, which reiterated that the Catholic church objects to abortion and sex of any kind outside of marriage, among many other things, was “judgy” and “might make people protesting the Catholic church feel that it is not welcoming.” They have signed a petition asking the Archdiocese to change its positions, or at least never mention them where other people could hear about it. >
sfweekly.com/thesnitch/20…s-are-catholic
San Francisco Parents Shocked to Learn that Catholic Schools Are Catholic
< San Francisco parents of children enrolled at local Catholic schools were recently shocked to discover that their children are attending schools run by Catholics.
The discovery was made after the local Archbishop, an official of the Catholic Church, sent letters to local teachers employed by the Catholic Church, reminding them of some of the things that the Catholic Church believes in. Those things offended many San Francisco parents, who say they were horrified to discover that the church which they have asked to educate their children might be influencing the way their kids think.
“I had no idea this was really a Catholic school,” said San Francisco mother of two Benita Bentley. “I thought it was just an extremely ironic public school. You know: ‘look at us, we’re so Catholic.’ Like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.”
Local father Greg T., who self-identifies as gayer than you, said that he finds the idea that the Catholic schools are Catholic to be offensive.
“I strongly object to the hateful, oppressive, messages the Catholic church has been constantly sending out for the last 2,000 years,” he said. “So when I entrusted my children to them, I expected better. To find out that the Church which has never accepted me doesn’t accept me … well, obviously I’m going to sign a petition.”
Parents say that the letter sent by the Archbishop, which reiterated that the Catholic church objects to abortion and sex of any kind outside of marriage, among many other things, was “judgy” and “might make people protesting the Catholic church feel that it is not welcoming.” They have signed a petition asking the Archdiocese to change its positions, or at least never mention them where other people could hear about it. >
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Megan7
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Exactly Jim. Great post, thank you.
It is time for us to support Archbishop Salvatore Joseph Cordileone, by writing to the Papal Nuncio in Washington D.C.
Send letters of support to the College of Bishops (USCCB) Send letters to his office as well. And of course lots of prayers.
This is getting ugly. This is heartbreaking, it feels like we are in the twilight zone
Please join us in prayer, in the the prayer thread/section.
God bless you all.
May Our Lord have Mercy on us all. I am sure that Our Blessed Lord is NOT happy when
a faithful servant is being attacked even by some so called Catholics :dts:
womenofgrace.com/blog/?p=38060
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oneofmany
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I’m watching this now. He is very wise. It won’t stop with marriage, gays have to be considered “normal” in all aspects of life, just like us in all ways.Exactly
Ironically, other Christians (an Orthodox Priest, for example) look up to him regarding the same sex issue taking place in our country. They have asked his opinion, advice on what to do. Yet, our own Catholic brothers & sisters are crucifying this orthodox Archbishop
Here is an interview of Archbishop Cordileone, by an Orthodox Priest.
ancientfaith.com/video/patristicnectarfilms/an_impossible_right_why_same_sex_marriage_is_wrongheaded
“An Impossible Right: Why “Same-Sex Marriage” is Wrongheaded”
Lord have Mercy on us all.
Saint Michael the Archangel protect this courageous Archbishop.:knight2:
May Our Lady protect, guide him through this storm.
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oneofmany
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The gay agenda in full force----
I was switching channels tonight on TV and came across a program—not sure what the name of it was----but I caught a small part of it. A woman came up to a man who was probably a therapist. She wanted him to see if her son was gay. He told her to just ask him and she said she had but he said no but she has noticed his feminine ways and he is artistic, he is so gay in all he does so he just might be gay and she wanted to know.
She said, "you know 1 out of 10 are gay and I have 10 children so I think he could be gay. It was like she wanted him to be gay. Then she said what really threw me, “A boy came out as gay at Mass last Sunday and the priest had us all applaud for him.” WOW, this on prime time TV, no wonder our kids are confused. Indoctrination is what is happening on TV and in our schools.
We need to pray.
I was switching channels tonight on TV and came across a program—not sure what the name of it was----but I caught a small part of it. A woman came up to a man who was probably a therapist. She wanted him to see if her son was gay. He told her to just ask him and she said she had but he said no but she has noticed his feminine ways and he is artistic, he is so gay in all he does so he just might be gay and she wanted to know.
She said, "you know 1 out of 10 are gay and I have 10 children so I think he could be gay. It was like she wanted him to be gay. Then she said what really threw me, “A boy came out as gay at Mass last Sunday and the priest had us all applaud for him.” WOW, this on prime time TV, no wonder our kids are confused. Indoctrination is what is happening on TV and in our schools.
We need to pray.
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SavannahGal
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Wow. The Archdiocese, and its supporters in this effort to enforce these morality clauses on teachers, are certainly doing a fine job of playing the victim. What seems to be missing is the acknowledgement that Archbishop Cordileone is the one who instigated this conflict, that has caused teachers to feel that their jobs are in jeopardy. A little honesty about that would be utterly refreshing.
This insistence that this new language does “not introduce anything essentially new” and is “not intended to target teachers for dismissal” is shamefully dishonest, as that is precisely the reason these “clarifications” are being insisted upon. After all, if it’s not introducing anything new, why is there any need for clarification, unless the Archbishop has noted problems with teachers in diocesan schools that cannot be handled to his satisfaction under the current language? The message is that if you have any hesitance in your acceptance of Catholic teaching, you’re job may be in jeopardy. Get your conscience in line with Church teaching or start looking for another job.
And if that’s what he wants, fine, but he should be honest about it. If you’re going to work in a diocesan school, you need not apply if you are not Catholic, or if you have any disagreement with Catholic doctrine. Period.
This insistence that this new language does “not introduce anything essentially new” and is “not intended to target teachers for dismissal” is shamefully dishonest, as that is precisely the reason these “clarifications” are being insisted upon. After all, if it’s not introducing anything new, why is there any need for clarification, unless the Archbishop has noted problems with teachers in diocesan schools that cannot be handled to his satisfaction under the current language? The message is that if you have any hesitance in your acceptance of Catholic teaching, you’re job may be in jeopardy. Get your conscience in line with Church teaching or start looking for another job.
And if that’s what he wants, fine, but he should be honest about it. If you’re going to work in a diocesan school, you need not apply if you are not Catholic, or if you have any disagreement with Catholic doctrine. Period.
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ARSpade
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Probably that. But I’m sympathetic to the Bishop as I have relatives in Catholic education who actively promote things against church teaching.
On the second part I quoted, one would hope that goes without saying. If you don’t want to promote Catholic values then go teach at a public school. Plenty of public schools are, after all, begging for quality teachers especially in underserved areas. But then those teachers might have to deal with poor mostly minority students with parents who can’t afford expensive tuition bills. The horror.
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zz912
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Jobs in jeopardy? He’s asking them not to publicly contradict or oppose Catholic teaching…from Catholic-school teachers. Keep repeating that sentence to yourself until you realize the absurdity of the anger from those opposed. That this is causing grief and anger is very telling.
Accusing the Archbishop of lying?
I guess you are accusing him of lying.
It’s not new, but he’s being more explicit about requirements that might have not been explicitly stated in the past.
Actually the message is not to publicly oppose or contradict Catholic teaching (from teachers in CATHOLIC schools), or get another job. And that this is shocking speaks volumes about the state of affairs in this country.
If you have a disagreement about Catholic doctrine, that you can’t remain quiet about and not contradict, the BY ALL MEANS, leave. CATHOLIC schools exist to promote CATHOLIC education. If you are going to undermine that, then GET OUT.
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pnewton
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I thought of the same thing. However, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt, and see this as the most likely explanation. Most rule changes are rooted in a real event. Such an event cannot be made know to the public, as that would be calumny. This is why our respect for the truth should steer us from using rash judgment.
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