Catholics supporting the Confederacy

[1Lord1Faith]

My friend, I am familiar with the sticks. The Civil War was many years in the making. Most people knew what was happening between the states. Although I now believe that some of the “ignorant” southerners hadn’t a clue, and their legacy lives on.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

You guys seriously underestimate the ability for news to travel.

I’m not saying it travels fast, but it travels. The coming war was talked about for years before it actually happened. There was a presidential election during which this issue was brought up. These folks were not completely cut off. They had to go into town, receive mail, go over to the mill, ask a neighbor for a favor, vote, etc. People talk.

When those officer came toward their land they knew why they were there and had an opinion about whether or not it was worth fighting over.

 

[Cruciferi]

He also watched with his own eyes as a convoy loaded with chemical weapons went into Syria, his unit was told not to pursue.

I too have heard about this. Very odd…

 

[mrsdizzyd]

There was a video that showed something similar. A warehouse full of stuff. Military officials from the first Iraq war said they were the remnants of previously destroyed WMDs. In other words, they knew they were there.

 

[Cruciferi]

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As President I shall say the truth. There’ll be Full Disclosure. It’s gonna upset a lot of people; however, everything must be made known.

And I shall do it while wearing this jacket

 

[Pup7]

Cruciferi:

So, do you believe that the only reason we invaded Iraq was for those WMD’s

This off topic, so is most everything else in this thread, but, 43 said why. He said, “He [Saddam] tried to kill my daddy [41].”

You just proved the point.

If you think it wasn’t about oil, something’s wrong. It was partially personal, partially on inaccurate info, partially about actual WMD’s, partially about oil…nothing is ever singular.

 

[Pup7]

No, we don’t - we’re just considering how fast it couldn’t travel.

 

[JanetF]

No, I’m just saying it didn’t travel with lightning speed like news today.

 

[FiveLinden]

I find it extraordinary that on issues affecting the US, other than abortion, CAF posters almost never reference relevant Church teaching (in the case of this thread, ‘just war’). Other examples are the status of Columbus as a Catholic iconic figure, use of nuclear weapons, and immigration. Are US Catholics Catholics only up to the edge of politics?

 

[JanetF]

I’ll bite. How about an actual question about any of those topics instead of a veiled insult toward US Catholics.

 

[Maximilian75]

How does just war doctrine play into any of this?

We’re talking about supporting the political cause for the formation of the Confederacy, not battle tactics or troop actions that were or were not immoral.

Politics don’t fall into the domain of Just War

 

[Kei]

A right winger on the side of Democrats as a moral decision? A rarity indeed.

It may sound bad to say, but I think many think that the civil war is mainly about state rights, and so they support state rights and think that makes it OK.

However, this is including state rights to own slaves, so clearly it doesn’t seem very catholic with the papal decree against unjust slavery.

 

[Rasoleil]

I’m sure that when the Confederacy started the draft ( yes, there was a Confederate draft), that the draft board and military didn’t exclude rural areas, even those up in the hills. I don’t think that the Confederate military would ignore any men of draft age, even up in the hills. What I mean is, is that if there were people who didn’t know about the war, which I doubt, they certainly would have found out eventually.

 

[Entwhistler]

I don’t know. We have some hills down here in the South.

Plus, even if they were found, they didn’t have much choice on the matter since they got drafted. Furthermore, a Yankee army was about to invade so even if you didn’t like it, you had to fight or else the Union Army would descend on the South. Like it did later on in the War.

 

[Rasoleil]

I think that many are still fighting the war, at least in their heads. I’m a Southerner, and I know many people, know of many people, and even people I don’t know, from the South who harbor deep resentment because the South lost the war. I’ve heard people call Abraham Lincoln a tyrant and a war criminal and this is only recently. And there are some, and among the group I just mentioned, who are not only still fighting the 'Lost Cause", but also are intent that the South will rise again in their hopes for a new Confederacy. These same people will also tell blacks and anyone who knows about the institution of slavery and it’s lasting effects even to this day to “get over it” and that it was so long ago,to forget the past etc. will wave their Confederate Battle flags in a show of their Southern and Confederate heritage. You’ll often here the phrase: “Heritage, not Hate”, but they’ll go ballistic if you tell ‘them’ to “get over it” or that it was so long ago and to forget the past. These people are adamant in celebrating their Southern heritage, the Confederacy, but are quick to tell blacks that they cannot or shouldn’t celebrate their own heritage or to even suggest that slavery was the primary factor of the war.

 

[Rasoleil]

True, there were other causes of the Civil War besides slavery, but I’ll point anyone to several source documents that will show proof that the main cause of the Civil War was slavery. All one has to do is to look up the primary source of the Declaration of Causes of the Seceding States. Five Confederate States: Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Georgia lists slavery as the cause for their secession. For example, Texas mentions slavery in it’s declaration a full 21 times. Yes, 21 times.
In addition, and here’s another primary source document: The Confederate States Constitution. The Confederate Constitution states that slavery and maintaining it’s continuing existence depended on the Southern states leaving the Union. The right to own slaves was a right guaranteed in the Confederate Constitution. Here’s a little quote from it so demonstrate how important slavery was to them: " Our New Constitution …it’s foundations are laid, it’s cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition". And all of the above are just a few examples of why slavery was the primary cause of the Civil War.

 

[AlNg]

What do you think the invasion of Iraq was about?

It was all about oil.
“Of course it’s about oil; we can’t really deny that,” said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.” Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: “People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are.”
Before the 2003 American invasion of Iraq, Iraq’s domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. Now, after the American invasion, the oil industry is mostly privatized and dominated by foreign firms. Now the profits go to the big foreign oil companies and American interests, instead of as it was before, when all the oil profits stayed in Iraq to benefit the Iraqi people. It is too bad that so many people, including women and children, were killed, but the overriding goal is the huge profits of the big oil companies and American interests. Americans need oil to drive their cars, SUV’s and trucks.