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The reason why vaccines that don’t use human cell lines haven’t been developed is lack of $$$.
If we Catholics truly…TRULY…want to push for the development of vaccines with no moral issues, then we need to be willing to chip in the bucks to the research facilities.
I’m not saying this to be a smart aleck or to belittle the “non-vaccinators.” I think it should be a legitimate project for the Catholic Church in the U.S.–raising funds through our local parishes that would go to research facilities and researchers who would use those funds to develop vaccines that do not use the cell lines of aborted fetuses.
If we Catholics truly…TRULY…want to push for the development of vaccines with no moral issues, then we need to be willing to chip in the bucks to the research facilities.
I’m not saying this to be a smart aleck or to belittle the “non-vaccinators.” I think it should be a legitimate project for the Catholic Church in the U.S.–raising funds through our local parishes that would go to research facilities and researchers who would use those funds to develop vaccines that do not use the cell lines of aborted fetuses.
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Corki
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That’s only a small part of the problem. When last I checked, there were only 2 of the long list of “required” childhood vaccines that were not also available from a morally required source and one of those is Chicken Pox, a vaccine that is widely debated for lots of reasons besides the source of the vaccine itself. In almost all cases, a patient (or parent) can request a different manufacturer’s vaccine be given and not have to deal with the ethical problems of aborted child sources. There is no ethical issue with human lines, only those lines that are obtained immorally (ie from abortions).
A coordinated effort to increase awareness of these ethically sourced vaccines should be a priority, not just of the Church but of everyone. Parents should have information so that they can make informed choices.
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ProVobis
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Precisely.
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ChurchSoldier
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“Common good” seems to be a justification used to take away other freedoms as well.
If vaccines work, then people should not be effected generally speaking by those not vaccinated. The non vaccinated get what they get what they get for not getting them.
The biggest concern I have heard is not really about efficacy or danger of the vaccine itself, but concern of governments forcing compliance. The CDC is not about public health, it is about paying back pharmaceutical companies.
Look at it this way, last Presidential election the 2 candidates spent $2,000,000,000 to get a job that pays $400,000 per year. Someone wants payback for their portion of the 1,999,600,000.
Those contributors want their two billion worth of value. The only way to get it is to promote and/or force compliance of the general public. This isn’t just pharma, it’s weapons manufacturers, insurance companies, healthcare, or anything else the government has or wants control over.
If vaccines work, then people should not be effected generally speaking by those not vaccinated. The non vaccinated get what they get what they get for not getting them.
The biggest concern I have heard is not really about efficacy or danger of the vaccine itself, but concern of governments forcing compliance. The CDC is not about public health, it is about paying back pharmaceutical companies.
Look at it this way, last Presidential election the 2 candidates spent $2,000,000,000 to get a job that pays $400,000 per year. Someone wants payback for their portion of the 1,999,600,000.
Those contributors want their two billion worth of value. The only way to get it is to promote and/or force compliance of the general public. This isn’t just pharma, it’s weapons manufacturers, insurance companies, healthcare, or anything else the government has or wants control over.
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genevieve2K
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Just curious, when did you check, what are the 2 vaccines, and what is your source? Because everything I read says there are 3: rubella, hep A, and varicella. Thanks.
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Corki
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I used Children of God for Life as my source. I don’t recommend their site but they keep up to date on the vaccine availability issue. The only ones they list with no ethical alternative, updated Jan 2015 are varicella and shingles as well as a respiratory immunization that I have never seen on the list of “required” vaccines. Some of the alternates are not available in all countries. But that doesn’t mean they **couldn’t be **if there was a demand for them.
That’s why I said education was key. If parents were requesting the ethical vaccines, doctors would get them and drug companies would market them.
Suudy
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When we approached our doctor years ago about this, she told us the lead time on many of these ethical alternatives was pretty long. She requested at least 6 months notice of requested alternatives prior to the schedule administration.
The other problem was that some of the alternatives were barred in the US (or perhaps just in WA, I can’t remember). They could be acquired in Canada, but it was illegal to administer them at her office. Lacking an alternative…
Now, it turns out that our insurance covered the alternatives. But I suppose it is also possible that some would be unable to pay for the alternative, especially in those cases where Medicaid would only cover the basic option.
The other problem was that some of the alternatives were barred in the US (or perhaps just in WA, I can’t remember). They could be acquired in Canada, but it was illegal to administer them at her office. Lacking an alternative…
Now, it turns out that our insurance covered the alternatives. But I suppose it is also possible that some would be unable to pay for the alternative, especially in those cases where Medicaid would only cover the basic option.
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gam197
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I’ve read that Japan has a MMR that is fine.
About 9 years ago, I was able to get the MMR from a pharmacy in Connecticut without a problem. They were single shots so I just left out the Rubella which has the tainted cell line.
This was so easy to do. I just ordered the shots with a credit card and had them sent to me.
My doctor then administer them.
It cost approximately $100.00.
Since that time, Merck has done away with single shots. Shame.
About 9 years ago, I was able to get the MMR from a pharmacy in Connecticut without a problem. They were single shots so I just left out the Rubella which has the tainted cell line.
This was so easy to do. I just ordered the shots with a credit card and had them sent to me.
My doctor then administer them.
It cost approximately $100.00.
Since that time, Merck has done away with single shots. Shame.
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genevieve2K
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I use Children of God too, and according to their info (cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf), currently in the United States there are no ethical alternatives for varicella, hepatitis A, and rubella. Although it is true that ethical alternatives do exist for rubella and hep A, most American parents are not able to take their children to Japan or Europe to get a vaccine. So while we can and should protest and petition for the ethical rubella and hep A to be available here, in the meantime there are effectively no alternatives to those shots in the US.
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pnewton
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With regard to the ethical consideration, I note that the article quotes the Pontifical Council for Life:
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epower
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There are those in the medical community who believe that vaccines offer little or no benefit.
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pnewton
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I do not believe they are a significant voice. When one looks up any group, agency or medical organization that is established and is engaged in all fields of medicine (not just organized for anti-vax purposes) the opinion is unanimous. If one is doubtful, then simply look at the number of polio, smallpox and rubella cases over the century as vaccinations became universal, and before this antivax thing started.
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Shin
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Reportedly according to the CDC the recorded number of deaths from measles in the U.S.A. since the year of Our Lord 2004 is . . .
None at all.
The reported # of deaths from the measles vaccine?
Over one hundred.
This doesn’t of course account for the number of people simply crippled by the vaccines for the rest of their lives.
None at all.
The reported # of deaths from the measles vaccine?
Over one hundred.
This doesn’t of course account for the number of people simply crippled by the vaccines for the rest of their lives.
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pnewton
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Here is the SNOPES report explaining this internet rumor:
snopes.com/politics/medical/mmrdeaths.asp
If we went the way of the Third World and everyone quit vaccinations, this is what we would face:
cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html
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Shin
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I see, so the article overlooked four people – instead of zero the number is reportedly four people in the U.S.
Hmm…
Hmm…
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Shin
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Reading the news reports a little further it seems the CDC is putting out conflicting information, both zero and 4 are out there in different published reports.
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