Catholics VS Health Care in America: Morally Embarrassing

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Swiss_Guy said:
This whole thread hinges upon the fact that only in America Catholics are divided about health care. Just saying. :cool:
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I am just curious, do most other universal government healthcare plans pay for abortions?
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LemonAndLime said:
Doesn’t prove causality. 🤷 On that basis, religion = bad healthcare if you take the entire middle east into account.

I wouldn’t say you started from 0. Britain spent an awful lot of money in giving you lot a good start in life, an like a unthanked parent we sit back waiting for money back, while teenage US keeps coming back asking for money, weapons, etc. Sigh.
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Haha your right because most of the immigrants were people looking to escape being under the thumb of the King to begin with. If the King hadn’t walked all over people’s religious freedom it would have changed what kinds of people were moving to the New Colony. Because of his policies though he scared off all the people who had a problem with him so they all ended up in the same place with a ocean in between them and the Kings hand haha.

In any event if brought to fruition the vision of people like Locke and Montesquieu for a country based in God given inalienable rights and a foundation for a country based in natural law. A government that recognizes its not the creator of rights, but rather the protector of the ones that God has given us.

Also I don’t care if it doesn’t prove causality. It provides all the motivation I need to work to make sure our country never becomes like countries in Europe.
 
Nate13 said:
Haha your right because most of the immigrants were people looking to escape being under the thumb of the King to begin with. If the King hadn’t walked all over people’s religious freedom it would have changed what kinds of people were moving to the New Colony. Because of his policies though he scared off all the people who had a problem with him so they all ended up in the same place with a ocean in between them and the Kings hand haha.

In any event if brought to fruition the vision of people like Locke and Montesquieu for a country based in God given inalienable rights and a foundation for a country based in natural law. A government that recognizes its not the creator of rights, but rather the protector of the ones that God has given us.
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Again, this whole “we’re the chosen nation of God” rubbish coming out again. So is everyone else. No one owns God.
Also I don’t care if it doesn’t prove causality. It provides all the motivation I need to work to make sure our country never becomes like countries in Europe.
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I know! I mean, heck, whatever good came out of Europe!

Modern culture and civilisation, the language you use, the religion you adhere to, and democracy.

I wouldn’t continue this line of argument. 😉
 
LemonAndLime said:
Again, this whole “we’re the chosen nation of God” rubbish coming out again. So is everyone else. No one owns God.

I know! I mean, heck, whatever good came out of Europe!

Modern culture and civilisation, the language you use, the religion you adhere to, and democracy.

I wouldn’t continue this line of argument. 😉
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How did you come up with that he said that the U.S. is the chosen nation of God?
 
dmelosi said:
How did you come up with that he said that the U.S. is the chosen nation of God?
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This quote from Nate13 -
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Nate13:
n any event if brought to fruition the vision of people like Locke and Montesquieu for a country based in God given inalienable rights and a foundation for a country based in natural law. A government that recognizes its not the creator of rights, but rather the protector of the ones that God has given us.
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dmelosi said:
Why twist when it is obvious that is not what he said.
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At the very least it seems as if he wants the American legal system to be intrinsically bound to the authority of Catholic law. Am i wrong?
 
LemonAndLime said:
Again, this whole “we’re the chosen nation of God” rubbish coming out again. So is everyone else. No one owns God.
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I’m proud to be under a government that knows where our rights truly come from and knows its place (although it has its times…).
I know! I mean, heck, whatever good came out of Europe!
Modern culture and civilisation, the language you use, the religion you adhere to, and democracy.
I wouldn’t continue this line of argument. 😉
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I have a problem with the ruling philosophy in Europe now. All those things you mentioned came from a Europe before your time and before mine. I don’t want to be like Europe is now. In the past European people used to recognize the importance of religion. I can appreciate a Europe with G.K Chesterton common sense. Europe left his way of thinking somewhere in the dust of rampant secularism though.
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
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You are confused? Read it again and see where what she accused was said. I don’t mean what she tried to say it said, but it really said.

I asked earlier to another person, maybe you can answer. Is abortion paid for in government health plans in other countries?
 
LemonAndLime said:
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You can take offense at whatever your reading into there if you want…

I don’t believe our nation was “chosen by God” like the Israelite’s were God’s chosen people lol. I said what I meant to say, and I meant what I said…
 
Nate13 said:
I’m proud to be under a government that knows where our rights truly come from and knows its place (although it has its times…).
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A govement that allows people to go without the bennefits of the NHS.:rolleyes:
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
:confused:

At the very least it seems as if he wants the American legal system to be intrinsically bound to the authority of Catholic law. Am i wrong?
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I would think that all good Catholics would want that. Is that wrong?

I ask you again, is abortion covered under your universal government health plan?
 
dmelosi said:
I would think that all good Catholics would want that. Is that wrong?

I ask you again, is abortion covered under your universal government health plan?
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Funding of NHS abortion services differs in various parts of the country. The level of NHS provision ranges from more than 90% of local demand to less than 60%.
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In some areas, the NHS will pay for abortions at private clinics, but in other areas you may need to pay for an abortion in a private clinic
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nhs.uk/conditions/Abortion/Pages/Introduction.aspx
Contraceptive advice and supplies are available free on the NHS through GPs and family planning clinics.
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You can get emergency contraception, for example, the morning-after pill, from your GP, family planning clinics, most NHS walk-in centres and some pharmacies.
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Free advice and supplies are also available from some voluntary organisations, for example, the British Pregnancy Advisory Service ((New window) www.bpas.org.uk). In Wales, free emergency contraception is also available from some pharmacies.
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adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/health_index_ew/what_health_care_can_i_get_on_the_nhs.htm
 
dmelosi said:
I asked earlier to another person, maybe you can answer. Is abortion paid for in government health plans in other countries?
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Its irelivant, because the legal right to abortion is determined on other grounds that have nothing to do with the existence and value of the NHS in general. I will always support the NHS regardless of what a govement erronously imposes as law.

That abortions happen is not in my opinion a justfied excuse to oppose the NHS.
 
dmelosi said:
I am just curious, do most other universal government healthcare plans pay for abortions?
Thanks
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That is an incredibly weak excuse for denying health care in a democratic society to those are too poor to afford it… :eek:
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
It’s irrelevant, because the legal right to abortion is determined on other grounds that have nothing to do with the existence of the NHS in general. I will always support the NHS regardless of what a government erroneously imposes as law.

That abortions happen is not in my opinion a justified excuse to oppose the NHS.
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Great minds think alike! Our posts were simultaneous… 😉
 
dmelosi said:
Thanks, I was assuming the others were to embarrassed say so is the reason they didn’t reply. At least I hope that is the reason they did not.

In my opinion that is the singe biggest reason we do not want this health care plan that was jammed on us. As the deacon in the homily said today, it is a slippery slope.
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It’s a slippery slope to the first Christian community in which everyone shared what they had and helped one another…👍
 
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