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Gaber
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You might be more easily understood if you capitalised NARAL or spelled out National Abortion Rights Action League.
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tonyrey
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It is wrong to deprive needy people of free health care on the ground that the government will pass another law which is contrary to one’s beliefs and values. In a democracy one shouldn’t attempt to impose one’s beliefs and values on others but respect their God-given rights to choose what to believe and how to live provided that they do not contravene the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. If they are determined to have an abortion nothing will stop them even it means going abroad or to a back street practitioner. In the meantime men, women and children are suffering and dying due to lack of proper medical treatment.
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dmelosi
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Look at your law. Look at how you have accepted this mass killing.
I cannot believe that Catholics are suggesting that we give up the fighting on all fronts on abortion.
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Gaber
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Perfectly accurate, cogently, and brilliantly stated. Thanks for voicing sanity on this issue.
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dmelosi
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Do you think the millions of the most innocent whose lives were ended would agree with you?Perfectly accurate, cogently, and brilliantly stated. Thanks for voicing sanity on this issue.
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tonyrey
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tonyrey
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They will be ended regardless of whatever health system is in place. You can’t force women to have a baby if they’ve made up their mind to get rid of him or her. I’m appalled just as much as you are by abortions but we have to be realistic in a secular society. It’s a waste of time pining for the past and living in a dream world…
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dmelosi
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Oh I see your reasoning, can’t beat them join them?
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tonyrey
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You have failed to refute the points I have made and your rhetorical question fails to further the discussion in any way whatsoever…
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dmelosi
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Refute the claim about big business? Come on.
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tonyrey
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- Do you deny that many abortions will be performed regardless of whatever health system is in place?
- Do you deny that you can’t force women to have a baby if they’ve made up their mind to get rid of him or her?
- Do you deny that there are immense profits made out of medical treatment?
- Do you deny that one shouldn’t attempt to impose one’s beliefs and values on others but respect their God-given rights to choose what to believe and how to live?
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dmelosi
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This is really a silly question. You appear to be justifying your stance by saying many abortions instead of “as” many abortions. I think you know the answer that more people would do something if their were no cost rather than if they had to pay for it.
Of course not, but read my answer to your first silly question, applies here as well.
Substitute slavery for abortion. If something is wrong it is wrong and should be fought and not joining the “wrong” side and helping to make it seem right.
I have a question for you…Do you realize that your church says that it is killing a human being? You say you are against it, yet you are an apologist for those that openly promote i.
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tonyrey
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Gaber
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You speak rightly. and we pay twice as much as the next most expensive country for the privilege of going bankrupt through medical expenses where they can at least remain sovent. And so on. I’ve posted it alll before.
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levinas12
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Do you have an estimate for the number of these men, women and children?
With Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, the VA, the Department of Defense, and individual State health care programs, the US is spending **trillions **of dollars on health care for those who can’t afford it. This is a huge health care safety net.
Moreover, 85% of Americans are satisfied with their health care. Do you have a comparable statistic for the UK?
With respect to proper medical treatment, I wonder how long you have to wait for an MRI in the UK?
What’s the coverage for orphan drugs in the UK? for the most effective chemotherapy drugs? for dialysis? for bone marrow transplants? for organ transplants (e.g., kidney, liver, lung)? for joint replacements (e.g., hip, knee)? And how long do you have to wait for these treatments and procedures?
What are the survival rates for ESRD patients in the UK? for cancer patients? for heart attack victims?
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levinas12
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I meant to add that the US has the best hospitals in the world. And the poor have incredible access to these hospitals due to the very generous safety net mentioned in the above posting (#841).
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dmelosi
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The problem with your arguments are that you are speaking from another country and do not have the first hand experience to see that almost all of what you are saying has very little truth to it.
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tarboy
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Dang, those are some special ‘rose colored’ glasses you are wearing
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No - commerce has always been a part of medical care. competition is proven to limit wast and profits.
Yes, have you no clue on how laws, (which impose restrictions and thus values on others), are created? It seems you are fin with whatevcer the majority chooses.
Wherever there is money, there is big business. So they are involved whether the doctor is private or public. And Govt is the biggest business of all.
No, I can’t force women to have a baby, or a meth head to stop his habit, etc. etc. Are arguing that when things are common, they are no longer a sin?
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No - commerce has always been a part of medical care. competition is proven to limit wast and profits.
Yes, have you no clue on how laws, (which impose restrictions and thus values on others), are created? It seems you are fin with whatevcer the majority chooses.
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austenbosten
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What’s morally embarrassing is that there are Christians who embrace the philosophy of a drunk, fanatical anti-Christian, family-neglecting, adulating, Atheistic German bum. :sad_yes:
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tonyrey
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