Well let me rephrase that, Joseph Smith made stuff up. I know this is mormon theology, it is made up. It is not taught anywhere else but your mormon church. It was not taught by the Apostles. It was not taught in the early Church. It has never been taught, EVER. Until Joseph Smith came along.
It is not a restoration, it is an invention.
and how about your not take scripture verses out of context?
18 For Christ also suffered
5 for sins once, the righteous for the sake of the unrighteous, that he might lead you to God. Put to death in the flesh, he was brought to life in the spirit. 19 In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison,
6 20 who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. 21
This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.
Peter was talking about a very select group of people, those who were not saved by the Old Covenant. It says NOTHING about proxy baptisms. And no where does Jesus or an Apostle teach that baptisms for the dead SHOULD be performed. Let alone that it is necessary.
Rebecca Rebecca. I know you are a sincere seeker of truth because I have felt your spirit. But if I had not known that at this point I would think you have gone for the dark side. It seems like you are deliberately distorting here.
First, I cited two verses. Maybe that was not clear from the way the citation was made. Your point about baptism is a distortion of the verse. YES it is talking about those who were saved in Noah’s time. But the line about baptism is totally about something else.
I’ll even use your translation:
“20 who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. 21 This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”
WHAT is the “THIS” which prefigured baptism?
The ark, in which people were saved BY WATER
This has nothing to do with work for the dead, but it is about
baptism
I cited the scripture to show that the gospel was preached to the dead. You have correctly pointed out that the scripture is about those who died in old testament times. BUT IT STILL SHOWS THAT THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED TO THE DEAD and your emphasis of the baptism part has nothing to do with that.
Secondly, I posted
another reference, which is in the chapter following this one, 1 Peter 4.
I will use your translation, which I think is clearer than the KJV:
**1 Peter
Chapter 4
1
1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same attitude (for whoever suffers in the flesh has broken with sin),
2
so as not to spend what remains of one’s life in the flesh on human desires, but on the will of God.
3
For the time that has passed is sufficient for doing what the Gentiles like to do: living in debauchery, evil desires, drunkenness, orgies, carousing, and wanton idolatry.
4
They are surprised that you do not plunge into the same swamp of profligacy, and they vilify you;
5
but they will give an account to him who stands ready to judge the living and the dead.
6
For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead 2 that, though condemned in the flesh in human estimation, they might live in the spirit in the estimation of God. **
Note verse 6:
For this is why the gospel was PREACHED TO THE DEAD 2
See that foot note 2?
If you go to that footnote IN YOUR BIBLE it says the following:
2 [6] The dead: these may be the sinners of the flood generation who are possibly referred to in 1 Peter 3:19.
But many scholars think that there is no connection between these two verses, and that the dead here are Christians who have died since hearing the preaching of the gospel.
usccb.org/nab/bible/1peter/1peter4.htm#foot2
The gospel was preached to the dead, despite the gates of hades, which did not prevail against the church preaching the gospel there. Even though much has been lost from the bible there are still hints of the truth that did not get removed.
Even though, as you point out incessantly, it is a “Catholic Book”
Another fragment is 1 Corinthians 15:29:
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13 14 Otherwise, what will people accomplish by having themselves baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are they having themselves baptized for them?
I like your translation better than ours. Go ahead and look at your own foot notes too. It says that Paul is listing “logical inconsistencies” in #13, but I don’t see any in the text.
This of course is a fragment of a fractured bible which shows that there were ordinances performed for the dead as well.
The gospel was preached to the dead, and the gates of hades did not prevail against the church doing so.
