Catholics VS. Protestants?

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TarAshly:
i agree but a question. is it still that way? why do we have to be so solo? i had a friend of mine the other day compare catholocism to an exclusive fraterinity, do we seclude ourselves or are we truly open to the thoughts and ideas of other people?
As long as we are human, it will be this way. We can all strive to be understanding and tolerant. As a non-Catholic, I have found Catholics that I can get along with and agree with on some issues. We can agree to disagree on others. Through it all, you can remain faithful to your beliefs while remaining faithful to friendship and brotherhood. It doesn’t have to be win-lose. It can be win-win if you let it be so.

I’m afraid all our issues will still divide us into different church buildings. But, I believe we are all baptized into Christ. We are all baptized into the same body. But, some will say that we are divided. Yes, we are. But, we are also connected. It depends on your perception. I want to focus on our similarities, not our differences.

Peace…
 
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TarAshly:
i guess my point is how do we expect to bring people into our ways if we are so intimidating and cold to anyone or anything different?i just feel that its time for a different approach. to make people feel like family, like church is a second home to them, a place to feel welcomed, and to feel a sense of belonging. i believe thats what Christ would want, even he loved sinners. he humbled himself to wash their feet.
You can be the shining light. You can be the comfort someone is needing.
 
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TarAshly:
i’ve just seen to many leave the RCIA and the church because they felt like they could not be forgiven for past sins. not by God but by his people. its just sad. thats all.
Then there was some dang poor catechesis going on in that room. I’ve been involved in RCIA for several years, and none have left the program.

Again, just like that last several threads, you keep baiting people with this forgiveness routine. It’s old. We’ve answered you, and you refuse to accept or even acknowledge the answers. What don’t you understand?

Time to move on.
 
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ahimsaman72:
As long as we are human, it will be this way. We can all strive to be understanding and tolerant. As a non-Catholic, I have found Catholics that I can get along with and agree with on some issues. We can agree to disagree on others. Through it all, you can remain faithful to your beliefs while remaining faithful to friendship and brotherhood. It doesn’t have to be win-lose. It can be win-win if you let it be so.

I’m afraid all our issues will still divide us into different church buildings. But, I believe we are all baptized into Christ. We are all baptized into the same body. But, some will say that we are divided. Yes, we are. But, we are also connected. It depends on your perception. I want to focus on our similarities, not our differences.

Peace…
that was truly beautiful and clear! thank you i think you just answered my question.
 
Barrister i dont understand why you respond if your angry im trying to get answers you dont have to post here. 🙂 and i think ahimsam answered it perfectly for me. thank you.
 
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TarAshly:
that was truly beautiful and clear! thank you i think you just answered my question.
Glad I could help, sister. We have the choice to love or hate. We have the choice to divide and conquer or unite and stand together. There are far too many things going on in the world that we should be doing for God besides living by our rules of division. We can love each other and those around us.

Some will ridicule me for this kind of statement as being wishy-washy or dreamy or tolerant ignorance. I have proven in my own life that unity is possible.

Peace and blessings…
 
youre not wishy washy your kind and tolerant and what the church needs more of! :clapping:
 
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TarAshly:
Barrister i dont understand why you respond if your angry im trying to get answers you dont have to post here. 🙂 and i think ahimsam answered it perfectly for me. thank you.
I’m glad he/she could give you an answer you either wanted to hear, or found acceptable to your view of Catholic theology.

But it’s not consistent with Catholic doctrine.

I thought you wanted something out of Catholic theology. I stand corrected. Peace.
 
La Chiara:
I beg to differ. You are the one who is saying that “we are so intimidating and cold to anyone or anything different”. My parish has lots of converts every year so Catholicism must not be that intimidating. What you describe is a very Protestant approach–social “fellowship”. But that is why so many members of the same congregation don’t necessarily agree with the doctrine of that denomination or why so many congregations are just loose groups of people in fellowship but not in agreement theologically. I sense that you are a convert who has not fully embraced what your new faith stands for. I do hope you grow in our Catholic faith and learn to love it for what it is.
Why do you seem to hate protestants?
 
Tar Ashley, it’s called bigotry. I think it’s awfully hypocritical that some Catholics will cry “Anti Catholic bigotry!” and then practice anti Protestant bigotry. I believes that’s called hypocrisy.
Again, I would not let the Dr. Laura wind up toys, here, affect your walk with The Church. As in any group there are a few bad apples.
 
thanks lily im not trying to offend anyone im simply trying to bring an issue to light that is causing us to lose a lot of people.
 
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TarAshly:
youre not wishy washy your kind and tolerant and what the church needs more of! :clapping:
Thank you for your kindness. I sense a beautiful friendship…😉 😃 !

Seriously, I would be glad to exchange thoughts and beliefs with you. As I said before, it is possible to do so with love. May our paths continue to meet.

God bless…
 
The Barrister:
I’m glad he/she could give you an answer you either wanted to hear, or found acceptable to your view of Catholic theology.

But it’s not consistent with Catholic doctrine.

I thought you wanted something out of Catholic theology. I stand corrected. Peace.
Barrister, while I agree with you, I’ve gotta say that you a quite caustic in you’re replies buddy! I think you’re doing a little baiting yourself. I’m tired of all of the threads I participate in getting closed :banghead: The next thing that’s going to happen is that Tar will come back with some annoyed response (if it hasn’t happened as I type) and then somebody who hates to see people fighting will run to the moderator and the thread will be shut down.

Tar, this statement is leading toward Relativism:
i think and see and feel things that may or may not go 100% along with the doctrines and according to my priest thats ok God made me that way.
It is quite fine to not understand the Church’s teachings. Heck, I don’t understand them all. However, it is not OK to not go along with the Church’s teachings on Faith and Morals. If your priest told you that was fine to not go along with Church teachings because God made you this way then he is wrong. Take Adam and Eve for example. God gave them rules to follow and they blew it. I don’t think “you made me that way” flew with God.

Our Church does not have a different set of rules for some and a different set of rules for others. We all have the same rules and suffer the consequences for not going along with them. We don’t get to interpret the rules. God gave us the Magisterium to interpret the rules so we wouldn’t be wandering all over the map, all heading in different directions.

I think what your Protestant friends may want is someone to say that they are right to be Protestant. While we do share some truths with the Protestants, they do not have the complete faith and God does want them to be in the Catholic Church. He doesn’t want them to “protest” the fullness of the Faith. To answer your question - Yes, Catholicism is the only way to find fullness in the Faith. While grabbing your Protestant friends and banging their heads against the wall is probably not the best way, we also cannot deny that the Catholic Church is the One True Faith.

Why are we right and they are wrong? Quite simply they have rejected the Church that Christ established. They pick and choose what they want to believe based on what they want to do in their lives.

I’ve worked with Protestants since I was 16 in the pro-life arena. I love finding common ground because many conversions to the Church have come from doing this. I’ve seen people who hated the Catholic Church because what their Church has taught them about Catholics come to love us because we were able to dispell their misconceptions. This would have never happened without finding some common ground.

That said, the word “tolerate” bugs me to death. There’s not one place in the bible where Christ teaches us to tolerate anything separating us from Him. Protestants are separted from Him in some aspects whether we like it or not. I do have hope that someday this will be resolved but it won’t be by denying articles of the One True Faith.

Gotta take a nap!
 
Caustic?

No offense, but you are misled, coming in as it were at the end of the conversation. Take a look at the earlier responses.

To StephiePea: where do you see “hate” anywhere in La Chiara’s post? Where? Don’t go picking fights based on your presumptions and prejudices.
 
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bear06:
That said, the word “tolerate” bugs me to death. There’s not one place in the bible where Christ teaches us to tolerate anything separating us from Him. Protestants are separted from Him in some aspects whether we like it or not. I do have hope that someday this will be resolved but it won’t be by denying articles of the One True Faith.

Gotta take a nap!
Bear, I don’t understand why “tolerate” is such a burr to some. I tolerate Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, even Pentecostals 🙂 . That doesn’t mean I sleep in the same bed with them. I can appreciate their thoughts and value them as people while at the same time disagreeing with their thoughts and beliefs. That’s what I call “tolerate”.

For instance, I am a Southern Baptist. But, I can appreciate parts of Catholic theology. I can appreciate (are you ready for this?) some Buddhist theology. I can appreciate some Islamic theology. Each religion/school has something to offer. They offer unique ways of looking at your doctrines or beliefs. It can even enhance your understanding of a doctrine or belief.

I have studied (on my own) many Christian denominations, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and other minor religions. I have to say that their views strike me as odd. But, their views make me look at my faith in a different way. We have so much persecution going on around the world today. We have different religions and cultures fighting over beliefs.

May we find our similarities and fight the Devil together.
 
The Barrister said:
Caustic?

No offense, but you are misled, coming in as it were at the end of the conversation. Take a look at the earlier responses.

To StephiePea: where do you see “hate” anywhere in La Chiara’s post? Where? Don’t go picking fights based on your presumptions and prejudices.

Look at what I wrote. I’ve seen the last few go arounds with you and Tar on the other threads and they weren’t pretty. I’d like to actually have this conversation continue. Late to the game argument is lame. I don’t think I threw that out when you entered into the other conversation I was involved in on the one of many threads that was shut down. Anyone can read through the thread and figure out what’s going on.

Like I said, I think your arguments are right but they do come across as foaming at the mouth :whacky: . You pretty much know what her responses and arguments are. If they make you plumb irate then add her to your ignore list.
 
P.S. Barr, I doubt you mean them to come across that way but keep in mind these posts don’t always express our sentiment.
 
La Chiara:
I beg to differ. You are the one who is saying that “we are so intimidating and cold to anyone or anything different”. My parish has lots of converts every year so Catholicism must not be that intimidating. What you describe is a very Protestant approach–social “fellowship”. But that is why so many members of the same congregation don’t necessarily agree with the doctrine of that denomination or why so many congregations are just loose groups of people in fellowship but not in agreement theologically. I sense that you are a convert who has not fully embraced what your new faith stands for. I do hope you grow in our Catholic faith and learn to love it for what it is.
As a soon to be former Protestant, I am surprised to hear that Catholics are seen as cold and intimidating. One of the things that drew me to the Church was hearing the story of a convert (her father was a UCC minister!) who said that the over riding message is love one another as God loves you. Not love just those who agree, look, act like you. I found in my Protestant church there was less acceptance of differences although it was a relatively liberal denomination.

It was as LaChiara said more of a social group with theological overtones. The service was 40 minutes of talking heads (announcements, greeting guests, sharing joys and concerns. etc) Very little focus on worship.

There are many great things about Protestant churches but there wasn’t enough there there.
Lisa N
 
Tar Ashley, it’s called bigotry. I think it’s awfully hypocritical that some Catholics will cry “Anti Catholic bigotry!” and then practice anti Protestant bigotry. I believes that’s called hypocrisy.
Could you elaborate a bit? What do you consider “anti Protestant bigotry?”
 
So, who is gonna win? Catholics or protestants… Just kidding. After reading some comments, I have a question. I have real zeal for the faith, I foam at the mouth, but i am aware this is a vice. It is very difficult to be tolerant of peoples lack of the truth, i actually care to share this faith of mine positively. but not at the expense of allowing error. Does anyone have good advice?
 
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