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From the Catholic Exchange:
*Shine!
Luke 8:17For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret
that shall not be known and come to light.
A convinced Catholic is confident that, not only will the truth of the Faith not be hidden, it can’t be hidden even if we try. After all, the Faith has been stomped into the dirt by professionals like Nero and Hitler and it’s still here, bigger and brighter than ever! So there’s no need to be nervously defensive for the Faith. On the other hand, this confidence must not lead us to complacently coasting along on a laissez faire notion that “somebody else will do the evangelizing” while we channel surf. *
***The best arguments for the Faith are Christians who shine their light. ***
***The best arguments against it are Christians who hide their light. ***
***What Nero couldn’t do by the sword, we Christians can do by a sin. ***
But what we cannot do in our own strength, the Holy Spirit can do through us if we obey Him!
St. Francis said: Preach the Gospel at all times; when necessary, use words.
Patience and humility are virtues that are learned, we aren’t born with them. When you are evangelizing be sensitive to the Holy Spirit’s prompts as to when and what to speak and when to listen carefully. Your actions and expressions will speak volumes, more than your words can say. Express your faith through your service to others, especially those that are most easily forgotten.And that’s my 2 cents :twocents:**
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bear06
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I have a temper and I tend to be very sarcastic which rarely comes across well in posts. My advice is to pray very hard to the Holy Spirit and remember that you are not trying to win and argument, you are trying to win a soul. Before I send out a post I try very hard to see if what I’ve said is going to “come back and bite me” for whatever reason. I guess you can almost equate it to the way a person plays chess. They try to see what the response to their moves are before they make them. I also try and make sure that I read the others’ post very carefully. I see a lot of anger that comes from people just not carefully reading posts and adding or deleting words.
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StephiePea
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The Barrister said:
I’m not picking any fights…and I’m not prejudices…I think that if people are going to choose to use strong accusations, such as TarAshly has not “fully embraces her faith,” that the door is open for some straight questioning.
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bear06
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Hmmm…Can one be said to have fully embraced the Faith when they are rejecting some of the doctrines (truths) of that Faith? It would seem the word fully would represent 100%. While I still screw up sometimes, I embrace all of the teachings of the Catholic Church. I mess up because I’m weak, not because I don’t believe these teachings are correct.
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JGC
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There would be no need for sermons, if our lives were shining; there would be no need for words, if we bore witness with our deeds. There would be no pagans, if we were true Christians.From the Catholic Exchange:
*Shine!
Luke 8:17
For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret
that shall not be known and come to light.
A convinced Catholic is confident that, not only will the truth of the Faith not be hidden, it can’t be hidden even if we try. After all, the Faith has been stomped into the dirt by professionals like Nero and Hitler and it’s still here, bigger and brighter than ever! So there’s no need to be nervously defensive for the Faith. On the other hand, this confidence must not lead us to complacently coasting along on a laissez faire notion that “somebody else will do the evangelizing” while we channel surf. *
***The best arguments for the Faith are Christians who shine their light. ***
***The best arguments against it are Christians who hide their light. ***
***What Nero couldn’t do by the sword, we Christians can do by a sin. ***
But what we cannot do in our own strength, the Holy Spirit can do through us if we obey Him!
St. Francis said: Preach the Gospel at all times; when necessary, use words.
And that’s my 2 cents :twocents:**
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The_Barrister
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Good response.
We do need to tone down the rhetoric. There’s no excuse for accusing a person - who was honestly and earnestly trying to help - of “hate”. Bear06 is right - when Catholics say “fully embrace your faith” we mean exactly that - a full acceptance (with or without complete understanding) of the Catholic faith. That much was clear from La Chiara’s response, but bear06 made it even more explicit.
It’s not an accusation that TarAshly has no faith; it’s simply pointing out that rejection of certain doctrinal beliefs is less than a full acceptance of the *Catholic * faith. If TA wants to be Catholic, then we are called to help her achieve that goal through increasing her understanding, knowledge and wisdom.
This is not an “us against them” issue. I’m trying to work on my less-than-perfect “charity,” and would suggest that the rest of you join me.
Praise Jesus!
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StephiePea
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Ok, but is it for us to judge someone? LaCharia didn’t like when I asked why she seemed to hate protestants. She (or he) felt I was unfairly judging her tone of writing when she answered some of the posts. I was proving a point that judging others is unfair, but she didn’t seem to get my irony. We cannot judge someone elses faith or lack of it.
And I am not saying that protestants have it all figured out. I know the fullness of faith lies in the Catholic church, but instead of whining and judging on a forum about the differences, lets go out into the world and shine our catholic light to those in darkness.
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Bryan
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This is simply answered in this way…which you will then have to figure out for yourself. All non-catholics are wrong in certain areas like the sacraments. Therefore, because the sacraments are part of the defined “works” one must take part in to go to heaven (in the Catholic view), non-catholics are in trouble. At the same time, the Catholic doctrine has stated that salvation is extended not only to non-catholics, but also non-christians.
Like I said, figure that one out for yourself.
Like I said, figure that one out for yourself.
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The_Barrister
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Let’s look at the issue of “judging” someone. When Jesus told us not to judge, he was telling us not to place a judgment on the state of someone’s soul. No one is “damning” TarAshly because of her beliefs, but we will point out where she was mistaken. Jesus’ admonition against “judging” has nothing to do with pointing out the mistakes being made by our Christian brothers and sisters. Apples and oranges. We are called, as Christians, to point out errors.
La Chiara was not judging TarAshly’s “faith,” but she was pointing out that TA had yet to fully embrace her Catholic faith.
Gently correcting our brothers and sisters is what we do. I hope this helps.
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bear06
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To eliminate going around in circles on different things, can you state the judgmental statements made?
I would agree that it’s up to God to judge souls. I think everyone here agrees with this. If someone were to say “The consecrated host is not the body and blood of Our Lord” we would clearly be able to say that there is a lack of Faith. This is far different from saying that this person is wicked. The person simply doesn’t believe, or embrace the teachings of the Faith. We have no idea what the culpability of the person might be. We have no idea what the barriers are to a lack of understanding but we can certainly say there is one. This is not uncharitable and I hope that Tar doesn’t think it is. All that we can do is restate the Church’s teachings.
I understand that not everyone gets all of the teachings. I’ve said it before - I don’t always get them. Once again, blessed are those who do not see and yet still believe! I hope everyone can come to this point because I’ve got to say, it’s amazingly peaceful to know that you can’t go wrong by following the teachings of the Church. You will always be rewarded. The only way we can go wrong is if we follow ourselves!
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Paul_Stephens
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This thread seems to have run it’s course and is being closed.
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