Hisalone still refuse to accept how ignorant he is of history. You obviously have not read reformation history or you would know by now the extent of its deformation.
Amen: He drove Von Staupez right up the wall, then nearly killed himself as a monk with the flagelium. I have great empathy for the man, and though I disagree with him I look forward to a beer with him at the Lord’s feast. A treet I think I shall be spaired with certain other “reformers.” Fortunately Luther himself remained faithful to our Lady until his dying day, mumbling in his delearium about Her and “sweet einfectugine.” Remember, the Book of Concord was written to stress that Lutherans are not Protistants. (Forgive my spelling, it’s just as bad in four other languages). By the way: As indulgences seem to be a big issue, it should be remembered that a big part of the fuss was that Tetsel was cutting into Luther’s own Elector Fredric’s business in the Pilgramage trade. Nothing in history or theology is ever black and white.
The deformation very early on started with good intentions. And as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
It is not a us against them thing for me.
Are you implying the body of Jesus Christ change which is the Catholic church? Now if you are referencing Man or men, sinners and Saints in the body of Jesus Christ these can change and repent if need too, but the body of Jesus Christ will never change.
Luther beleived it because it is TRUE!! For all of his stubborness, Luther could not deny that one fact that had been held by Christians since day one. Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist.
Your analysis confuses historical individuals in positions of authority within the Church for Church teaching authority. Individuals are sinful to greater or lesser degrees. This does not impact the authority that Christ laid upon His Church for teaching on matters of doctrine and morals.
If that’s your standard of measurement:
Lutherans are a strange people (in a nice way) if they follow their own theology. Lutheran theology is not Protistant and Luther fought hard to make that clear. The theology is far closer to non-Roman Catholic Catholic, more schesmatic than anything else when it is practiced. I disagree with Luther, but have great sympathy for the limitations of his age that prevented him from having access to the full story. As it stands, there is no closed canon of scripture or agreement as to what is and what is not a sacrement in Lutheranism. Luther didn’t care for James, but only because it doesn’t mention Grace. He called it “A Gospel of straw,” but never anathamatized it. You point out the real presence: I have little problem with Consubsteation vs Transubstanteation, though I teach only according to the Magesterium. My favorite example of what he thought of the other “reformers” is his comment upon hearing or the death in battle of Zwingley: “God had gathered to Himself a mighty man of faith. Why the hell did it take Him so long?”
When there is a problem in a marriage, is it improved by destroying it, by moving into a new relationship or by working within the established relationship to regain that which has been lost? Put a different way, did the Israelites cease being God’s chosen people through their sin? Did God not continuously call His people to repentance and holiness? Is the New Covenant not an irrevocable covenant by which God calls each of us individually and collectively to greater intimacy with Him? Is intimacy achieved by turning away from the Church established in His name by the Apostles He called?
I do agree that the Church had become distracted by its very power. If we look at the OT, we see that when the Israelites lost sight of God, He would allow His people to be taken into slavery, as prisoners and the bounty of war. When the Temple was elevated above God, it was allowed to be destroyed. In that sense, the Reformation can in fact be seen as a form of purging. What we see is confrontation between various factions and the division of the Church into different denominations.
If you have a marriage where the husband is a drunkard and beats his wife and refses to stop either then the best hting to do is for the wife to seperate.
My pastor has a heart for God so when he errs he is sensitive enough to admit his error. It is real simple repent and God recieves you for He is close to the humble and contrite of heart.If that’s your standard of measurement:
Your pastor (if you have one) is also a sinner, so why do you listen to him?
Maybe you don’t listen to anybody who has sinned. So you interpret the Bible yourself. You are a sinner too. Ergo, you should not listen to your own interpretation as well.
By this rule of yours, no one should listen to no one. No authority is acceptable.
Makes sense?
Pray tell, when did the Catholic Church lose it spiritual authority?