Catholics Will No Longer Recite 'And Also With You'

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One easy place to see the change is when the priest prays a blessing over the bread and wine.
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Here’s the old translation: “Let your Spirit come upon these gifts, to make them holy.”
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Here’s the new one: “Make holy, therefore, these gifts, we pray, by sending down your Spirit upon them like the dewfall.”
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And the familiar refrain, “Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again”? That’s been deleted. Frankly, those two changes I’m not too crazy about.
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thanks for the link. i had just heard the priest mention it in church yesterday.
there are significant changes. i am a new catholic of one month and i heard the changes won’t take place until advent of 2010, so we have awhile yet to prepare for it. LOL there will definitely be people who will probably not like some of the changes. i am just happy to be a part of the RCC, so no complaints from me.
 
The ‘new’ form of “Lord I am not worthy…” isn’t new but will be a return to what was said pre-Vatican Two!
 
All of the changes that I’ve heard about I like so far. The points you highlight both add to the Mass in my view. The first adds imagery through the simile. As for the change to the Mystery of Faith, I’ve always found the ‘familiar’ version more bland than the others, just compare the new and old option A:

“Christ has died” to “We proclaim your death, O Lord,”
“Christ is risen” to “and profess your resurrection”
“Christ will come again” to “until you come again”.

They do say more or less the same thing at the end of the day but the new one is far richer in meaning to my mind. Perhaps especially in the last line where ‘until’ conveys better the sense we are actually waiting for him to come.
 
Here is a “cheat sheet” to the parts of the re-translation of the Mass that are spoken by lay people:

wdtprs.com/blog/2008/08/another-cheat-sheet-for-the-new-translation-for-lay-people/
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GREETING**

Priest:
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and the love of God,
and the communion of the Holy Spirit
be with you all.
Or:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father
and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Or:
The Lord be with you.
People:
And with your spirit.
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PENITENTIAL ACT (A)**

I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done and in what I have failed to do,
And, striking their breast, they say:
through my fault, through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;
Then they continue:
therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin,
all the Angels and Saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.

PENITENTIAL ACT (B)

Priest:
Have mercy on us, O Lord.
People:
For we have sinned against you.
Priest:
Show us, O Lord, your mercy.
People:
And grant us your salvation.

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snhs said:
All of the changes that I’ve heard about I like so far. The points you highlight both add to the Mass in my view. The first adds imagery through the simile. As for the change to the Mystery of Faith, I’ve always found the ‘familiar’ version more bland than the others, just compare the new and old option A:

“Christ has died” to “We proclaim your death, O Lord,”
“Christ is risen” to “and profess your resurrection”
“Christ will come again” to “until you come again”.

They do say more or less the same thing at the end of the day but the new one is far richer in meaning to my mind. Perhaps especially in the last line where ‘until’ conveys better the sense we are actually waiting for him to come.
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And, it matches more closely to what we pray on Sunday at the Mass we attend: Mortem tuam annuntiamus, Domine, et tuam resurrectionem confitemur, donec venias.

That prayer hasn’t changed. 😉
 
I just read the changes to the peoples of the order of the Mass in the PDF I found in the link.

I recieved my first Holy Communion in the pre-Vatican II form and still have the Children’s Missal I recieved then.

The changes are mostly forms that I am already familiar with.🙂
 
You too, David? I also remember these in the Masses around 1968 and 1969, or something very very VERY similar.
 
So those of us Spanish speakers will finally see some unity in translation, as it seems quite weird to me when I say responses in Spanish which are way off from the English.

It was strange to say and with your spirit in Spanish, find out that is what the response should be and then be saying something that always reminds me of the Stars Wars, may the force be with you, and also with you.

We will sound a bit more dignified and actually have bit more accuracy in our translation in the English. How nice!

Thank goodness, I cannot wait until we start to use the new corrected translation.

Scylla
 
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So those of us Spanish speakers will finally see some unity in translation, as it seems quite weird to me when I say responses in Spanish which are way off from the English.

It was strange to say and with your spirit in Spanish, find out that is what the response should be and then be saying something that always reminds me of the Stars Wars, may the force be with you, and also with you.

We will sound a bit more dignified and actually have bit more accuracy in our translation in the English. How nice!

Thank goodness, I cannot wait until we start to use the new corrected translation.

Scylla
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I agree, i’m a spanish speaker as well.
 
So when does this take effect? I know they approved it, but haven’t heard anything in my parish…
 
To keep the translation on track, perhaps it would be a good idea to write your bishop(s) and tell him how much you appreciate the new translation this far. The propers (changing prayers for the day) are being debated in November.
 
Can someone help me since Catholic Culture site is down for awhile…can someone briefly tell me what prompted the need for a new translation (I know it has been in the works for over a decade?), and what Rome is trying to accomplish with the new text. I personally LOVE it! The language is beautiful.

Thank you!
 
Elzee said:
Can someone help me since Catholic Culture site is down for awhile…can someone briefly tell me what prompted the need for a new translation (I know it has been in the works for over a decade?), and what Rome is trying to accomplish with the new text. I personally LOVE it! The language is beautiful.

Thank you!
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The need is obvious, as anyone who has read Fr Z’s blog knows. Why do it now? JPII published a new edition of the Latin text (the Missale Romanum) in 2000. As opposed to the rush translations that we have now, the Pope set out explicit instruction and a rigorous process, which is why it is taking so long.
 
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You too, David? I also remember these in the Masses around 1968 and 1969, or something very very VERY similar.
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Yes, I was kneeling at an alter rail in1967. I remember Masses back then (or before) in Latin, then later in English.

I wish I could remember more about when the transition to the Novus Ordo occurred. Though my parents stopped insisting on Mass every week about that time.

David
 
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