No sweat, I’m here to help!I am still working on my apologetics by looking at a protestant apologetics site and attempting to refute their claims. This is the next one I’m aiming at training with.
ovrlnd.com/Cults/missingcommandment.html
How would be refute this one? Thanks.
Catholics did not remove any commandments they grouped “thou shalt not have other gods before me” with “thou shalt not make graven images” together, because it’s about the same thing. Lutherans number the commandments the same way Catholics do. But you can’t say Lutherans “worship idols.”Number two was a real helper for. It isn’t numerically listed so it can be interpreted in many ways and they would be correct. Thanks!There are several comments to make here:
- Catholics do not worship idols. I would advise that you look up a particular issue in the Catechism to learn what the Church teaches. There are several sections dedicated to sacred images. These images point us to the truths about God and the world.
- There was not an enumeration of the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament. We only hear that there were ten. Different faith traditions number them differently. Read the full text in Exodus and Deuteronomy and you’ll realize that a lot of material is left out for the sake of brevity, and could, in theory, be numbered in a variety of ways.
- Tell the Fundamentalist Christians to leave the iconoclasm to the Muslims
Thanks, didn’t know that it appears twice in the bible.No sweat, I’m here to help!
Plus, the Ten Commandments are not only found in Exodus but also in Deuteronomy 5:6-21 (link), this is the main one that we as Catholics look to, although Protestants tend to look at the commandments in Exodus 20. In the Deuteronomy version of the ten commandments we have 15 lines and 15 sentences. How do we group these into TEN commandments? The Bible does not group these into ten commandments. We have to figure it out for ourselves. And plus if you look at the Deuteronomy commandments it splits the commandments “don’t covet your neighbor’s wife” from “don’t covet your neighbor’s goods” and puts it in front of it. That’s why we have “don’t covet your neighbor’s wife” as the ninth and the tenth is “don’t covet your neighbor’s goods.”
Also keep in mind that Judaism splits “I am the Lord your God” (as to make it a commandment against Atheism) from “Don’t have any other gods before me” and groups “don’t have any other gods before me” with “don’t make graven images” as we do.
Hope this helps. God bless :byzsoc:
David
Thank-you very much.
In the same vein, the Eastern Churches also tend to use the reckoning employed by many Protestants (called the Philonic Division because it is first attested in the writings of 1st century Jewish writers Philo and Josephus), which splits the prohibition of false gods and the prohibition of idols, but we can’t say that folks such as the Eastern Orthodox are iconoclastic.No sweat, I’m here to help!
Modern-day Judaism, at least.
) the “Ten Words,” or if you want to be more loose, the ‘Ten Statements’ or ‘Ten Sayings’ or ‘Ten Declarations’ or some such variation thereof. So the Rabbinic first ‘word’, “I am Yhwh your God who brought you up from Egypt,” also serves as a declaration of who God is.Refute it with thisI am still working on my apologetics by looking at a protestant apologetics site and attempting to refute their claims. This is the next one I’m aiming at training with.
ovrlnd.com/Cults/missingcommandment.html
How would be refute this one? Thanks.
I do, but I would like to learn what they would probably say to me so that I can better refute them. Thanks.
Ha ha ha! Sorry but the crazy things people think. Anyway, I will give this some thought as I go dust off my golden calf and get ready for bed (JUST KIDDING).There are several comments to make here:
- Catholics do not worship idols. I would advise that you look up a particular issue in the Catechism to learn what the Church teaches. There are several sections dedicated to sacred images. These images point us to the truths about God and the world.
- There was not an enumeration of the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament. We only hear that there were ten. Different faith traditions number them differently. Read the full text in Exodus and Deuteronomy and you’ll realize that a lot of material is left out for the sake of brevity, and could, in theory, be numbered in a variety of ways.
- Tell the Fundamentalist Christians to leave the iconoclasm to the Muslims
That would also seem to rule out framed family photos hanging on the wall or standing on an end table, would it not?
Well if we go by a literalistic reading, what is condemned are pesel, things that are carved or hewn or cast into shape (‘graven’; cf. engrave). I guess Mona Lisa and photos are a-OK but Venus de Milo and little figurines and action figures are not.
