Catholocism the only true choice

[SIA]

funny thing, i say it.

you quoted Jesus Word and at the same you saying that Jesus has failed His Word. you better repent of this.

:knight2: :knight2: :knight2:

??? Another attempt to merely point the argument.

 

[Kansasdad]

How can one know that the “church” is the “church” Jesus had in mind?
How do we know it has not gone way off track?

How do we know that the answers are not right before our face but refuse to believe the truth?

What if we are wrong?

Signed~
~Still Confused~

It is quite simple. We know because we can rely on the very promise given to us by God himself. God gave us his promise that he would send the Holy Spirit that would protect HIS church for EVERY generation. Even the gates of Hail can not prevail against it. IF we are wrong then God didn’t keep his promise. So simply put, do you have enough faith in God to trust his promise? Every generation includes the one right after his death and resurrection, the generation before the Bible, the generation before Constantine, the generation before Luther, and the generation we are in now. Gods church has been there under his protection the entire time. To claim that it has gone apostate or changed is to claim that God didn’t protect it. There is only one church that fits Gods promise.

Do you have enough faith to trust God?

God Bless,
Kansas Dad

 

[estesbob]

I didn’t preset this logic (illogic) you did. I didn’t say that the church was wrong from the beginning.

So when did it go wrong? And of the thousands and thousands of different denomnations how do we know who has the tuth?

 

[SIA]

So when did it go wrong? And of the thousands and thousands of different denomnations how do we know who has the tuth?

That’s a nice (but way played out) pundit, but the truth is the Church didn’t just go running off of a cliff abruptly. It was as you know a wandering away over generations and generations. It’s happening again today in a much more complex fashion. That is the very reason why we need to be so attentive and emersed in God’s Word. It never changes and will never change.

 

[Kansasdad]

That’s a nice (but way played out) pundit, but the truth is the Church didn’t just go running off of a cliff abruptly. It was as you know a wandering away over generations and generations. It’s happening again today in a much more complex fashion. That is the very reason why we need to be so attentive and emersed in God’s Word. It never changes and will never change.

So if the Church slowly wondered away, Did God keep his promise to protect her in every generation?

 

[SIA]

So if the Church slowly wondered away, Did God keep his promise to protect her in every generation?

Absolutely. I have seen with my own eyes how God is faithful to those who follow him no matter what denomination they call themselves.

 

[estesbob]

That’s a nice (but way played out) pundit, but the truth is the Church didn’t just go running off of a cliff abruptly. It was as you know a wandering away over generations and generations. It’s happening again today in a much more complex fashion. That is the very reason why we need to be so attentive and emersed in God’s Word. It never changes and will never change.

The Church hasnt wandered at all-thats just a convenient excuse for justifying discension form its teachings, As far as being attentive and emersed in Gods word-who’s version of God’s word?

 

[SIA]

The Church hasnt wandered at all-thats just a convenient excuse for justifying discension form its teachings, As far as being attentive and emersed in Gods word-who’s version of God’s word?

The truth. Is there any other version?

 

[estesbob]

The truth. Is there any other version?

It appears there are thousnads of different versions. The Mormon have a quite differretent version of the Trurh than do the Baptists who are different from the Lutherans who are different from the Presbyterians, etc, etc, etc. Who’s "truth do we accept and why?

 

[Kansasdad]

Absolutely. I have seen with my own eyes how God is faithful to those who follow him no matter what denomination they call themselves.

Nice side step.

God gave his promise to HIS Church. He promised that the Gates of hell would not prevail against his church, in every generation. For your assumption to be right this plan of his would have to change at some point. When did God change his mind?

 

[SIA]

It appears there are thousnads of different versions. The Mormon have a quite differretent version of the Trurh than do the Baptists who are different from the Lutherans who are different from the Presbyterians, etc, etc, etc. Who’s "truth do we accept and why?

and then there is the Catholic version. so? Then there is the version that my priest had (which in some cases was different from what Catholic belief was). What is your point? Knowing the truth comes from the Holy Spirit. What makes you believe that only a select few can receive this from the Spirit?

 

[SIA]

Nice side step.

God gave his promise to HIS Church. He promised that the Gates of hell would not prevail against his church, in every generation. For your assumption to be right this plan of his would have to change at some point. When did God change his mind?

??? Now how did you come up with that?

 

[estesbob]

and then there is the Catholic version. so? Then there is the version that my priest had (which in some cases was different from what Catholic belief was). What is your point? Knowing the truth comes from the Holy Spirit. What makes you believe that only a select few can receive this from the Spirit?

Everyone can recieve the Truth from the Church Christ founded to be the guardian of the truth. Any other approach to discerning the truth leads to the mass confusion we have seen since the “reformers” decided we all got to figure it out for ourlseves

 

[SIA]

Everyone can recieve the Truth from the Church Christ founded to be the guardian of the truth. Any other approach to discerning the truth leads to the mass confusion we have seen since the “reformers” decided we all got to figure it out for ourlseves

I am convinced that you truly don’t know as much about the Reformers or the Reformation as you want to believe that you know. The Anglican church for example believes and has the same doctrines and Scriptures now as it had in its inception in 1534. We recite the same Nicene Creed as the Reformers did. Where are these 33,000 ways to interpret Scripture that you believe exist? can you name the supposed 33,000+ Protestant denominations? I think that this non-Catholic thing has been carried much too far.

 

[estesbob]

I am convinced that you truly don’t know as much about the Reformers or the Reformation as you want to believe that you know. The Anglican church for example believes and has the same doctrines and Scriptures now as it had in its inception in 1534. We recite the same Nicene Creed as the Reformers did. Where are these 33,000 ways to interpret Scripture that you believe exist? can you name the supposed 33,000+ Protestant denominations? I think that this non-Catholic thing has been carried much too far.

Nonsense-just last week the angilcan Church changed its doctrine of female bishops having previously changed its doctrine of female priests, abortion, homosexualtiy , contraception, just ot name a few.

I know a lot about the reformers-in their lust for women they were not married to and/or quest for political power they put the souls of millions in jeapordy.

 

[Kansasdad]

??? Now how did you come up with that?

Simple logic and a little knowledge of history.

100 years after Jesus died on the cross and St John had just passed away, we still have the Church established by Jesus Christ. We have the promise of God almighty that this very church would have his protection for every generation. EVERY SINGLE ONE, including ours today. We also know that it is this very same church that is the pillar and ground for Gods truth. Where do you find God telling us that he will protect his church, the pillar and ground of his truth, for a few generations, but at some point it would change and individuals would become the pillar and ground of his truth guided by the Holy Spirit and the Bible. Help me out here because I can’t find that anywhere in scripture.

 

[FreeAmerican]

The truth that Catholism is a traditional religion which was founded by Jesus Christ as we all ahould know. Most protestant religions were started later on in religious history.

Whether it’s Traditional catholic or New Order catholic, those two at least are true choices.

 

[David_Vestal]

Hi David Vestal,

I still stand by my remarks and will not back off of them.

Always remember traditionalist Catholic has two meaning if you spell it with a (T) one is for the Tridentine Mass and if one spells it will a (t) one thinks one is traditional in the Catholic faith.

Have a good day.

Frank J.

Um? Ok I stand by my remarks and will not back off them, thats really effective when debating or examining both sides. Okies. Tell me then where does your claim come in that your Church is the one founded by Christ?

 

[SIA]

Simple logic and a little knowledge of history.

100 years after Jesus died on the cross and St John had just passed away, we still have the Church established by Jesus Christ. We have the promise of God almighty that this very church would have his protection for every generation. EVERY SINGLE ONE, including ours today. We also know that it is this very same church that is the pillar and ground for Gods truth. Where do you find God telling us that he will protect his church, the pillar and ground of his truth, for a few generations, but at some point it would change and individuals would become the pillar and ground of his truth guided by the Holy Spirit and the Bible. Help me out here because I can’t find that anywhere in scripture.

i didn’t say that. You are assuming that God is only speaking of one denomination, more precisely yours. i am saying that God is speaking of those folks who are his people. Christ’s true followers. Are you suggesting that those folks who are truly the followers of Christ are merely independents scattered about and not the ones that the gates of hell will not prevail against?

 

[Kansasdad]

I am convinced that you truly don’t know as much about the Reformers or the Reformation as you want to believe that you know. The Anglican church for example believes and has the same doctrines and Scriptures now as it had in its inception in 1534. We recite the same Nicene Creed as the Reformers did. Where are these 33,000 ways to interpret Scripture that you believe exist? can you name the supposed 33,000+ Protestant denominations? I think that this non-Catholic thing has been carried much too far.

It would take quite a few pages to show all 33,000 but here are a frew to ponder:

American Baptist Association…
American Baptist Churches
in the U.S.A…11
National Baptist Convention
of America…12
National Baptist Convention,
U.S.A, Inc…13

Southern Baptist Convention…14
Other Baptist Churches…15
Baptist, Don’t know which…18

METHODIST
African Methodist Episcopal
Church…20 African Methodist Episcopal
Zion Church…21
United Methodist Church…22
Other Methodist Churches…23
Methodist, Don’t Know which…24

LUTHERAN
American Lutheran Church…30
Lutheran Church in America…31
Lutheran Church-Missouri
Synod…32
Wisconsin Evangelical
Lutheran Synod…33
Other Lutheran Churches…34
Lutheran, Don’t know which…38

PRESBYTERIAN
Prebyterian Church in the
United States…40
United Presbyterian Church
in the U.S.A…41
Other Presbyterian Churches…42
Presbyterian, Don’t know
which…48

EPISCOPAL CHURCH…50
OTHER (SPECIFY)…60

NO DENOMINATION GIVEN OR
NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH…70

Hungarian Reformed…1
Evangelical
Congregational…2
Ind. Bible, Bible,
Bible Fellowship…3
Eckankar…4
Church of Prophecy…5
New Testament
Christian…6 ’
Church of God, Saint
& Christ…7
Moravian…8
Christian and Missionary
Alliances…9
Advent Christian…10
Spiritualist…11
Assembly of God…12
Free Methodist…13
apostolic Faith…14
African Methodist…15

Table 2 (Continued)​

Denomination -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Will Baptist…16
Eden Evangelist…17
Holiness (Nazarene)…18
Baptist (Northern)…19
Brethren Church,
Brethren…20
Witness Holiness…21
Brethren, Plymouth…22
United Brethren, United
Brethren in Christ…23
Independent…24
Christian Disciples…25
Christ in Christian
Union…26
Open Bible…27

Christian Catholic…28
Christ Church Unity…29
Christ Adelphians…30

Table 2 (Continued)​

Denomination -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Christian; Central
Christian…31
Christian Reform…32
Christian Scientist…33
Church of Christ,
Evangelical…34
Church of Christ…35
Church of God (Except
with Christ and
Holiness)…36
Churches of God in
Christ…37
Church of God in Christ
Holiness…38
Church of the Living
God…39
Congregationalist,
1st Congregation…40
Community Church…41
Covenant…42
Dutch Reform…43 Disciples of Christ…44
Evangelical, Evangelist.45

Table 2 (Continued)​

Denomination -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Evangelical Reformed…46
Evangelist Free Church…47
First Church…48
First Christian
Disciples of Christ…49
First Reformed…50
First Christian…51
Full Gospel…52
Four Square Gospel…53
Friends…54
Holy Roller…55
Holiness; Church of
Holiness…56
Pilgrim Holiness…57
Jehova’s Witnesses…58
LDS…59
LDS-Mormon…60

Table 2 (Continued)​

Denomination -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LDS-Reorganized…61
LDS-Jesus Christ; Church
of Jesus LDS…62
Mennonite…63
Mormon…64
Nazarene…65
Pentacostal Assembly
of God…66
Pentacostal Church
of God…67
Pentacostal…68
Pentacostal Holiness,
Holiness Pentacostal…69
Quaker…70
Reformed…71
Reformed United Church
of Christ…72
Reformed Church of
Christ…73
Religious Science…74
Mind Science…75

Table 2 (Continued)​

Denomination -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Salvation Army…
7th Day Adventist…
Sanctified,
Sanctification…78
United Holiness…79
Unitarian, Universalist.80
United Church of Christ.81
United Church, Unity
Church…82
Wesleyan…83
Wesleyan Methodist-
Pilgram…84
Zion Union…85
Zion Union Apostolic…86
Zion Union Apostolic-
Reformed…87
Disciples of God…88
Grace Reformed…89
Holiness Church of God…90

Table 2 (Continued)​

Denomination -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Evangelical Covenant…91
Mission Covenant…92
Missionary Baptist…93
Swedish Mission…94
Unity…95
United Church of
Christianity…96
Other Fundamentalist…97
Federated Church…98
American Reform…99
Grace Brethren…100
Christ in God…101
Charismatic…102
Pentacostal Apostolic…103 X
House of Prayer…104
Latvian Lutheran…105

Table 2 (Continued)​

Denomination -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Triumph Church of God…106
Apostolic Christian…107
Christ Cathedral of
Truth…108
Bible Missionary…109
Calvary Bible…110
Amish…111
Evangelical Methodist…112 Worldwide Church
of God…113 E
Church Universal and
Triumphant…114
Mennonite Brethren…115
Church of the
First Born…116
Missionary Church…117
The Way Missionary…118
United Church
of Canada…119
Evangelical United
Brethren…120
The Church of God
and Prophecy…121 E
Chapel of Faith…122
Polish National Church.123
Faith Gospel
Tabernacle…124 Christian Calvary
Chapel…125
Camelite…126

This is a partial list found at :adherents.com/largecom/prot_classify.html