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Gara3987
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We know this because Christ Founded one Church and Appointed Saint Peter as Head (Pope). We Must remember that Our Lord ensured us that His Church would never Fall.
“Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. ** And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and** the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. Matthew 16: 15-19 DRB]
We Must also remember that Christ gave HIS authority to the Apostles:
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“And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.” *Matthew* 28: 18-20 DRB]I hope that this helps. Take Care and God Bless
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Gara3987
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How do you know who went to hell and who didn’t? You must mean the revolters since that is was it really was, a revolt against Christ’s Church. The fact of the matter is that there are certain Saints who have had visions and have been to Hell (Saint Theresa Of Avila; Saint Faustina; Sister Josefa Menendez’s; etc) and back. Some of these Saints have documented that not one soul Outside the Church was even making it to Heaven let alone Purgatory. So I don’t know what you are talking about.
For one Christ Founded One Church and Ensured us that She will never fall Matthew 16: 15-19]. Christ also said “I am the Truth”John 14, 6]. What is truth? Truth omits error, it is conformity to reality or actuality. He founded his Church and said, “And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen” [Matthew 18: 17]. Again He told His Apostles, “he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me” [Luke 10: 16] and, “He that is not with me, is against me” Luke 11:23; Matth. 12:30]. Would you come to believe that if Our Lord is truly present in the Holy Eucharist, would He be every bit as pleased with the doctrine of those who deny that He is present there?
Saint Paul, in his Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, [1 : 7–10], states:
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“And to you who are troubled, rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven, with the angels of his power: In a flame of fire, giving vengeance to them who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall suffer eternal punishment in destruction, from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his power: When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be made wonderful in all them who have believed; because our testimony was believed upon you in that day.”
Also, in the same Epistle [2 : 8–11] Saint Paul says:
“And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore **God shall send** them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.”
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And he went through the cities and towns teaching, and making his journey to Jerusalem. And a certain man said to him: Lord, are they few that are saved? But he said to them: Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able. But when the master of the house shall be gone in, and shall shut the door, you shall begin to stand without, and knock at the door, saying: Lord, open to us. And he answering, shall say to you: I know you not, whence you are. Then you shall begin to say: **We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. And he shall say to you: I know you not, whence you are: depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.**So now we know that Christ established One Church [Matth. 16:18; John 10:16] and that She shall never fall and He will be with Her and us till the consumption of the worldMatth. 16:18; 28:20]. We know that Our Lord Jesus gave HIS AUTHORITY to the Apostles Matth 28: 18-20], The authority of the Apostles did not die with them either, and we know this when we look at: Beginning from the baptism of John, until the day wherein he was taken up from us, one of these must be made a witness with us of his resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph, called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. Acts 1:22-23] † And as they were ministering to the Lord, and fasting, the Holy Ghost said to them: Separate me Saul and Barnabas, for the work whereunto I have taken them. Acts 13:2] † And then immediately the brethren sent away Paul, to go unto the sea; but Silas and Timothy remained there. And they that conducted Paul, brought him as far as Athens; and receiving a commandment from him to Silas and Timothy, that they should come to him with all speed, they departed. Acts 17:14-15] † For the Son of God, Jesus Christ who was preached among you by us, by me, and Sylvanus, and Timothy, was not, It is and It is not, but, It is, was in him. 2 Corinthians 1:19] † Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry. But Tychicus I have sent to Ephesus. 2 Timothy 4:11-12]. So now we also know To disobey the Catholic Church knowingly is just as much a sin as to disobey Jesus Christ or His Apostles.
These are but a few biblical references.
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allischalmers
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The one true church is the Baptist Church founded by John the Baptist. John the Baptist was preaching the Gospel long before Pete became an apostle.
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wisdomseeker
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and where in the Bible, John Baptist said he was going to build a church? please tell me, oh wise one:
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VWcrazy
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LOL!!! One of the funniest things I’ve read all year!
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Christian1983
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Without the Reformation the RCC would be in pretty bad shape. The Reformation came about out of common sense. Papal indulgences and purgatory are not good; in fact they are evil. The RCC needed the Reformation. These problems would have persisted even longer, if it weren’t for some people saying enough is enough.
I admire the RCC today for holding strong values but I do not admire how some RC’s fail to realize the problems the RCC had.
I admire the RCC today for holding strong values but I do not admire how some RC’s fail to realize the problems the RCC had.
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estesbob
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You really should use the sarcarstic icon when doing so.
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hawkeye
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Because He laid the foundation stone and said “the gates of hell would not prevail against it.”
That can only mean one thing, that it’s still here in the RC-Church.
People are human, but the Holy Spirit does not go off track, the Church is human and Divine just like Jesus, so it can’t be destroyed, they tried that on Good Friday.
There appears to be a link to the suggestions of where to build our house, and Jesus was true to His word, Matt :24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, 25** And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock**
And just because a house is built on ROCK doesn’t mean it won’t have to weather storms.
Yes how do you know ?
It takes faith.
Signed~
~Still Confused~
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Swan
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Actually, it can mean a whole lot of things. Only the RC has this interpretation. Personally, I dont’ see where this line of scripture implies anything of the sort.
po18guy
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I think a certain “someone” disappeared and went back under the bridge…
If you know what I mean.
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FdeS2
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Christian 1983, I would say that the Roman Catholic Church definitely had some very corrupt members at the time, even corrupt leaders. I would not say that the actual Church was off course at all, though. Papal indulgences and purgatory are not evil at all. Purgatory has scriptural roots (probably see another thread for a full explanation), and papal indulgences are rooted in Sacred Tradition (from which, orally, we got Sacred Scripture and other wonderful elements of the faith).
The Church did not need the Reformers in the sense that they presented themselves and acted. Luther should have continued to push for change and remained faithful to the Church, praying for reconciliation and reform from within. If he and others had offered everything up prayerfully to the Lord, everything would have been fine. Saints are much more useful than complainers…
Still, the Lord uses everything for the best, so seeing as it was part of history, much good is meant to come out of it.
God bless, all!
Yours in Christ,
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The Church did not need the Reformers in the sense that they presented themselves and acted. Luther should have continued to push for change and remained faithful to the Church, praying for reconciliation and reform from within. If he and others had offered everything up prayerfully to the Lord, everything would have been fine. Saints are much more useful than complainers…
Still, the Lord uses everything for the best, so seeing as it was part of history, much good is meant to come out of it.
God bless, all!
Yours in Christ,
Daniel
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jay29
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Actually, it can mean a whole lot of things. Only the RC has this interpretation. Personally, I dont’ see where this line of scripture implies anything of the sort.
But you have no authority to say what you think as TRUE.
But you have no authority to say what you think as TRUE.
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hawkeye
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That’s the reason we need the Church otherwise it will and does mean a whole lot of different things.Actually, it can mean a whole lot of things. Only the RC has this interpretation. Personally, I dont’ see where this line of scripture implies anything of the sort.
So If Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail, are you saying Christ was wrong ?
And where is His Church ?
Has hell prevailed against the Church Jesus started ?
To the last one the answer for me is no, it’s been around for 2,000 years warts and all.
And Jesus said Church not churches, and one shepherd and one fold, "there are sheep who are not of this fold, remember " ?
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd
And like I said, just because a house is built on a rock doesn’t mean it won’t have to weather storms, and the reason to build it on one in the first place, Jesus was true to His own parable.
And yes you are entitled to your own personal opinion.
Psalms 127:1?
"Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain who build it."
Saint Paul to the Romans13:1 Let every soul be subject to higher powers: for there is no power but from God: and those that are, are ordained of God. 2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation.
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David_Vestal
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Wow it seems to many people reading Jack Chick pamphlets out here 
Once again I put my response in bold.
Once again I put my response in bold.
po18guy
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You still misunderstand the CC. It’s own internal reformation was well in progress before Luther rebelled and split the Body of our Lord in two - to Satan’s delight. Read up on Saint John of the Cross and Saint Teresa of Avila. Both Catholic reformers, of a movement that kept the church united.
Purgatory evil? This is a lack of knowledge of the subject. You had better hope and pray there’s a purgatory, because no human will enter the Kingdom with sin on the soul. Where and when are you cleansed of sin that remains at the point of death?
Christ’s peace.
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ckempston
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I thought they drew straws…
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