CBC News: Vatican sex abuse letter from 1997 revealed

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From CBC News:

A newly revealed 1997 letter from the Vatican warned Ireland’s Catholic bishops not to report all suspected child-abuse cases to police — a disclosure with the potential to fuel more lawsuits worldwide against the Vatican, which has long denied any involvement in coverups.
The letter, obtained by Irish broadcasters RTE and provided to The Associated Press, documents the Vatican’s rejection of an Irish church initiative to begin helping police identify pedophile priests.

Read more: cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/18/vativan-letter-sex-abuse-ireland.html#socialcomments#ixzz1BPBhgY4W

Sent to me by my atheist brother-in-law with glee. I’m sure he’s awaiting my response on how I’ll rationalize holding on to my beliefs. This occurs week after week with him.

Here’s his email quote to me:
it appears The Ratz was complicit and is a liar.

Anyone wanna help me out with this?

emp
 
First of all, that’s a really disrespectful way to refer to our Holy Father. :eek: And it’s quite a leap to make to say that he was involved in this. Then Cardinal Ratzinger wasn’t in the Congregation for the Clergy - he was prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. See this for more of his efforts to get the other Congregation to do more.

catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=39417

This article is a typical fluff piece full of lots of inuendo and not much in the way of substantiation. If the letter is so bad, why isn’t it included - or at least directly quoted? It isn’t even a letter from the Vatican. It’s a third party account of what one now-deceased Archbishop was reporting on what the Congregatoin for the Clergy had decided. If that really happened, it would have been followed up by some kind of actual decision from the Congregation for the Clergy - don’t you think?

Time will tell. A similar, so-called “smoking gun” document surfaced in the US. When the whole document became public, it turned out that the Vatican was simply reiterating the Church’s teaching about the seal of the Confessional. I don’t know much about the Irish document that is being referred to. Did the “mandetory” reporting include knowledge revealed in Confession? If so, there’s no way the Vatican could have approved it.

So wait to see if the actual letter is made public and authenticated before getting wrapped up about it.
 
“The Ratz,” as your relative calls him, was not a member of the Congregation for the Clergy, which is apparently the source of information in the letter. While the cardinal was prefect of the CDF, which may have had (name removed by moderator)ut on some of the rules and practices, we’d really need to establish that to assume any complicity.

One of the issues that the Congregation for the Clergy was concerned about is that rights of priests would be trampled by unjust accusations. It was this same issue that led to the initial rejection of new American rules by the USCCB in their Dallas meeting some years ago. The rules were later modified and approved by the Vatican.

The AP story seems to summarize the letter with some care, so I don’t have the doubts that Corki has that the letter is completely misrepresented. However, I do question their assessment of how important the letter was at the time, and how important it will be worldwide. It doesn’t sound like anything new.
 
First let us find out the facts and the truth. Logon to this website,
rte.ie/tv/wouldyoubelieve/av_index.html
watch the video and stop at 1:32 and read what is possible to read from the letter. I haven’t watched the whole show but it seems that this is the letter they are talking about. Next, is it a real letter from the Vatican? sorry I have to go and can’t research on this subject anymore but please my friends take it from here and let us find out the truth about this.
God love you
 
Fast and pray. The truth will come out regardless of what your brother in-law thinks. Be patient and let him know that you are waiting for more details before responding.

If you act defensively your brother in-law will likely just be more vehement.

Concern about priests getting treated fairly in the secular justice system is a valid concern but you will be very hard pressed to get others on board with that idea. Even though it is a valid concern, it is entirely possible that in this instance (and seemingly countless others around the world) the course of action taken was not the best. I pray and expect that the Church will learn from these past mistakes.
 
From CBC News:

A newly revealed 1997 letter from the Vatican warned Ireland’s Catholic bishops not to report all suspected child-abuse cases to police — a disclosure with the potential to fuel more lawsuits worldwide against the Vatican, which has long denied any involvement in coverups.
The letter, obtained by Irish broadcasters RTE and provided to The Associated Press, documents the Vatican’s rejection of an Irish church initiative to begin helping police identify pedophile priests.

Read more: cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/18/vativan-letter-sex-abuse-ireland.html#socialcomments#ixzz1BPBhgY4W

And we should believe this ‘news’ report becauuuuse???..

Sent to me by my atheist brother-in-law with glee. I’m sure he’s awaiting my response on how I’ll rationalize holding on to my beliefs. This occurs week after week with him.

Here’s his email quote to me:
it appears The Ratz was complicit and is a liar.

Anyone wanna help me out with this?

emp
 
Thank you all for your responses. It was always my thinking to wait and see. My B-i-L is somewhat impudent when it comes to faith matters. I want to come back at him wuth a well reasoned response rather than a knee jerk reaction. I hope others will add to this posting giving their views as well, and perhaps I can compile something usuable from them.

Again, thank you.

emp
 
First let us find out the facts and the truth. Logon to this website,
rte.ie/tv/wouldyoubelieve/av_index.html
watch the video and stop at 1:32 and read what is possible to read from the letter. I haven’t watched the whole show but it seems that this is the letter they are talking about. Next, is it a real letter from the Vatican? sorry I have to go and can’t research on this subject anymore but please my friends take it from here and let us find out the truth about this.
God love you
The OPs link was a little confusing on that point. The first paragraph called it “a letter from the Vatican” while further down they called it a “letter from the Vatican’s diplomat in Ireland” who I suppose is the Papal Nuncio. Is it regular procedure for a Vatican Congregation to pass on its official ruling on something sent to them for approval by having it conveyed in a letter by a nuncio? And of course, the Archbishop is no longer alive to explain if he was conveying an official decision or just reporting what he understood was the leaning of the Congregation.
 
Thank you all for your responses. It was always my thinking to wait and see. My B-i-L is somewhat impudent when it comes to faith matters. I want to come back at him wuth a well reasoned response rather than a knee jerk reaction. I hope others will add to this posting giving their views as well, and perhaps I can compile something usuable from them.

Again, thank you.

emp
Why does your BIL think this will (name removed by moderator)act your faith? At the very least, it proves that the Church continues as it has for 2000 years **in spite of **the sometimes outright wrong decisions of its leaders. The Vatican wasn’t advocating heresy, it (if it really was an official decree from the Vatican) was making a policy decision.
 
The video that beafedor posted is actually pretty good, you may want to view it and see if it is something sharable with your brother in-law.

Here is the link: rte.ie/tv/wouldyoubelieve/av_index.html

The part starting at 27:00 and going the rest of the presentation focuses largely on the role that Pope Benedict XVI had while still Prefect for the CDF.

It does state unequivocally that he has done more to change the Church’s policies in the area of how sexual abuse by clergy is handled. If your brother in-law watches this and still thinks that Pope Benedict is complicit then I would think he is being quite intellectually dishonest and further dialogue may not be possible for the time being. It seems that at worst he did not fully grasp the gravity of the situation or the duty that he had to the victims, and that is what his initial response reflects.

I hope this helps, and please do watch the video. It is biased, but it does recognize the work that Pope Benedict has done very nicely.
 
Why does your BIL think this will (name removed by moderator)act your faith? At the very least, it proves that the Church continues as it has for 2000 years **in spite of **the sometimes outright wrong decisions of its leaders. The Vatican wasn’t advocating heresy, it (if it really was an official decree from the Vatican) was making a policy decision.
He’s an atheistic Jew. He never liked the idea of his sister loving a Catholic and overall he is most worried about her expressed interest in becoming Catholic. A highly intelligent fellow, but dumb in o so many ways too. All I can do is practice patience and forgiveness, but I do rebuke him, and I think he likes to get under my skin.
 
I encourage everyone to watch the RTE programme linked in beafedor’s post. It is a remarkably fair documentary. Listen in particular to what Bishop Michael Smith has to say. He was a bishop during the time the Irish bishops had to do battle with the Vatican over what this letter contained. Listen also to the comments of Fr Aidan McGrath and David Quinn - neither of whom could be accused of being anything other than loyal Catholics.

The documentary makes it clear that Cardinals Castrillon Hoyos, Angelo Sodano and Tarcisio Bertone have questions to answer about the handling of sex abuse cases.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger comes out of the documentary very well and it acknowledges the work he did and his commitment to ridding the Church of the ‘filth’ as he himself put it. In particular, it describes his single-minded pursuit of Marcial Maciel and his determination in face of opposition from Cardinal Sodano in particular.
 
First off, I would like to apologize in advance, because I speak American so please forgive me if my Canadian is not on par with what you’re used to.

There is some very sneaky language in this, which you should probably rap his knuckles for. eh

The instruction–according to the CBC–apparently ‘warns’ the Irish bishops not to report ALL cases to the police. eh

Not to report ALL cases. buddy

This is in light of a policy the Irish bishops agreed on adopting in the mid '90s, to report ALL SUSPICIONS of abuse.

theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/the-1997-letter-vatican-message-sent-to-irish-church/article1874546/ [The actual letter’s text, if you’re interested, can be found here.]

The text simply states that (1) canon law should be the guiding force in how the bishops of Ireland approach the Abuse Crisis, and (2) that the current policies of the bishops of Ireland rub up against the boundaries of canon law. (2A) The letter elaborates, that individual clerics could possibly take the option of ‘hierarchical recourse’–that is, lodging a complaint alleging administrative mishandling–if, for instance, PARISH GOSSIP and malicious rumors somehow prompted his bishop to ‘report’ a case that never was and never will be.

Yeah, so its easy to just assume that the statement: ‘mandatory reporting’ gives rise to moral/canonical reservations is just our hierarchy of pedophiles protecting their own corrupt backsides, but any intelligent person who reads this letter in context, will understand that this simply isn’t the case. It voices a series of legitimate concerns that reflect the importance of canon law, and the difficulties that might arise when two different systems of law run up against each other.

This is not simply the case with canon law–but every regulatory code that provides internal structure for an organization–will have to find an acceptable middle ground with civil law. Now, finally, this push-pull process is being found in the Anglo-American world in the darkest of times.

Another peculiar feature of canon law is its concern with the priest’s ministry and good reputation. Secular law in America, at least–even with the presumption of innocence (which, though unintended, makes it so that every criminal is ‘tentatively innocent’, thus devaluing innocence)–has been unable to adequately cope with the fact that sometimes simply entering a court house can be tantamount to character assassination. Rumor and accusation can be enough to destroy a priest’s ministry and his ‘usefulness’ (i.e., full capacity to serve) to his flock and diocese. If a priest of 40 or 45, who has devoted 20 years of life to selfless service has his ministry wrecked by false accusations, he literally has nowhere to go: (1) his ‘career’ has been an eclectic mix of work, but he has not likely studied any single field (ex: social work, academic theology, Patristics) to make him a ‘professional’, (2) he is too old to find a wife of comparable age, and raise a proper family, (3) it would probably even be difficult to adopt a child, depending on the status of the false allegations–and that’s only to start!

There was a famous case in my region, of a priest who was accused of some indiscretion and immediately removed from active ministry by his bishop. He killed himself, and the accusation was denounced as false and subsequently retracted. This is just one of the ways that the Abuse Crisis hurts the Church: rather than vaguely damaging the Holy See’s moral authority, it casts a shadow over every innocent priest and gives automatic, undue credence to virtually any accusation.

The way that this article is written, is just downright sneaky. Read the following paragraph carefully:

“The letter’s message undermines persistent Vatican claims that the church never instructed bishops to withhold evidence or suspicion of crimes from police. Instead, the letter emphasizes the church’s right to handle all child-abuse allegations and determine punishments in house rather than hand that power to civil authorities.”

So, regarding the first sentence, it references the warning not to report ALL suspicions. (1) Not ANY, but ALL; (2) not SUBSTANTIATED CASES, but SUSPICIONS.
The second sentence begins on a new train of thought (regarding the relationship between civil and ecclesiastical law): the letter emphasizes the church’s right to handle all child-abuse allegations in its own courts. That is extremely ambiguous: it COULD suggest a parallel investigation, among other things.
The most important point to emphasize here is that it focuses on the utility of ecclesiastical law, especially concerning the crisis. Telling the bishops to handle the claims ‘in-house’ does not rule out inter-court cooperation or the involvement of civil law.

[In fact, it could be argued that the findings of the ecclesiastical court would be MORE important than the civil findings–its been the CIVIL findings which, unhappily, have let many predatory clerics and ex-clerics back onto the streets after the statute of limitations expire, &c.

Whereas a ‘damning’ judgment against a cleric could lead to the cessation of ALL ministry everywhere, and has the potential to be far more compelling than a slap-on-the-wrist probation and counseling.]
 
It would seem the raison d’être for much of the media (and many anti-Catholic proponents) is to find fault with the Catholic Church. There is certainly a significant predisposition for over reporting and distorting Catholic failings as well as misrepresenting the facts to suit their purposes. By way of contrasting example, in the first six months of 2002, the 61 major newspapers in California printed almost 2,000 stories about sexual abuse in Catholic associations, most of them regarding past allegations. During the same period, those same newspapers ran only 4 articles concerning the Federal government’s unearthing of the much larger and current abuse scandal in public schools.

If you brother-in-law insists upon castigating the Church and your beliefs, a little remedial education might help. A government report from the United States (as of 2008) outlines the proportions of priests who were involved in cases of pedophilia at 0.03%, whereas about 68% were apportioned to family members and in-laws (e.g. brother-in-laws).
 
I don’t personally know how accurate this report is about the letter. I do believe there has been some evidence, not including this latest media spin, that suggests that there has been coverups and protections given to abusing priests around the world. In many places, this has been acknowledged. I love my faith and reading this kind of thing pains me greatly. I can’t find in my heart or through prayer how it would EVER be acceptable in any situation to protect the perpetrator, no matter who he is, over the interests of the victim. If this was acceptable in our society, would it be ok for say CEOs of large companies being able to declare that their employees are excempt from following the law too? Or how about if Boy Scout leaders were exempt? I don’t know what the answer is . . . I just pray and hope to find some way to understand how this has been allowed within our Mother Church. It is disgraceful.
 
BY JOHN L. ALLEN JR.



There are three bits of context, however, which complicate efforts to tout the letter as a smoking gun.

First, the letter warns the Irish bishops that if they were to adopt policies which violate the church’s Code of Canon Law, cases in which they remove abusers from the priesthood could be overturned on procedural grounds. Were that to happen, the letter says, “the results could be highly embarrassing and detrimental.”

In other words, a main concern of the letter is to ensure that when a bishop takes action against an abuser, his edict should stick – suggesting a fairly tough line on abuse, rather than a drive to cover it up.

Second, the letter does not directly forbid bishops from reporting abusers to police and prosecutors. Instead, it communicates the judgment of one Vatican office that mandatory reporting policies raise concerns. It’s not a policy directive, in other words, but an expression of opinion.

Though the letter does not spell out what the “moral and canonical” concerns were, a Vatican spokesperson initially suggested the fear was that such policies might intrude on the seal of the confessional. Yet a reference to the 1997 letter in the government-commissioned “Murphy Report” suggests the concern was the broader issue of a priest’s right to protect his “good name.”

In any event, it’s not clear that the judgment of the Congregation for Clergy by itself could be considered binding Vatican policy. When the American sex abuse norms came up for Vatican approval in 2002, several different departments were involved, and ultimately the objections voiced by the Congregation for Clergy did not prevail.
Vatican officials today insist their policy is that bishops should report abuse cases to the civil authorities.

Third, the Congregation for the Clergy at the time was under the direction of Colombian Cardinal Darío Castrillón Hoyos, whose reservations about bishops reporting their priests to civil authorities have been already well documented. In another celebrated case which generated headlines last year, Castrillón wrote to a French bishop in September 2001 congratulating him for refusing to denounce a priest.

read more

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I don’t personally know how accurate this report is about the letter. I do believe there has been some evidence, not including this latest media spin, that suggests that there has been coverups and protections given to abusing priests around the world. In many places, this has been acknowledged. I love my faith and reading this kind of thing pains me greatly. I can’t find in my heart or through prayer how it would EVER be acceptable in any situation to protect the perpetrator, no matter who he is, over the interests of the victim. If this was acceptable in our society, would it be ok for say CEOs of large companies being able to declare that their employees are excempt from following the law too? Or how about if Boy Scout leaders were exempt? I don’t know what the answer is . . . I just pray and hope to find some way to understand how this has been allowed within our Mother Church. It is disgraceful.

  1. *] No one in the entire Roman Catholic Church is saying that the abuse is ‘alright’.
    *] The letter only (1) emphasizes the enforcement of canon law, (2a) points out points where canon law, secular law, and the ‘mandatory reporting’ policy of the bishops experience friction, and (2b) that there is a mechanism by which bishops might suffer certain unnamed penalties if they work completely outside ecclesiastical courts and happen to accuse a priest without sufficient basis (and that priest will have the option to invoke ‘hierarchical recourse’).
    *] The Church is concerned with protecting several groups at once: it obviously wants to prevent further abuse, but it also doesn’t want to condemn a devoted servant without sufficient basis.
    *] It was not–as one poster above points out–a brainchild of our current Pope while he was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The relevant dicastery * would probably be the Congregation for the Clergy, anyway–am I right? Finally, the Archbishop mentioned was simply an Apostolic Nuncio *, and its not even clear in what capacity he is making this recommendation.

    Covering up for pedophiles, is one thing.
    Creating a climate that is intolerable* for any living being wearing a Roman Collar is another–and that is precisely what articles like this are doing. ‘Smoking gun’, my ***.

    None of these idiots understand canon law, or how the Holy See conducts its affairs. And until they ask Fr. Doyle, O.P. or Rocco Palma, there won’t be any definitive explanation, either.

    Oh, and they also won’t have to apologize or retract this canard: in their hearts, they believe that we deserve this.*
 
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