CDC Study: 85% of Coronavirus Patients Reported Wearing Masks ‘Always’ or ‘Often’

[Cathoholic]

Good points Zzyzx_Road.

The other thing is, this is not a limited time frame we’re talking about.

Many of these people (although they don’t admit it) are talking about doing this PERMANENTLY.

Can you imagine not allowing your friends into your home without a ridiculous mask on? Ever?

It is non-sense to live like this.

Slowing down the spread of an infection is NOT EQUIVALENT to stopping it.

So we have all these parameters, for what?

A postponement of virus exposure of a virus that has had zero life-years lost in the USA compared to prior years before Corona virus was invented or mutated.

We were never presented this last March.

 

[BT3241]

None of the action taken were to stop the virus - you can’t - what the issue is if too many people contract the virus the health system will be over run - no other reason than that - why can’t people get it? Its not rocket science.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

The point behind all the other points about masks is this: up until March this year, the conventional wisdom that you tout so much was that ordinary masks were not helpful against respiratory-transmitted viruses. That conventional wisdom has been in place since they found that ordinary masks did not help against the 1918 flu pandemic and no one countered that. Until April this year.

Dr. Fauci went on 60 Minutes back in March to say so! He said health care professionals need their professional-grade masks, the N95’s or better, and that was it. That’s conventional wisdom for you and it made sense. But suddenly the very next month, the CDC changed their collective minds. What basis in research and papers did they have at that time? That appeared for the first time in the period between Dr. Fauci’s 60 Minutes interview and the new pronouncements?

Further, there is no need for the recovered to continue to wear masks. They’re not vulnerable anymore nor are they transmitting. But with cloth masks and the cheap Chinese paper masks, they are at risk of being carriers anyway. Further, the paper you refuse to read featured a “super-emitter” in their survey sample and they found that masks did nearly nothing to stop that person from emitting when that person coughed.

Further, still no response to the article I posted about Italy. From that article (emphasis mine):

What’s particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising. Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced, nightclubs have never reopened, and sporting arenas are at less than a third of capacity. Children who are back at school are regularly tested and strictly social-distanced, and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The point behind all the other points about masks is this: up until March this year, the conventional wisdom that you tout so much was that ordinary masks were not helpful against respiratory-transmitted viruses.

False. Having this lie told over and over does not make it any less false.

Dr. Fauci went on 60 Minutes back in March to say so!

Sorry, but still false. He most certainly did not say that ordinary masks were not helpful. That is a distortion of what he said. Why don’t you just quote his exact words and omit the faulty paraphrasing?

What basis in research and papers did they have at that time?.

Why do you assume only basic research would have any bearing on the policy? They obviously took into account the extent of the spread of the virus, which was substantially different in
April. Your attempts to paint the CDC as less competent than Internet bloggers is not working.

Further, there is no need for the recovered to continue to wear masks. They’re not vulnerable anymore nor are they transmitting.

So? You did not conclude anything from this observation.

But with cloth masks and the cheap Chinese paper masks, they are at risk of being carriers anyway.

Who is? The recovered? How?

Further, the paper you refuse to read featured a “super-emitter” in their survey sample and they found that masks did nearly nothing to stop that person from emitting when that person coughed.

So? I don’t know what policy implications you intend from this.

What’s particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising.

Apparently those measures either were not followed strictly enough, or were not sufficient. Again, what policy implications do you draw from this?

Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced,

Not so strictly as you think.

and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable.

Is it slowable? I think so. You have given no evidence that it isn’t.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Some of the masks come from China? How do we know there’s no asbestos fibers in them? China, after all, put lead in the paint on childrens’ toys to be sent here.

 

[Zzyzx_Road]

False. Having this lie told over and over does not make it any less false.

Dr. Fauci went on 60 Minutes back in March to say so!

Sorry, but still false. He most certainly did not say that ordinary masks were not helpful. That is a distortion of what he said. Why don’t you just quote his exact words and omit the faulty paraphrasing?

So maybe I misphrased this. But I took your dare. From the March 8 transcript (emphasis mine):

Fauci: Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks.

LaPook: You’re sure of it? Because people are listening really closely to this.

Fauci: Right now, people should not be worried. There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And often there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

Of course there is the disclaimer that came with the transcript that this is outdated advice. So back to you, what research came up that caused them to change their minds just a few weeks later?

Another question for you. The recovered are no longer affected by someone else’s transmission nor can they transmit. So again, why do they need to wear any masks at all?

Another point I’ve been making about masks is that if one truly desires mitigation effects, one needs to wear N95 or better. But the CDC guidelines specifically tell people not to wear the N95’s, which is essentially implying that the cheap masks are fine. Though I do see that the cloth mask guidance has been removed.

Do NOT use a mask meant for a healthcare worker.

Regarding masking orders, blaming the people seems to be the favorite excuse when cases spring up anyway despite their presence almost everywhere. At this point, more people are starting to realize that cheap masks are a load of baloney.

One more: do respiratory droplets never evaporate?