Celebrant without chasuble?

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I’ve seen this in summer in un-air conditioned churches. I’m sure the Mass still counts. If someone would like to consult the GIRM, I’m certain the answer would lie therein. Or have you consulted with the Pharisees?
The GIRM does prescribe what a priest must wear for Mass. I haven’t consulted the pharisees but perhaps you may want advise the Holy See, who set the standards, that they are pharisees. No matter the climatic conditions Bl. John Paul II always wore a chasuble at Mass on his Apostolic visits.
 
GIRM 299 tells us that the chasuble, worn over the alb and stole, is the vestment proper to the celebrant at Mass. Is this to be interpreted as saying that it is not licit for the celebrant to celebrate mass wearing only alb and stole?

If so, why are so many clergy so insistent on not wearing a chasuble for mass? To be fair, it generally happens in loosey-goosey suburban parishes, of the kind that are rife with liturgical abuses anyhow, so I suppose one cannot be too surprised.
In my diocese they only time I see a priest just wearing the stole and alb is if he is co celebrating Mass or in the confessional.

But yeah mostly only liberal parishes do things like this. I would report it.
 
The priest at the parish where I attended RCIA wore only the alb and stole, Sundays, daily Masses, funeral Masses, always. This was consistent with his other actions regarding the liturgy and many Church teachings. He also did general absolutions when there were too many people still waiting in line for confession. For RCIA, we did none of the prescribed rites. Very innovative and creative! Apparently he knew better than Rome. I wonder why people like that are even Catholic, let alone priests.

I never saw a chasuble until there was a large conference at the parish, and Fr John Trujillio celebrated Mass. I was asking people, why is he wearing that green robe?

By the way, the church was air conditioned and heated. It was never overly hot nor cold.
 
The priest at the parish where I attended RCIA wore only the alb and stole, Sundays, daily Masses, funeral Masses, always. This was consistent with his other actions regarding the liturgy and many Church teachings. He also did general absolutions when there were too many people still waiting in line for confession. For RCIA, we did none of the prescribed rites. Very innovative and creative! Apparently he knew better than Rome. I wonder why people like that are even Catholic, let alone priests.

I never saw a chasuble until there was a large conference at the parish, and Fr John Trujillio celebrated Mass. I was asking people, why is he wearing that green robe?

By the way, the church was air conditioned and heated. It was never overly hot nor cold.
That is liturgical abuse. He can’t make up his on rites or it inst valid.
 
Wow, don’t even know what to say about this. This is a wildly broad brush description of parishes. And clergy *insistent *on not wearing chasubles? Who are these men? Certainly no priest I’ve met across four continents.

If you’ve seen pictures only, are you sure the clergy in question are actually Catholic? Clergy in several protestant denominations wear similar vestaments and usually don’t wear a chasabule for the entire service.

If in your local suburban parish, the priests insists on not wearing proper vestaments, have you asked him why? And have you offered to spearhead the fundraising to buy him ones he will wear?
What an incomprehensibly rabid response, Mrs. Sally. You must be the most lucky Catholic on earth, because I have seen these kind of priests everywhere. There’s Father “I Wont Wear Chasubles” and his good friend, Father “I Think My Tie-Dyed Stole Looks Better Outside the Chasuble.” Then there’s their whole cadre of accomplices, like Brother “I Must Have Misplaced My Habit,” and Sister “Liturgical Dance is Fun.”

If you’ve truly never seen this, then I can only say don’t EVER leave your parish, or you’ll be in for a shock.
 
What an incomprehensibly rabid response, Mrs. Sally. You must be the most lucky Catholic on earth, because I have seen these kind of priests everywhere. There’s Father “I Wont Wear Chasubles” and his good friend, Father “I Think My Tie-Dyed Stole Looks Better Outside the Chasuble.” Then there’s their whole cadre of accomplices, like Brother “I Must Have Misplaced My Habit,” and Sister “Liturgical Dance is Fun.”

If you’ve truly never seen this, then I can only say don’t EVER leave your parish, or you’ll be in for a shock.
Well that was a nasty response.
 
In England and Wales, the principal celebrant wears a chasuble. Concelebrants are not obliged to wear one and may just wear alb and stole. That rule is probably for the benefit of churches that only own one of each liturgical colour.

In France, chasubles are rare. In Italy, especially in the South, priests often wear a pianeta which is a vestment that looks like a small chasuble but is put on like a humeral veil.

I once went to an ordination at the ancient cathedral in Avignon when it was extremely hot even by South of France standards. The cathedral was packed, but I managed to find a seat against a 1,000 year old pillar which felt cool. The priests processed in dressed in alb and stole - I know that trick, all you need wear under the alb is a pair of socks. Then the Archbishop arrived wearing full regalia including a fur cape over his chasuble. The service continued with about a dozen individuals collapsing from the heat. At the end, they opened the West door and the Archbishop, still in full regalia, stood in the sweltering heat of the afternoon sun shaking hands with everyone as they left. When I got to shake his hand, it was cold. I think he must have had refrigerated underwear.🤷
 
In France, chasubles are rare. In Italy, especially in the South, priests often wear a pianeta which is a vestment that looks like a small chasuble but is put on like a humeral veil.
What do you mean by that? A pianeta is just an Italian word for what we usually call a “Roman” or “fiddleback” chasuble. Definitely smaller than the Gothic chasubles that are predominant in most parts of the U.S. But what do you mean about putting it on like a humeral veil?

Non capisco! :confused:

it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pianeta_(liturgia
 
Well I think they do pretty nasty things to the Church.

picasaweb.google.com/stspeterandpaulchurch/StsPeterPaulFestival

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This is real. Really real. Although, to be fair, they do seem to have some chasubles.
Looks like the priests are wearing chasubles…the deacon does not have a dalmatic, but that is not required. And, who knows…maybe this is just a joyous prayer service???

What I am offended at is the man in the front left there only wearing shorts!! I cannot believe that a man would show his lower legs like that!

:eek:
 
Looks like the priests are wearing chasubles…the deacon does not have a dalmatic, but that is not required. And, who knows…maybe this is just a joyous prayer service???

What I am offended at is the man in the front left there only wearing shorts!! I cannot believe that a man would show his lower legs like that!

:eek:
Take a look at some of the pictures, but make sure you’re sitting down. One man (priest? deacon? who knows…) appears to be wearing a stole as a belt around his alb. It look nothing like the cincture the altar boy is wearing. And the liturgical dancers with their banners… Almost too much to take it all at once!

These pictures are taken from the mass that was held as part of their parish festival. They have pictures of the next year when the Bishop came for the festival. Boy did they “clean up” a bit. :rolleyes:
 
Take a look at some of the pictures, but make sure you’re sitting down. One man (priest? deacon? who knows…) appears to be wearing a stole as a belt around his alb. It look nothing like the cincture the altar boy is wearing. And the liturgical dancers with their banners… Almost too much to take it all at once!

These pictures are taken from the mass that was held as part of their parish festival. They have pictures of the next year when the Bishop came for the festival. Boy did they “clean up” a bit. :rolleyes:
Actually, the green belt looks just like what the boy altar server is wearing, so I don’t see a problem with it. I don’t see how he could wear a stole as a sash, as there is a built-in v-join which wouldn’t work, surely, and most stoles i’ve seen are quite thick, or lined, so wouldn’t sit like that. Nor do I see a problem with men having bare lower legs, to be honest, because some of the ladies have similar clothes, and if it’s alright for them, why not for the men.

But having said all that, I have to agree it looked pretty tacky. And so few people!!
 
PrayForMeStJude,

What’s going on with in the pic third row down, second to the last. It looks like a she is
behind the altar and the priest has the prayer book out for her to read.🤷
 
What an incomprehensibly rabid response, Mrs. Sally. You must be the most lucky Catholic on earth, because I have seen these kind of priests everywhere. There’s Father “I Wont Wear Chasubles” and his good friend, Father “I Think My Tie-Dyed Stole Looks Better Outside the Chasuble.” Then there’s their whole cadre of accomplices, like Brother “I Must Have Misplaced My Habit,” and Sister “Liturgical Dance is Fun.”

If you’ve truly never seen this, then I can only say don’t EVER leave your parish, or you’ll be in for a shock.
I do love my parish. 🙂 But I’ve been to Mass in cities all over the US, in South America, Europe, and Asia and never ran into people like that. I’m sure they exist, but I don’t think they are *everywhere *or as bad as people here at CAF seem to think. Perhaps you need to leave your parish more often! 😉
 
I do love my parish. 🙂 But I’ve been to Mass in cities all over the US, in South America, Europe, and Asia and never ran into people like that. I’m sure they exist, but I don’t think they are *everywhere *or as bad as people here at CAF seem to think. Perhaps you need to leave your parish more often! 😉
Respectfully, it seems as though you live in some sort of parallel universe that only overlaps on the internet. I’ve never attended a parish that didn’t follow this sort of pattern.
 
Respectfully, it seems as though **you live in some sort of parallel universe **that only overlaps on the internet. I’ve never attended a parish that didn’t follow this sort of pattern.
:rotfl::rotfl:

I assure you that my family agrees!
 
:rotfl::rotfl:

I assure you that my family agrees!
It could also depend on who said Mass that particular day she was visiting these other parishes. I used to belong to the Cathedral parish in upstate NY, and the ‘weekend associate’ (read retired priest who said Mass every 5th or 6th week) never wore a chasuble, but the other 2 or 3 priests who served the parish did. Of course we also called him ‘prop guy’ because he always would bring a prop for his homilies, and seemed to talk about college basketball more than the readings. 🤷 All kinds I guess.
 
Actually, the green belt looks just like what the boy altar server is wearing, so I don’t see a problem with it. I don’t see how he could wear a stole as a sash, as there is a built-in v-join which wouldn’t work, surely, and most stoles i’ve seen are quite thick, or lined, so wouldn’t sit like that. Nor do I see a problem with men having bare lower legs, to be honest, because some of the ladies have similar clothes, and if it’s alright for them, why not for the men.

But having said all that, I have to agree it looked pretty tacky. And so few people!!
We’ll never know on the belt thing… From some angles they still look quite different to me. And I have seen deacons get kind of, uh, “creative” with stole before. And not all stoles are presown in the V shape, so its not impossible.

But you’ve touched on what really matters: the parishes that do this stuff are (quite literally) dying off. Not many hippies left who like this junk in my generation.
PrayForMeStJude,

What’s going on with in the pic third row down, second to the last. It looks like a she is
behind the altar and the priest has the prayer book out for her to read.🤷
Sorry, our computers must be arranging the rows differently. I can’t tell which picture you mean.
I do love my parish. 🙂 But I’ve been to Mass in cities all over the US, in South America, Europe, and Asia and never ran into people like that. I’m sure they exist, but I don’t think they are *everywhere *or as bad as people here at CAF seem to think. Perhaps you need to leave your parish more often! 😉
Well if its a travell-off we’re having it’ll be a pretty even match. While I currently live in a very solid diocese which usually has wonderful liturgies, in the past few years I have lived in or visited multiple dioceses in California, Virginia, Michigan, England, Belgium, and Spain. And I know my parish and my diocese tend to be the exception, not the rule.

You keep doing what you’re doing, I suppose, because you’re either avoiding the mess better than I am, or I am much more observant. Either way you’re probably happier about it.
 
Or have you consulted with the Pharisees?
Does this have to come up every time someone talks about correcting liturgical abuse? It’s really getting old.

Jesus was not against following the cultic rituals of Judaesim. He was against the Pharisees trying to make people follow all the ritual purification that the priests were required to do. He was against them putting a boatload of additional restrictions on common people that simply didn’t need to be there.

Can we put this lame insult and thread derailer to rest once and for all? There is absolutely nothing wrong with enforcing the rubrics. If they weren’t enforced, they would be useless.
 
The bad thing is that, in all honesty, I don’t think there’s a single real rule against liturgical dance.
 
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