Celebrate Recovery

[CopticChristian]

I think you will find that there are a couple of people here that find contempt in the program, not because they have any first hand experience, but because the program did not originate in Rome.

continued…

1. Accountability with a group leader, “the variable format”
   Each week the format varies with this accountability with a group leader. The weeks break down as follows:

1. One evening devoted to prayer and singing exclusively.
2. One to an experience meeting with voluntary or solicited with an occasional word of encouragement, reproof, or advice as may seem best adapted, interspersed with appropriate songs.
3. Two evenings to Scripture recitations, bearing on some subject previously announced.

1. Accountability with a group leader, “the conversational plan”
   The group leader opens the meeting and announces the topic of conversation. Then the group leader gives his or her own experience concerning it, and the asks volunteers to do the same, all the while making all they say come out in the form of natural conversation. There was no discussing anything but experience.
2. Accountability with a group leader, “free talk”
   This method arose from disliking the old method of a brief testimony from each person and a reply from the leader (intended to avoid rambling and unprofitable conversation). Instead, crosstalk was encouraged. The leader gives out a scripture promise at the close of a meeting for the succeeding one. There was something of a system of texts, beginning with the Christian life, and then expressing different stages of advancement.
3. Accountability with a group leader (Probationers Class)
   Some societies had a 3 month probationary period. These societies allowed first two visits to a Methodist class society to check it out, one every other week, to protect the sensitivities of the current members. Evidently the probationary period was sometimes served as a part of a Class Society meeting and sometimes the probationary period was served as a separate meeting from the class. These were ministered to as those with convincing or convicting grace. The Method for this class is unknown, but it probably followed closely one of the 3 “older methods” of the class society. It is being listed as a separate method because the class was offered to those who were on a probationary status, and after satisfactory completion they would move onto a regular Class Society.
4. Group Accountability (Band Society)
   Where the Class Society was focused to be an entry point to Methodism, the Band Society was for those who experienced justifying grace, sought sanctification and wanted to maximize James 5:16: “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.

This was a small group without an appointed group leader, crosstalk throughout, divided by sex, age, and marital status, usually 4-6 members. The meetings were closed. They observed the “General Rules”, and the “Directions Given to the Band Societies”.
12) Group Accountability (Select Society)
No specific method of holiness. No group leader. Members “selected” by John Wesley or another official with senior ranking in the Methodist Societies. Usually a group of 4-6, they observed the “General Rules” and the “Directions Given to the Select Society” and practiced accountability for sanctification and for their gifts of the spirit.

1. Accountability with a Group Leader (Penitent Society)
   This group was comprised of persons who were backsliders from either the class or the band societies. The accountability method is unknown. Meetings were usually conducted on Saturday evening to separate them from the Class and Band Society meetings usually held on Thursday evening. John Wesley presided over many of these meetings with the “no one left behind” approach for those who wanted to repent and come back. They practiced accountability for their convicting grace

 

[CopticChristian]

I think you will find that there are a couple of people here that find contempt in the program, not because they have any first hand experience, but because the program did not originate in Rome.

So, AA, CR are religions not of the founder Christ. They are intended to recruit members. They are Protestant, Methodist in nature and if someone wants to go to a Protestant/Methodist ecclesial church service they should know that is what they are doing. Know in advance what it is you are attending and the nature of the program. Be forewarned.

It is the same old Protestant “get saved” and then after you "get saved’ spend 5 years learning Protestant theology and then you realize you are a Protestant…something you may not be aware of on entrance.

It has been my experience that too many AA meetings have “i ised to be catholic” people, recovering from Catholicism and many members promoting their Protestant communities. It would appear the CR is short circuiting the process building membership by holding meetings at Protestant communities with the intent to build membership with people at their weakest emotional low.

If you want to employ the Methodist formula you don’t have to go to a Protestant ecclesial community to do it. Employ the formula and stay in the bosom of the OHCAC.

 

[JMShermanEsq]

"For the only way to be able to speak of recovery is if you speak of addiction and if you speak of addiction then you speak of disease and that is all 12 step mumbo jumbo balooney jargon.

Celebrate I can tolerate. Recovery???

Why not just call the program celebrate? Because then the attraction of those that it is trying to attract would falter!!!

Based on my knowledge, training, and experience, less than 40% of the people who attend Celebrate Recovery are recovering from drug or alcohol addiction. The other 60% are there to find healing for issues such as OCD, anger, anxiety, and so on.

Also included in the 60% at Celebrate Recovery are those recovering from the sins of someone else. For example, there are spouses and adult children of addicts and alcoholics who are recovering from the selfish actions of someone who abdicated the role of husband or father. Even worse, there are survivors of physical, sexual, or emotional abuse who are recovering from deep wounds caused by someone they should have been able to trust. In these cases, “recovery” is the goal and it is the only word that fits. And, when the chains are broken, we Celebrate Recovery.

Blessings!

 

[CopticChristian]

Based on my knowledge, training, and experience, less than 40% of the people who attend Celebrate Recovery are recovering from drug or alcohol addiction. The other 60% are there to find** healing **for issues such as OCD, anger, anxiety, and so on.

Also included in the 60% at Celebrate Recovery are those recovering from the** sins **of someone else. For example, there are spouses and adult children of addicts and alcoholics who are recovering from the selfish actions of someone who abdicated the role of husband or father. Even worse, there are **survivors **of physical, sexual, or emotional abuse who are recovering from deep **wounds **caused by someone they should have been able to trust. In these cases, “recovery” is the goal and it is the only word that fits. And, when the chains are broken, we Celebrate Recovery.

Blessings!

Healing, resolving, getting over, coming to terms with, moving on, reconciling with, would also fit…You have inadverdently formed a subconcious opinion. Wounds are healed. Survivors forgive and reconcile. You have pointed out the fallacy of your own argument.

These are common everyday problems of different magnitude. Forgiveness, understanding, reconciling, healing and more do not require a Protestant organization to accomplish. It may be that those that go believe that it is a resource not knowing that they are being groomed for inculcation. It is impossible to know the minds of those that attend. I anticipate that it is touted as a christian alternative to a secular program. The secular program is no different. They are both Protestant to the core.

If this program were run by Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Muslims with the same intent to cause these people to join I wonder what your expert opinion would be.

It remains a Protestant organization and the question is what did people do prior to the commencement of CR. Were they hopelessly lost? Were they unable to heal?

In my opinion this is taking people at their weakest moments and recruiting them into Protestant thought. It is similar to the recruiting for AA.

What is important and I doubt your expert opinion can provide this, is success. AA has a less than 10% success rate. This is the standard of what a program can do. Provide statistics for me that prove that CR has an effect on any or all of the issues you provide an expert opinion. I rest. Your witness.

 

[CopticChristian]

Based on my knowledge, training, and experience, less than 40% of the people who attend Celebrate Recovery are recovering from drug or alcohol addiction. The other 60% are there to find healing for issues such as OCD, anger, anxiety, and so on.

Also included in the 60% at Celebrate Recovery are those recovering from the sins of someone else. For example, there are spouses and adult children of addicts and alcoholics who are recovering from the selfish actions of someone who abdicated the role of husband or father. Even worse, there are survivors of physical, sexual, or emotional abuse who are recovering from deep wounds caused by someone they should have been able to trust. In these cases, “recovery” is the goal and it is the only word that fits. And, when the chains are broken, we Celebrate Recovery.

Blessings!

While you are gathering statistics…help me understand this.

Is addiction sin or disease?
Abuse…innocent or victim?
Abandoned…innocent or victim?
Trust…innocent or through fault?
OCD…disease or sin?
Anger…normal or sin?
Anxiety…normal or other?

There is no way to know the minds of those that attend. Are they seeking a supposed “christian” alternative to the secular world not knowing that they are being groomed for inculcation to Protestant thought?

Would you have the same opinion if Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Muslims formulated a CR program that inculcated members into their organization?

In your expert opinion define recovery for me. Is recovery ongoing or is it a past event. In other words is there such a thing as recovered or is it something that is ongoing. For instance " I am in recovery" or “I have recovered”…If the CR is celebrating is it celebrating an ongoing event or a past event…does it ever not need to be celebrated?

While you gather your thoughts, I wait, I have already formulated my response…I wait, Counselor.

 

[blackirish]

I’ve been attending a Celebrate Recovery group for a little over a year now and it has been a real blessing. I have been battling a sexual addiction for over 30 years and have finally found something that helps. I thank God for Celebrate Recovery and my accountability group.

Good Luck and God bless.

 

[Faith1960]

Based on my knowledge, training, and experience, less than 40% of the people who attend Celebrate Recovery are recovering from drug or alcohol addiction. The other 60% are there to find healing for issues such as OCD, anger, anxiety, and so on.

Actually, AA’s success rate is controversial.

 

[CopticChristian]

I’ve been attending a Celebrate Recovery group for a little over a year now and it has been a real blessing. I have been battling a sexual addiction for over 30 years and have finally found something that helps. I thank God for Celebrate Recovery and my accountability group.

Good Luck and God bless.

Praise God for that. Paul would say you are battling concupiscence but whatever. Groups are filled with testimonials. Testimonials are proof of testimonials. For every problem that exists there is a testimonial something that it worked for them. This is fine. The problem is how do we decide what the problem is, apply a solution, and then perform a statistic analysis as to the effectiveness in large groups. I thank God you are no longer suffering from whatever it is you have a problem with. Sexual addiction as you know covers in the jargon many things. My experience with this group includes Bestiality, Love and Sex Addiction, Incest, Pornography, Masturbation, and the numerous other paraphelias, a list too long to type…Whatever you struggle with I am grateful you found something for you.

 

[CopticChristian]

Actually, AA’s success rate is controversial.

So true. It is difficult to find CR success rates because it their stated purpose…The ultimate goal of the CR program, beyond recovery, is discipleship., in other words to turn someone into a Protestant. This is no different than AA, giving up the so called “addiction” for addiction to AA.

Accroding to AA,

“After just one month in the Fellowship, 81% of the new members have already dropped out. After three months, 90% have left, and 95% have discontinued attendance inside one year.” (Kolenda, 2003, Golden Text Publishing Company).

Other data shows that there is a rate of spontaneous recovery if you believe in recovery and that the success rate for AA is as follows:

Even the most ardent true believers who will be honest about it recognize that A.A. and N.A. have at least 90% failure rates. And the real numbers are more like 95% or 98% or 100% failure rates. It depends on who is doing the counting, how they are counting, and what they are counting or measuring.

A 5% success rate is nothing more than the rate of spontaneous remission in alcoholics and drug addicts.

A Harvard study notes that the rates of spontaneous remission and the success of AA are about the same

Alcoholism is in the middle. The Harvard Medical School reported that in the long run, the rate of spontaneous remission in alcoholics is slightly over 50 percent. That means that the annual rate of spontaneous remission is around 5 percent.

Thus, an alcoholism treatment program that seems to have a 5% success rate probably really has a zero percent success rate

The following website provides the following informatioin.

addictioninfo.org/articles/1587/1/Estimates-of-AAs-Effectiveness/Page1.html

Using the figure of five years’ sobriety as the criterion of success, one arrives at an AA success rate of approximately 2.6% to 3.5% (in comparison with the total number of “alcoholics” in the U.S. and Canada). And the success rate is lower than that if one defines “success” as AA does-as lifelong abstinence

.

The take home message is that CR inculcates members in Protestant thought and since the remission rate is the same as compared to doing nothing then when remission occurs credit is given to the program for those that stay…and we get a testimonial.

CR sole purpose is to inculcate protestant thought with the intent to perform discipleship at the weakest moments in a persons life.

 

[CopticChristian]

I’ve been attending a Celebrate Recovery group for a little over a year now and it has been a real blessing. I have been battling a sexual addiction for over 30 years and have finally found something that helps. I thank God for Celebrate Recovery and my **accountability group. **
Good Luck and God bless.

Recall from my Post 101 as AA parallels Methodism…

**8) Accountability with a group leader, “the conversational plan” **The group leader opens the meeting and announces the topic of conversation. Then the group leader gives his or her own experience concerning it, and the asks volunteers to do the same, all the while making all they say come out in the form of natural conversation. There was no discussing anything but experience.

**9) Accountability with a group leader, “free talk” **This method arose from disliking the old method of a brief testimony from each person and a reply from the leader (intended to avoid rambling and unprofitable conversation). Instead, crosstalk was encouraged. The leader gives out a scripture promise at the close of a meeting for the succeeding one. There was something of a system of texts, beginning with the Christian life, and then expressing different stages of advancement.

**10) Accountability with a group leader (Probationers Class)**Some societies had a 3 month probationary period. These societies allowed first two visits to a Methodist class society to check it out, one every other week, to protect the sensitivities of the current members. Evidently the probationary period was sometimes served as a part of a Class Society meeting and sometimes the probationary period was served as a separate meeting from the class. These were ministered to as those with convincing or convicting grace. The Method for this class is unknown, but it probably followed closely one of the 3 “older methods” of the class society. It is being listed as a separate method because the class was offered to those who were on a probationary status, and after satisfactory completion they would move onto a regular Class Society.

**11) Group Accountability (Band Society)**Where the Class Society was focused to be an entry point to Methodism, the Band Society was for those who experienced justifying grace, sought sanctification and wanted to maximize James 5:16: “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.

This was a small group without an appointed group leader, crosstalk throughout, divided by sex, age, and marital status, usually 4-6 members. The meetings were closed. They observed the “General Rules”, and the “Directions Given to the Band Societies”.
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12) Group Accountability (Select Society)**No specific method of holiness. No group leader. Members “selected” by John Wesley or another official with senior ranking in the Methodist Societies. Usually a group of 4-6, they observed the “General Rules” and the “Directions Given to the Select Society” and practiced accountability for sanctification and for their gifts of the spirit.

**13) Accountability with a Group Leader (Penitent Society)**This group was comprised of persons who were backsliders from either the class or the band societies. The accountability method is unknown. Meetings were usually conducted on Saturday evening to separate them from the Class and Band Society meetings usually held on Thursday evening. John Wesley presided over many of these meetings with the “no one left behind” approach for those who wanted to repent and come back. They practiced accountability for their convicting grace

CR/Methodism in action…

 

[JMShermanEsq]

In my opinion [Celebrate Recovery] is taking people at their weakest moments and recruiting them into Protestant thought.

As a follower of Jesus Christ, it is my obligation (and yours) to meet people in their weakest moments and introduce them to Jesus Christ who told us “Come to me, all of you who are tired and have heavy loads, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28 (NCV). We introduce people to Jesus Christ at Celerate Recovery. I assure you we have no interest in recruiting people to Protestant thought because Protestant thought (or Catholic thought) without Christ will not benefit their recovery or their soul.

Blessings!

 

[CopticChristian]

As a follower of Jesus Christ, it is my obligation (and yours) to meet people in their weakest moments and introduce them to Jesus Christ who told us “Come to me, all of you who are tired and have heavy loads, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28 (NCV). We introduce people to Jesus Christ at Celerate Recovery. I assure you we have no interest in recruiting people to Protestant thought because Protestant thought (or Catholic thought) without Christ will not benefit their recovery or their soul.

Blessings!

As a follower of Christ I am obligated to introduce people to the truth, for without it Christ will not benefit their salvation or their soul.

Repent, as you recall, is to “change your mind”…I am concerned that the changing of the mind with abberrant thought may not aid much, in the long run, in my opinion.

I am the way the truth and the light, to be free, truly free of all infirmities…the truth will set you free.

The defense rests.

 

[JMShermanEsq]

If this program were run by Mormons, Jehovah Witness, Muslims with the same intent to cause these people to join I wonder what your expert opinion would be.

The only relevant question for this thread is whether I would recommend a Celebrate Recovery to someone if the program is run out of a Catholic Church. The answer is YES because Catholics worship the same Jesus Christ that I worship.

If, however, you are equating Protestants with Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Muslims . . . shame on you. I’m sure your Church would not agree.

Blessings!

 

[CopticChristian]

The only relevant question for this thread is whether I would recommend a Celebrate Recovery to someone if the program is run out of a Catholic Church. The answer is YES because Catholics worship the same Jesus Christ that I worship.

If, however, you are equating Protestants with Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Muslims . . . shame on you. I’m sure your Church would not agree.

Blessings!

I asked you what your expert opinion would be if CR was run out of Mormon, Jehovah Witness or Muslim organizations. You inferred something I did not write.

You then agreed that if CR would be run out of a Catholic Church you would recommend it. You say this because we worship the same Christ. Now I could say that we have no common worship in the Eucharist but I won’t go there.

What you are saying is exactly what I was asking. You agree that since there is a common element, Christ, that the recommendation would be appropriate. If CR is to be useful then it has to be useful for all comers not just those that have Christ in common to be effective.

I am not saying that Christ is ineffective. I am saying that using this modality to address the issue is not necessarily effective. I do not believe that the Catholic Church would condone this modality as it borders on forced conversion in consideration that those that come may not be aware that conversion is the end goal and those that come are not looking to be converted and are looking for something else.

It is like this. In marriage you expect that your spouse is something and later you discover that they are not and you were decieved. For instance. You marry and later discover that your spouse failed to disclose to you something that made the marriage unreconcilable. I will say for instance crossdressing. If the spouse had known that the other was a crossdresser the marriage would never have taken place. This is the same for inviting someone in for something with the intenition of doing something else knowing that the person seeks something without wanting what it is being offered. This appears to me to be the same clandestine modus operandi of AA.

During the course of AA meetings it is read over and over again…as you hear of the stories of those that changed their lives…“if you want what we got…then” Sooner or later you ask “how do I get what you got”…then the process begins…

Shame on you for shaming me. I forgive you, for you did not know what you did. Your expert opinion needs some polishing.

 

[ufamtobie]

The Lord said to love people like me. I am your neighbor. As for the wolves, was He talking about people like me or people like Paul? He said by their works you shall know them. I never hunted down Christians or anyone else for that matter. Paul did. I never wrote denigrating things about women or homosexuals, all of whom are God’s beloved children and call it God’s words. Who are the wolves and who are the sheep? The sheep and the wolves are both creations of God. The one who loves the sheep as well as the wolf is the one who sees the Lord.

Sufjon,

Yes you are my neighbor, but what kind of neighbor are you, did Jesus Christ come in the Flesh or in Spirit?

Yes, perhaps you never hunted down Christians, but you are hunting down His Church that He established and calling it a “distraction”, did you not say: "It is not about putting up walls. The church is inside you. Anything else is a distraction that causes divisions among people. Spending a lot of time on such things takes one away from one’s Father’s business.

We are the Church, if one is united to Christ, that being said He also established a Church building that we may enter and Worship Him there and this you call a distraction.

He broke the bread and gave it to His disciples and told them to do that in memory of Him. That does not imply build a building to do it in. As I recall, he was in a regular home at the time.

Sufjon,
it is more difficult for you to attend this is why you have this false belief re: Church/buildings where one should worship.

Ufam Tobie

 

[CopticChristian]

The only relevant question for this thread is whether I would recommend a Celebrate Recovery to someone if the program is run out of a Catholic Church. The answer is YES because Catholics worship the same Jesus Christ that I worship.

If, however, you are equating Protestants with Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Muslims . . . shame on you. I’m sure your Church would not agree.

Blessings!

I am not interested in the past, who went, who succeeded or who is in AA or CR. I am interested in the truth of what AA is. The Circuit courts have declared AA to be a religion.

The so called “big book” has a letter from a priest endorsing the program. The problem is we don’t know what the priest is endorsing because it may just be the 12 steps. There is no impramatur. It is one priests opinion.

There is a letter from an Anglican clergy endorsing the book but so what. Anglicans have no binding authority. It is one Anglicans opinion.

There is a part called the varieties of religous experience that if you read the entire original article is Protestant through and through…

Then there is the companion that outlines defects of Character. When I read this in the Big Book and wondered what in the world is this book talking about, I found out when I read the companion…check this out…

When ready, we say something like this: “My Creator, I am now willing that you should have all of me, good and bad. I pray that you now remove from me every single defect of character which stands in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows. Grant me strength, as I go out from here, to do your bidding. Amen.” We have then completed Step Seven.

have then completed Step Seven.
-A.A. Big Book p.76
If that degree of humility could enable us to find the **grace **by which such a deadly obsession could be banished, then there must be hope of the same result respecting any other problem we could possibly have.

• Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, p. 76

For the reality is, only God can take away our Sin, our deeply entrenched addictions, and our lifelong character defects. It is on this pathway, where we humbly ask God to remove all these defects of character, that the tools of recovery bring the healing, happiness, and security we have dreamed of. But once more it is only powerlessness and pain that can force us to take the seventh Step into humility.

Our Sin. These are the defects of Character. These are aided by the grace of God. Our addictions, our character defects = SIN…

This is the point of Jesus Christ the bearer of the water of life says…Sin and Salvation is the answer. The AA program talks about addiction and recovery, where addiction is a spiritual disease…whatever that means…and recovery. If you look at recovery it is through grace, removing sin…and is that making any sense. CR on the other hand goes right for the Protestant jugular approach with the intent to convert in the process.

What in the world. The AA halls have grace, remove Sin, and provide hope. It is Christ that provides hope, provides grace and removes Sin…I am told that Christ is not spoken of in these meetings however you can talk about light bulbs. What the heck is that?

Why are people so oblivious to what is going on in these meetings. If you are a Protestant then this is not offensive. If you part of the OHCAC then why do you need to go to AA and particularly CR to have your sins forgiven and get grace…

This is my opinion based on knowledge, training and experience.

 

[blackirish]

I posted earlier about the help celebrate recovery has been to me. I would like to share my testimony.

I have had problems with pornography since my teenage years. From pornography it moved to my thought life and to masturbation. This went on for 30 years. I never fought it until my marriage failed and I realized the part my sin played. Scripture and this website was helpful to me in realizing the sinfulness of masturbation. I had heard from lots of friends (church friends included) that it was normal and not a big deal. Every guy does it. The Catholic church is one of the few churches to call masturbation what it is, a sin. I needed that confirmation before I could fight it.

I have been in celebrate recovery for a year and a half and have been up to 8 months without masturbation. Thank you Lord. Slowly my thoughts have changed too. Had to cut way back on TV, internet, and just keeping my eyes where they belong. That and spending time in scripture and prayer. Also put a crucifix in my bedroom. It helps to see our Lord on the cross and remember the price he paid for my sins.

Hope my testimony helps someone else. I guess it shows it is never too late to repent.

 

[CopticChristian]

I posted earlier about the help celebrate recovery has been to me. I would like to share my testimony.

I have had problems with pornography since my teenage years. From pornography it moved to my thought life and to masturbation. This went on for 30 years. I never fought it until my marriage failed and I realized the part my sin played. Scripture and this website was helpful to me in realizing the sinfulness of masturbation. I had heard from lots of friends (church friends included) that it was normal and not a big deal. Every guy does it. **The Catholic church is one of the few churches to call masturbation what it is, a sin. I needed that confirmation before I could fight it. **
I have been in celebrate recovery for a year and a half and have been up to 8 months without masturbation. Thank you Lord. Slowly my thoughts have changed too. Had to cut way back on TV, internet, and just keeping my eyes where they belong. That and spending time in scripture and prayer. Also put a crucifix in my bedroom. It helps to see our Lord on the cross and remember the price he paid for my sins.

Hope my testimony helps someone else. I guess it shows it is never too late to repent.

Praise God for your insight and gratitude for Christ. If you have not heard of dark night of the soul, by St John of the Cross you may find this similar to what you are doing with scripture, prayer and the crucifix and your recollection. I have not visited this for awhile and one of my recollections was to see yourself at Calvary saying as you say, look what you have done, ask what have I done and what can I do…something like that.

Your thoughts bring to mind several parallel thoughts. Imagine every other than Catholic Church goer that is not taught about sins. You would think well the Catholic Church is just so preoccupied with sin what’s the big deal, I will just ask for forgiveness in my closet. The confessional is powerful. I have heard that many Protestants go to confession as their first step towards understanding. No priest would kick you out of the confessional. It is like having a counselor who listens except every answer you get isn’t what a counselor will give you.

I am open to share some things I have heard in confession. I paricularly like the Irish priests in a confessional. No matter what sin confessed…“son these are grave sins however you should know that that these are nothing compared to the sins against Charity that you speak of…you must be kind and loving, your Lord gave his life, he gave you his mother”…

Now if you consider the sins you speak of and the consequences as you speak. The gravest sin is the sin against Charity is it not? It is not for me to judge however understand that for every sin there is a consequence and the consequences of lack of charity as it occured in your marriage appear to be devastating. I am sad for that. My prayers are with you and I pray you continue journeying on to glorification.

Think of where you are, think of what you have done for self correction including CR and as you know the Lord leads many in mysterious ways and rather than seeing yourself here on this site in opposition to what I say…ask…is it possible the journey continues and perhaps not where I was planning…for after all this is Catholic Answers and I am a Catholic. Then ask yourself…do I really have the answer?

 

[JMShermanEsq]

For an excellent article about Celebrate Recovery in a Catholic Parish in Lima, Ohio, please click on the following link and go to page 21 of the Catholic Chronicle for the Diocese of Toledo. Blessings!

 

[jwright82]

I am a member of CR for drug use and pornography. I love being a part of it. It has helped me tremendously and I recomend it to everyone. I am proud to say that I am in CR. If they try to make you “prostatent” and that bothers you than just resist. My group never does that but we do not have any Catholics in our group.