Celebrating mass in diffrent rites

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In kerala mass is celebrated in in latin rite ,syro-malabar rite andsyro-malankara rite I am not able to understand the purpose of celebrating mass in dffrent rites If mass is celebrated in uniform rite there will be more uity in laity
 
josethekke said:
In kerala mass is celebrated in in latin rite ,syro-malabar rite andsyro-malankara rite I am not able to understand the purpose of celebrating mass in dffrent rites If mass is celebrated in uniform rite there will be more uity in laity
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Is the Latin Rite celebrated in Latin?
 
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In all the three rites mass is clebrated in malayalm language
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So are there other languages in the community, such that people are left out on account of not understanding?

We don’t have a similar situation here, but I was in a neigborhood last hear where the nearest Catholic Church was Maronite. They celebrate mostly in English, but the Canon is in ancient Syriac. I had no problem following along. I thought it was great!

BTW: in my parish, we have a Syro-Malabar Mass once a month. I’ve never been, but one of these days I will. 👍 I believe the different rites are precious jewels in the Church’s spiritual treasury.
 
josethekke said: <<n kerala mass is celebrated in in latin rite ,syro-malabar rite andsyro-malankara rite I am not able to understand the purpose of celebrating mass in dffrent rites If mass is celebrated in uniform rite there will be more uity in laity>>

It’s the wish of the Church that the Eastern Liturgies be preserved. Deal with it.
 
One of the Patres at my university celebrates in an eastern-catholic rite too (I have forgotten which one exactly), and all students are ecouraged to participate to preserve the rich hertiage of this rite, as he expresses it 👍
 
Jose,
As a malayalee, I would’ve expected you to appreciate the richness of the Christian and Catholic traditions we have in Kerala. The three separate rites are a product of the unique development of Christianity within Kerala. Although, the differences in rites have resulted from tragic divisions in the Malankara Church, they have added to the diversity abound in Kerala.

If we were to celebrate mass/qurbana in one rite, which one would you suggest? I am going to jump the gun and assume you would want it celebrated in Latin? Why abandon our culture and traditions, Our Father in God, St. Thomas the Apostle did not preach to us in Latin nor did he follow the post Vatican II revisions in the liturgy. Not to re-open any historical wounds, but it was the actions and ignorance of certain Latin Catholics (the Portuguese) that resulted in the divisions within the Malankara Church.

In my opinion, the Kerala was always rooted in Eastern Christianity and Western Christianity does not have a place there, be it the Latin Catholic Church nor the Pentecostals.

In Him,

Georgee
 
josethekke said:
In kerala mass is celebrated in in latin rite ,syro-malabar rite andsyro-malankara rite I am not able to understand the purpose of celebrating mass in dffrent rites If mass is celebrated in uniform rite there will be more uity in laity
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On the early days, many local churches had developed their own traditions concerning the Liturgy. This is why we have the Holy Qurbana, the Soorp Badarak, the Divine Liturgy of St. James, the Divine Liturgy of St. Basil, the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, the Liturgy of St. Gregory, and the Divine Liturgy of St. Mark in the Eastern and Oriental Churches.

Even the western Church itself has a plethora of Rites:
-The Roman Rite (the most widespread and more commonly known liturgical rite of the western Church; this is what people first think of when someone says Catholic)
-The Mozarabic Rite (the Rite used since in Spain since the rule of the Visigoths, perhaps even earlier)
-The Ambrosian Rite (the Rite used in Milan and nearby places)
-The Gallican Rite (used in ancient France; actually not a single Rite but a family of Rites. Presently defunct)
-The Celtic Rite (family of Rites used in Britain, also defunct)

There are also what we call ‘Uses’, which are local adaptations of a specific Rite, say the Roman. There were many Uses of the Roman Rite during the Medieval Period until they were mostly abandoned or were supressed when Pope Paul V released Quo Primum, promulgating his revision of the Roman Rite.
 
Well, if things had all been allowed to develop naturally there would only be one rite in a given locality - the maxim “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” is a liturgical one. Once churches with differing liturgical traditions broke communion with each other, though, the local rites got transplanted to follow the faithful of a particular communion. In handling the restoration of union, we knew no one should have to give up the ancient liturgical expressions of their people, yet at the same time those who had come to the Church when the only Catholics were Latins shouldn’t have to give up the traditions in which they had come to the faith. So since we think they are all worth preserving, we now have the historically odd phenomenon of overlapping jurisdictions and their rites in one locality. Is it the ancient ideal? No. But should one venerable rite be taken from a people just because the vicissitudes of history have complicated the picture? No again.
 
gthever said:
Jose,
As a malayalee, I would’ve expected you to appreciate the richness of the Christian and Catholic traditions we have in Kerala. The three separate rites are a product of the unique development of Christianity within Kerala. Although, the differences in rites have resulted from tragic divisions in the Malankara Church, they have added to the diversity abound in Kerala.

If we were to celebrate mass/qurbana in one rite, which one would you suggest? I am going to jump the gun and assume you would want it celebrated in Latin? Why abandon our culture and traditions, Our Father in God, St. Thomas the Apostle did not preach to us in Latin nor did he follow the post Vatican II revisions in the liturgy. Not to re-open any historical wounds, but it was the actions and ignorance of certain Latin Catholics (the Portuguese) that resulted in the divisions within the Malankara Church.

In my opinion, the Kerala was always rooted in Eastern Christianity and Western Christianity does not have a place there, be it the Latin Catholic Church nor the Pentecostals.

In Him,

Georgee
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St.Thomas preached the same gospel as other disciples preached. Mathew 28, 19-20 ‘Go then to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples baptize them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit .and teach them to obey everything I gave commanded toyou.And I will be with you always to the end of the age’ And also the same Eucharist celebrated Mathew 26, 26-28 as our lord celebrated in the last supper
So it is a good idea having a common mass for all rites in kerala. To day in a Latin rite parish in kerala, where both Latin and syro-malabar believers are attending, the syro-malabar believers were denied to celebrate mass. They celebrated mass in near by Hindu temple. Now it is the time to think about the need for different rites
 
Christianity was preached mainly in 3 different traditions: Latin, Greek and Aramaic (Syriac). These three languages being used on the head plate on the Cross (by Pilate) is very relevant. And it is in these traditions that the Apostles carried the Good News far and wide. The orient, east of the Roman empire, was Aramaic (Syriac) country. Malabar in India as elsewhere was under this tradition. The faith was the same, but spirituality differed. All worshipped the same God, thru His only Son. but the worshipping postures differed. The latin colonizers could not accept a worship practice (of the uncultured natives) different from that of the imperial west. There are many of the westernized Catholics in India, even today, who feel that there should be only one rite for entire India (Latin!!). What is this argument based on? Population? Number of religious and clergy? Syriac Catholics are by far a great majority. Of all the clergy and religious in India, including those serving in the Latin dioceses, over 75% are from Syriac families, Luckily, there is a proper awareness of this at the Vatican, especially after Vatican II (Thanks to the great efforts by Cardinal Tisserrant and Fr Placid, among others). Unfortunately, some in the Syro Malabar church including some bishops are wanting to follow a combined hotch-potch mixture (Latin/Syriac/Indian and what not!!). Shameful indeed. Mar Thoma would be turning in his grave.
 
josethekke said:
In kerala mass is celebrated in in latin rite ,syro-malabar rite andsyro-malankara rite I am not able to understand the purpose of celebrating mass in dffrent rites If mass is celebrated in uniform rite there will be more uity in laity
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Go to states in America where there are no non-Roman Catholics and report back what the "unity of the Laity situation is there.

Diversity in ritual and pieties does not divide our Faith.

Simple - A Greek Catholic
 
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