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Andyman1517
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Well Carl, I labor the obvious because unitarians are not christians. I don’t know what you’re definition of christianity is, but for me, being a christian excludes those who don’t believe in the divinity of Christ. This automatically excludes Unitarians, regardless of what some fool at the University of Florida thinks.
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Andyman says I should be ashamed of myself for:
Andyman Does Not Like the Truth.
- Suggesting that Andyman is NOT looking for answers.:nope:
- Telling other posters that since he is an Ex-Catholic, he is seeking justification for his Apostasy.( a renounciation of his faith).
3.I have seen similar appeals from apostates. Actually, they will Never be satisfied with true Catholic Answers. It is an ego-satisfying exercise he is engaging in. I suggested that we ignore him. He just wants to bash Catholics. - After he admitted that he doesn’t belive in the Real Presence, then why would a married Priesthood be important. He slapped us in the face.
Andyman Does Not Like the Truth.
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Andyman wrote:“I’m willing to tell you what my view is on the Eucharist, but I feel very very strongly about it. I really don’t want to discuss something like this on a discussion board with a bunch of people that feel the complete opposite of me. I acknowledge that they don’t understand what I believe, and I don’t understand what they believe. In the spirit of ecumenism, I don’t think it’s wise to go much deeper into this issue.”
Malachi Martin was an eminant theologian and a former professor at the Vatican’s Pontifical Biblical Institute. After some years of being appointed as an Exorcist he wrote a book, Hostage to the Devil.
We see, above in an earlier post, that Andyman rejects the Eucharist. Fr. Martin releates that the Evil One hates the Eucharist and cries out against it. Read the book and see if this is true. It was Jesus, himself who instituted the Eucharist,what more does he want?
Malachi Martin was an eminant theologian and a former professor at the Vatican’s Pontifical Biblical Institute. After some years of being appointed as an Exorcist he wrote a book, Hostage to the Devil.
We see, above in an earlier post, that Andyman rejects the Eucharist. Fr. Martin releates that the Evil One hates the Eucharist and cries out against it. Read the book and see if this is true. It was Jesus, himself who instituted the Eucharist,what more does he want?
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Beaver
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You are telling God and us that you have aready made it. I think you should let God speak.
Who said that we were commanding God? Christ is informing us and we are lissening.
Correct and that is just why the disciple dimmished in number even to the point were Christ had to ask are you twelve leaving also? Jesus is the Jewish passover lamb. He is the lamb eaten by the disciples at the last supper.
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Andyman1517
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No Beaver, I haven’t made it. And God is all knowing, he has already done his speaking, we’ll just have to wait to see what he had to say.
Sorry beaver for coming off as hostile. I believe your opinion is incorrect, but I still respect your faith. I wish you could respect mine.
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Andyman1517
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So I simply don’t believe what you do. Does that mean I need an exorcism? Please Exporter, people can have differing ideas and still respect one another. I will be praying that you will come closer to God and see your error.
I admit that I too can get a little hostile at times. I apologize if I have insulted you. I am thankful I have been able to confess my sin directly to Jesus and ask forgiveness. He has forgiven me, I hope you can forgive me as well.
I am not looking to convert you, as I’m sure you’re not looking to convert me. Let’s let bygones be bygones. If you would like to learn any more about my take on the Lord’s Supper, I’d be happy to share it with you.
God Bless you Exporter
In Christ,
Andrew
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Andyman
*Isn’t eating the flesh of a man canabalism? Doesn’t God think of this as an abomination? *
Then you say you respect our faith. That is a less than truthful sentiment coming from you. If we were an abomination to God, we should be an abomination to you.
Please spare us your phoney charity.
*Isn’t eating the flesh of a man canabalism? Doesn’t God think of this as an abomination? *
Then you say you respect our faith. That is a less than truthful sentiment coming from you. If we were an abomination to God, we should be an abomination to you.
Please spare us your phoney charity.
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Andyman1517
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No Carl, you’re wrong. I do respect your faith, and I apologize for my statement. It was uncalled for. I was at my wits end with some of the statements you and others had made. I know this is no excuse. Sorry.
Also. I never called you or any catholic personally an abomination, I just wanted you guys to stop and think about what you were saying. I’m ashamed of what I said. Please don’t rub it in.
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Paul Garaughty PhD a professor of Moral Theology said: We don’t gain wisdom by sitting and thinking a lot. No, we get wisdom after we’ve been handed our heads many times- and then we realise that Holy Mother Church was right…after all.
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Andyman
Please don’t rub it in.
We don’t want to rub it in. We only want to make clear what we believe in and let the world know we are proud of what we believe in … God’s own truth.
That truth is sometimes not easy to grasp, especially where the great mysteries are concerned: Trinity; Creation; Incarnation; Transubstantiation; all the rest. But if we can accept any one of these mysteries, we should not have to question the others, and especially when there is clear scriptural basis for them.
With God all things are possible. If God could enter the human race in the person of Jesus, God could enter the sacred Bread and Wine. The Jews could not believe He had entered the human race, and they hated Jesus for blasphemy. The Protestants cannot believe he could become the Eucharist, and they despise Catholics for cannibalism.
The Catholic Church embraces the mysteries, all of them. It does not pick and choose which to embrace and which to reject. It alone is the true Bible religion. Indeed, the New Testament Gospels and letters were assembled by the Catholic Church.
This is a fact Protestants will never be able to overcome. All Protestants living today owe their heritage to Martin Luther, who started toying with the Bible to suit himself.
You can change the Bible. You can refuse to read certain parts of the Bible, or you can translate the Bible to soft peddle things you do not want to believe, or you can pretend that Jesus did not really mean what he said. But you cannot ignore the one universal Gospel that was preached for sixteen centuries before Martin Luther started the Protestant revolution that has degenerated into thousands of true religions, each pronouncing all the others in error, yet all agreeing to renounce the Catholic faith that gave them their creed and their Bible and their traditions in the first place.
Please don’t rub it in.
We don’t want to rub it in. We only want to make clear what we believe in and let the world know we are proud of what we believe in … God’s own truth.
That truth is sometimes not easy to grasp, especially where the great mysteries are concerned: Trinity; Creation; Incarnation; Transubstantiation; all the rest. But if we can accept any one of these mysteries, we should not have to question the others, and especially when there is clear scriptural basis for them.
With God all things are possible. If God could enter the human race in the person of Jesus, God could enter the sacred Bread and Wine. The Jews could not believe He had entered the human race, and they hated Jesus for blasphemy. The Protestants cannot believe he could become the Eucharist, and they despise Catholics for cannibalism.
The Catholic Church embraces the mysteries, all of them. It does not pick and choose which to embrace and which to reject. It alone is the true Bible religion. Indeed, the New Testament Gospels and letters were assembled by the Catholic Church.
This is a fact Protestants will never be able to overcome. All Protestants living today owe their heritage to Martin Luther, who started toying with the Bible to suit himself.
You can change the Bible. You can refuse to read certain parts of the Bible, or you can translate the Bible to soft peddle things you do not want to believe, or you can pretend that Jesus did not really mean what he said. But you cannot ignore the one universal Gospel that was preached for sixteen centuries before Martin Luther started the Protestant revolution that has degenerated into thousands of true religions, each pronouncing all the others in error, yet all agreeing to renounce the Catholic faith that gave them their creed and their Bible and their traditions in the first place.
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Beaver
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You are a brother in Christ. Christ is not through with you yet. We are closer than you think. I suggest that you get the book: The Salvation Controversy by James Akin. It goes through TULIP and shows how ofen we misunderstand one another because we do not know the meaning of our words.Sorry beaver for coming off as hostile. I believe your opinion is incorrect, but I still respect your faith. I wish you could respect mine.
Love is our efforts to get the other into heaven. I teach bible study in my parish just for this reason. I respect the fact that your faith has done this for years. Your example has inspired me.
The church reformed and always to be reformed
Luther was right but it was not the church which needed reform it was it’s members. Conversion ends only with death.
You can not help that which you were taught.
I pray for you and everyone I know for love teaches me this. To love some is to desire the altimate goal of heaven for that person. God Bless…
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dessy
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hi Andy,
please let me try following ur question one by one.
FIRST:why universal celibacy for priest.
ANS:to my little understanding this is to enable them show comentment to their vocation and the church,comentment to their prayer lives,service without restrain and thinking of any family attachment, they migth be posted to any where by their bishop or call on without notice and they but obey, which is vow they took a family man has is limit, for abounding ur family wihout good care is a sin.
SECOND:is celibate life more holy than married life?
ANS:no. reason, if you wish to live and promise to live a celibacy life and rigth there in ur mind is full of something else,no keeping ur promise more grievious. 2.u can be married and life better than person living a celibate lifeprovide you take good care of ur(your)married life ,childern bringing them in the way and fear of God &must keep the commandment conserning marriage
please let me try following ur question one by one.
FIRST:why universal celibacy for priest.
ANS:to my little understanding this is to enable them show comentment to their vocation and the church,comentment to their prayer lives,service without restrain and thinking of any family attachment, they migth be posted to any where by their bishop or call on without notice and they but obey, which is vow they took a family man has is limit, for abounding ur family wihout good care is a sin.
SECOND:is celibate life more holy than married life?
ANS:no. reason, if you wish to live and promise to live a celibacy life and rigth there in ur mind is full of something else,no keeping ur promise more grievious. 2.u can be married and life better than person living a celibate lifeprovide you take good care of ur(your)married life ,childern bringing them in the way and fear of God &must keep the commandment conserning marriage
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Beaver
Luther was right but it was not the church which needed reform it was it’s members. Conversion ends only with death.
Right you are.
As Jacques Maritain put it in his last book before his death, The Church of Christ, we have to distinguish between the Person of the Church and the Personnel of the Church. The Church as Person was guaranteed never to teach error, but there was no guarantee that its members would not fall into error and sin. The Church is always reforming itself, and was in the process of doing so when Luther appeared on the scene. But the Catholic reform was not to change the heart of its teachings so much as to change the hearts of its followers.
The Catholic Church is still and always engaged in that mission.
Luther was right but it was not the church which needed reform it was it’s members. Conversion ends only with death.
Right you are.
As Jacques Maritain put it in his last book before his death, The Church of Christ, we have to distinguish between the Person of the Church and the Personnel of the Church. The Church as Person was guaranteed never to teach error, but there was no guarantee that its members would not fall into error and sin. The Church is always reforming itself, and was in the process of doing so when Luther appeared on the scene. But the Catholic reform was not to change the heart of its teachings so much as to change the hearts of its followers.
The Catholic Church is still and always engaged in that mission.
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dessy
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Andy,
THIRD :Why is there more focus on Marys viginity and if she had givie more childern?
ANS :This God doing, God said it Himsefl where He will come from their will be no spot of stain.mary has be in the mind of God right from the begining GENESIS 3:15 or so(i will put enemity between u and the woman between her seed and urs…)also in ISAIAH,God made a statement "the gate i pass through will remain shut no one will ever pass through it "mary is the gate which christ pass through and no man will ever pass through so the case of having other childern stand difficult.
FOURTH :ST. Francis or teresa had married or had many childern they would has been heard of if they leave Holy lives and did extraordinary thingsjust as they have done as saints.
to support answer 2 & 4 what about St. Monica she was married lead a good life & prayerful one in deed converting St.Augustine (my patron saint) adn if much time was giving to the husband she would have converted him too :tiphat: .dessy
THIRD :Why is there more focus on Marys viginity and if she had givie more childern?
ANS :This God doing, God said it Himsefl where He will come from their will be no spot of stain.mary has be in the mind of God right from the begining GENESIS 3:15 or so(i will put enemity between u and the woman between her seed and urs…)also in ISAIAH,God made a statement "the gate i pass through will remain shut no one will ever pass through it "mary is the gate which christ pass through and no man will ever pass through so the case of having other childern stand difficult.
FOURTH :ST. Francis or teresa had married or had many childern they would has been heard of if they leave Holy lives and did extraordinary thingsjust as they have done as saints.
to support answer 2 & 4 what about St. Monica she was married lead a good life & prayerful one in deed converting St.Augustine (my patron saint) adn if much time was giving to the husband she would have converted him too :tiphat: .dessy
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Andyman1517
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Interesting Carl. I’ve always thought of catholics as twisting the Bible to support their ideas. Intriguing comment.
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In another part of the site one can read an essay entitled, “Celibacy and the Priesthood”. It gives Biblical references (many) for the Priesthood to be celibate.
catholic.com/library/Celibacy_and_the_Priesthood.asp
catholic.com/library/Celibacy_and_the_Priesthood.asp
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