Cell Phone Emergency type Alerts at Mass

[exnihilo]

You can live in my world if you just research abuse of amber alerts.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

Isn’t it funny how so many will not act as a disciple of Jesus Christ… who went to the blind and raised a corpse to give it life. Instantly disregarded for illness, the sick or to be sick is a designation for loss. Scrutiny, discrimination, all, take your pick. This is why policy makers will never amount to Washington or Lincoln, because they are worthless. None who understand the law, represent the weak, or respect those who died for the liberty of all will ever think or act against the sick. To raise the sick from illness is to give them love, to do the opposite is to present the sick with death and who kills the sick?

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Isn’t it funny how so many will not act as a disciple of Jesus Christ… who went to the blind and raised a corpse to give it life. Instantly disregarded for illness, the sick or to be sick is a designation for loss. Scrutiny, discrimination, all, take your pick. This is why policy makers will never amount to Washington or Lincoln, because they are worthless. None who understand the law, represent the weak, or respect those who died for the liberty of all will ever think or act against the sick. To raise the sick from illness is to give them love, to do the opposite is to present the sick with death and who kills the sick?

Instantly degraded?

It takes something pretty serious and severe to be dishonorably discharged.

I’m pretty sure those who represented the laws to keep a demented man away from a child he ended up cruelly torturing were on the right. Parenthood is a gift, not a supreme right.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

It was Hitler that killed the disabled. Add World War 2 troops that have their lives to stop it from happening here. There are things called values and nobody said anything about dishonorable discharges. A mind which is is ill can kill the body without love. Any person who conceived without flaw and developed illness in the mind should not be refused the ability to see their kin. Watch “the notebook” for an example of decency.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

It was Hitler that killed the disabled. Add World War 2 troops that have their lives to stop it from happening here. There are things called values and nobody said anything about dishonorable discharges. A mind which is is ill can kill the body without love. Any person who conceived without flaw and developed illness in the mind should not be refused the ability to see their kin. Watch “the notebook” for an example of decency.

He had supervised visitation because even experienced military officers saw him as dangerous and unstable. He kidnapped this child and tortured her for 3 years. The evidence speaks for itself. It is not wrong to keep children out of the hands of the unstable.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

The concept of 1 incident taking the liberty away from Americans in a form of mass punishment is not law, it is the policy of hell.

 

[boclucky14]

I’m following this conversation, and you have my rather confused on what you are talking about @CatholicSpirit. We’re talking about the WEA system, and that got into the AMBER alert system and how it can be abused by families with custodial issues; having said that, we are also pointing out cases where those who have legal custody (or use to have legal custody) may abduct and harm children, and the AMBER alert system assists in solving these cases and protecting these abducted children.

There are things called values and nobody said anything about dishonorable discharges.

Uhh, yes. This conversation went from:
WEA during mass
→ AMBER alerts not doing good because they’re vastly used for family (custodial) issues
→ An example, provided by @Xanthippe_Voorhees, of a family issue where the child was kidnapped by his father who was dishonorably discharged:

Growing up, I knew a girl (older than me) whose father and mother split after he came back from war. He was dishonorably discharged. . . Yet, he managed to kidnap his daughter. She was missing for 3 years.

→ Then you replied:

Instantly disregarded for illness, the sick or to be sick is a designation for loss.

And then you started talking about Hitler. We’re not Hitler to be concerned about children and protecting them from those who would harm them, even if that includes their parents. Parents shouldn’t be permitted to harm their children, any more than one is permitted from harming friends or coworkers, or strangers from harming other strangers.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

I am saying that if boundaries between church and state do not remain, we shall have more frivolous incidents leading to more frivolous engagements and more losses of liberties without a place to stand our ground.

And, just because when 10 things are done, 9 of which are good and 1 of which is grotesque, it does not remedy the situation to harp on the grotesque. That is not democracy or republic thinking, not Christian either.

 

[boclucky14]

I am saying that if boundaries between church and state do not remain, we shall have more frivolous incidents leading to more frivolous engagements and more losses of liberties without a place to stand our ground.

Fair enough. We’ve seen the Obama administration attempt to remove Church Authority. We’ve definitely seen it in other countries (e.g. USSR).

Having said that, how does the AMBER alert system or the WEA system have anything to do with boundaries between church and state? How do AMBER alert or WEA systems cause a loss of liberties?

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I am saying that if boundaries between church and state do not remain, we shall have more frivolous incidents leading to more frivolous engagements and more losses of liberties without a place to stand our ground.

So the government shouldn’t send out life-saving alerts during the 10am Mass at St. Pats?

When it comes to Amber Alerts the disentigration of the family has caused contentious and dangerous situations for children.

When it comes to severe weather alerts we forget that people died. We also have used technology to build where we never shoud.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

Phone leads to camera phones and GPS. Holder is celebrant, evolves to being between celebrant and employee of the state. Church becomes venue, see it yet? Then, Church supports a divorce reconciliation, father or mother has child, accuser who is non believer accuses celebrant… Church on fire, Vatican changes view on reconciliation of divorce based on Evil press release condemning Catholic families which hits Satans target beautifully: Catholics seeking to reconcile divorces for their children

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I am saying that if boundaries between church and state do not remain, we shall have more frivolous incidents leading to more frivolous engagements and more losses of liberties without a place to stand our ground.

And, just because when 10 things are done, 9 of which are good and 1 of which is grotesque, it does not remedy the situation to harp on the grotesque. That is not democracy or republic thinking, not Christian either.

Are you talking about your other thread where you want to run around the church grounds willy-nilly during the middle of the night but cannot because it is known grounds for homeless and substance abusers try to hang out?

 

[CatholicSpirit]

You are converting to Islam quite nicely by stereotyping Catholics on Catholic grounds at night as infidels.

 

[boclucky14]

Phone leads to camera phones and GPS. Holder is celebrant, evolves to being between celebrant and employee of the state.

I’m trying to be explicitly clear with what I’m reading here. Your saying “holder is celebrant”. You mean the priest is holding a phone with a camera and GPS system?

This means that, because the celebrant (aka priest) has a phone, he becomes an employee of the state? How?

Then, Church supports a divorce reconciliation, father or mother has child, accuser who is non believer accuses celebrant…

A non-Catholic accuser accuses the priest of what?

Church on fire, Vatican changes view on reconciliation of divorce based on Evil press release condemning Catholic families which hits Satans target beautifully: Catholics seeking to reconcile divorces for their children

What press release? A press release blaming the Church for a marriage being reconciled? How is that a problem?

 

[SMHW]

It still is not clear what you wish to see happen that is relative to my thread.

Should we all lobby for the end of amber alerts? Should we just leave our cell phones at home or in the car? Should priests not carry cell phones?

 

[CatholicSpirit]

Person celebrating mass is single parent, press release is of a frivolous incident made up by the “better half” taking fire at the Church through hitting the parent inside with nonsense

Press release is the bias report of an incident and arrest (frivolous) to maintain state integrity

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

You are converting to Islam quite nicely by stereotyping Catholics on Catholic grounds at night as infidels.

I’m converting to Islam because I am concerned about the safety of church grounds? Or because I think that a “zero trespassers” policy is better than allowing people to OD on church grounds unsupervised and unhelped?

 

[CatholicSpirit]

If we follow your lead we shall soon have gatekeepers and soon after, security officers, perhaps we should know a house divided against itself will not stand? - Jesus Christ + Abraham Lincoln

 

[boclucky14]

Person celebrating mass is single parent

Person celebrating mass is a priest. Not a single parent. Unless you are referring to a non-Latin rite (e.g. Byzantine rite) or Protestant churches? (and in a non-Latin Catholic rite, a “divorced” married priest with custodial issues probably wouldn’t be assigned a parish to say mass at until the issue is resolved; having said that, it’s such a peculiar problem, I don’t think it’s ever happened before; at least, not in the US)

press release is of a frivolous incident made up by the “better half” taking fire at the Church through hitting the parent inside with nonsense

This would have nothing to do with the Church, but with custodial rights that are done in legal court. Yes, priests can offer spiritual advice and counsel to the family, but as far as a divorced couple having custodial issues, this should all be managed by legal authorities.

Press release is the bias report of an incident and arrest (frivolous) to maintain state integrity

There are always biased reports against the Church. The Church, by the power the the Holy Spirit, will outlast such reports.

 

[CatholicSpirit]

We aren’t on the same sheet of music right now, there are aspects of what actually occurs during an incident you may be unfamiliar with.