Census worker won't take no for answer

[irishpatrick]

The first few requests were tolerable. A Census Bureau worker would knock on John and Beverly Scott’s door and ask them to fill out an American Community Survey. The McKinley Park couple would politely decline.

But as the days passed, the visits became more frequent and the requests more urgent.

Some evenings, the doorbell would ring at dinnertime, then again at 10 p.m.

“I’m generally a nice guy. I didn’t want to shut the door in her face,” John Scott said. “I said, ‘I’m not going to answer your questions.’ She kept saying, ‘You’ve got to, you’ve got to.’ I shut the door, and she kept ringing the doorbell and tapping on the window.”

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[wild_thing]

Just a TAD intrusive…

By the way, is it pathetic that I snorted with laughter when JHareckCarnelian posted the bit about people putting "jedi’ under the religious affiliation question? Maybe because I have three boys all running around with clone trooper costumes on that I find that hilarious…

 

[The_Old_Medic]

They do not put your name, or even your address on the forms. The responses are coded, and are totally and completely anonymous.

The census has asked a lot of "intrusive’ questions for many years. They used to ask them of everyone (take a look at the 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930 censuses for examples).

I personally can not understand why anyone would not be willing to fill out those forms.But, some people are just paranoid.

 

[JonNC]

The first few requests were tolerable. A Census Bureau worker would knock on John and Beverly Scott’s door and ask them to fill out an American Community Survey. The McKinley Park couple would politely decline.

But as the days passed, the visits became more frequent and the requests more urgent.

Some evenings, the doorbell would ring at dinnertime, then again at 10 p.m.

“I’m generally a nice guy. I didn’t want to shut the door in her face,” John Scott said. “I said, ‘I’m not going to answer your questions.’ She kept saying, ‘You’ve got to, you’ve got to.’ I shut the door, and she kept ringing the doorbell and tapping on the window.”

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“Realistically, we’re not interested in prosecution,” he said. "We’re interested in obtaining information."

That’s the most dangerous part. Ask the interred Japanese Americans during WW II.

Article 1, Section2 of the US Constitution

The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

Enumeration means a count, and it is done only every ten years. Race, income, number of bedrooms, the time one goes to work, etc., have nothing to do with a count of the people living in America.
There is no constitutional basis for the “American Community Survey”, and certainly none for it to be coerced.

Jon

 

[estesbob]

They do not put your name, or even your address on the forms. The responses are coded, and are totally and completely anonymous.

The census has asked a lot of "intrusive’ questions for many years. They used to ask them of everyone (take a look at the 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930 censuses for examples).

I personally can not understand why anyone would not be willing to fill out those forms.But, some people are just paranoid.

The problem is that this was not the normal census form… This is a follow-up census that is carried out annually on a sample of citizens in the 10 years between censuses. The questionnaire is a lot more detailed and much much more intrusive. A couple times a year I have elderly clients receive these forms and freak out.

 

[Aleksa]

Really? Why the paranoia? I don’t get it.

 

[ANNE_2]

These bullying tactics in the USA sound like the Gestapo during WWII.

There is no such thing as a completely secure information system. Hackers have proven this.

The US Government wants to justify spending more of our tax dollars on many things with this extra survey. Someone needs to tell the Feds to quit spending money. And stop hiring people for foolish things. We are over $14 Trillion dollars in debt.

Never open your door to strangers. You can talk through the door if you wish.

The US Constitution provides only that - - the census is every 10 years, and that it is an enumeration (counting of people). The purpose has to do with the alloted numbers in the House of Representatives from each State (Article 1, Section 2.)
On the 10 year census, list the names of those in your household, ages, your address, and those who are US citizens.

• Any other requirements purpetrated on individuals to pry into their personal business is unconstitutuional.

The US Dept of Education does a lousy job of insisting students are taught their rights under the Constitution.

Article IV - Bill of Rights - states people have the right to be be secure in their persons, houses, and paper - unless there is a search warrent for probable cause.

" I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. " - James Madison (principal author of the Constitution.

 

[JonNC]

Really? Why the paranoia? I don’t get it.

Not paranoia. It is a fact that there has been, and continues to be, abuse of census information by the central government. The notion that the census can and does keep information private, and out of the hands of other agencies of the executive branch of government is just naive.

But finally, even if they were not, there is no consitutional basis for asking for this information (Article 1, section 2), much less coercing people to give it. For those Americans who wish to give it, I have no issue with that choice, except the unwitting assistance of the government usurping power not granted to it. My issue is with the government usurpation of powers not granted.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

The US Dept of Education does a lousy job of insisting students are taught their rights under the Constitution.

Oh, it is much worse than this. Under coercion, the DOE requires schools to collect information regarding the race/ethnicity of students. in other words, racial profiling is alive adn well in our public schools, and required by the central government.

Jon

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Really? Why the paranoia? I don’t get it.

Why do people assume paranoia when someone does not wish to provide private information?

Would you give me your Social Security Number and address to where you live and work?

If not, why the paranoia?

Do you see how absurd that assumption is?

 

[mary_bobo]

They do not put your name, or even your address on the forms. The responses are coded, and are totally and completely anonymous.

The census has asked a lot of "intrusive’ questions for many years. They used to ask them of everyone (take a look at the 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930 censuses for examples).

I personally can not understand why anyone would not be willing to fill out those forms.But, some people are just paranoid.

Except for counting heads, one’s personal business is none of the federal government’s. It’s not paranoid. Why in the world would you want to tell them all your business?

 

[He_Man]

They do not put your name, or even your address on the forms. The responses are coded, and are totally and completely anonymous.

The census has asked a lot of "intrusive’ questions for many years. They used to ask them of everyone (take a look at the 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930 censuses for examples).

I personally can not understand why anyone would not be willing to fill out those forms.But, some people are just paranoid.

And some census workers are intrusive fools. So?

 

[JaredM]

My father worked as a census worker a year ago. He sure as hell loved to bug people.

 

[wild_thing]

I personally don’t mind answering census forms, but the census worker in the article was over the top. Her method of getting information was what I found intrusive. I would have felt the same way as the couple did.

Jharek- thanks for the Jedi article. That was hilarious.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Not paranoia. It is a fact that there has been, and continues to be, abuse of census information by the central government. The notion that the census can and does keep information private, and out of the hands of other agencies of the executive branch of government is just naive.

But finally, even if they were not, there is no consitutional basis for asking for this information (Article 1, section 2), much less coercing people to give it. For those Americans who wish to give it, I have no issue with that choice, except the unwitting assistance of the government usurping power not granted to it. My issue is with the government usurpation of powers not granted.

Jon

Trusting the government is foolish. That is why the Founders devised the brilliant system of checks and balances that were codified into our Constitution. As it was originally written, it keeps the powers granted to the federal government within bounds. As it stands now, citizens DARE NOT trust their federal and state governments.

Much of what our supposed representatives are doing in DC is actually tyranny. And that is NOT paranoia. Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and then compare those simple and clear documents with what passes for Constitutional government now days.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Couldn’t being a Jedi also count as an occupation? I think this is really funny, the British sense of humor comes out in the strangest places!

LOL.

 

[estesbob]

I personally don’t mind answering census forms, but the census worker in the article was over the top. Her method of getting information was what I found intrusive. I would have felt the same way as the couple did.

Jharek- thanks for the Jedi article. That was hilarious.

Again this was not the census form that you and all the rest of us Americans answered a year ago. This is an ongoing supplementary census that is much more intrusive and asked much more detailed questions.

 

[edowitz1]

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