Certain Healing Masses may become a thing of the past

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At least if the lawyers and the insurance companies have anything to say about it. $315,000 for injury suffered when “slain in the Spirit.”

lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770510007

I myself have witnessed in such services people who fell, not backwards into the arms of the “catchers”, but sideways onto other people already on the ground. Right then and there I thought “these are lawsuits waiting to happen.”
 
At least if the lawyers and the insurance companies have anything to say about it. $315,000 for injury suffered when “slain in the Spirit.”

lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770510007

I myself have witnessed in such services people who fell, not backwards into the arms of the “catchers”, but sideways onto other people already on the ground. Right then and there I thought “these are lawsuits waiting to happen.”
Your article is about a protestant Church. This sort of thing should not be occurring within the context of a Mass.
 
Your article is about a protestant Church. This sort of thing should not be occurring within the context of a Mass.
But it sometimes does. I have seen it. And if not in a Mass, then right after a Mass, and still on church property (which is the real issue here).

naplesnews.com/photos/2006/may/08/10969/

The point is, sponsoring any kind of activity where people (and in particular, older and infirm people) are routinely collapsing on one’s property is very problematic from a liability standpoint.
 
But it sometimes does. I have seen it. And if not in a Mass, then right after a Mass, and still on church property (which is the real issue here).

naplesnews.com/photos/2006/may/08/10969/

The point is, sponsoring any kind of activity where people (and in particular, older and infirm people) are routinely collapsing on one’s property is very problematic from a liability standpoint.

Very, very good pt.
 
A few weeks ago, my Life Teen group had a Life in the Spirit retreat, and we prayed over the teens for baptism in the Holy Spirit. Most of them rested in the Holy Spirit, mostly at the time of the prayer, but one boy was kneeling in front of the Blessed Sacrament and 15-20 min later, he fell as hard as he could have right on his face.
There was not a mark on the boy.
It seems to me that God protects this sort of thing (although it is very prudent to have catchers, which we did, at the prayer stations).
 
I think this is a valid concern from a liability standpoint. To remain charitable, I will refrain from any commentary on the Charasmatic movement, except to say its not for me. If and when the Church forces me to to be in a Charasmatic Mass with no other options I will leave. That very day. Pronto.
 
I think this is a valid concern from a liability standpoint. To remain charitable, I will refrain from any commentary on the Charasmatic movement, except to say its not for me. If and when the Church forces me to to be in a Charasmatic Mass with no other options I will leave. That very day. Pronto.
Should never happen as there is no such thing as a Charismatic Mass.

There is only the Mass.

Any additions to the Mass are abuses no matter if one likes the abuse or not.
 
I think this is a valid concern from a liability standpoint. To remain charitable, I will refrain from any commentary on the Charasmatic movement, except to say its not for me. If and when the Church forces me to to be in a Charasmatic Mass with no other options I will leave. That very day. Pronto.
Yeah! That makes two of us. I’d just as well be a holy roller.:confused:
 
This is so easily solved for those who have this preference.

Gym mats. Padding on the floor. Something soft on which to land on all sides.
 
This is so easily solved for those who have this preference.

Gym mats. Padding on the floor. Something soft on which to land on all sides.
But, is padding biblical? There is no mention of catchers or padding in the scriptures! Outrageous extrabiblical suggestion. 😛

J/k

No offense meant to anyone who goes to these things.

Byz Cath, I agree but they do exist and like it or not they dont look like they are going away either. Some churches “rent out” their space for this type of thing. People want it.
 
This is so easily solved for those who have this preference.

Gym mats. Padding on the floor. Something soft on which to land on all sides.
That wouldn’t stop people from falling on top of each other, something I have personally witnessed. And I wonder if the diocesean insurance carrier would really be OK with liturgies that require gymnastic safety padding (something *else *for people to trip on, BTW).
 
A few weeks ago, my Life Teen group had a Life in the Spirit retreat, and we prayed over the teens for baptism in the Holy Spirit. Most of them rested in the Holy Spirit, mostly at the time of the prayer, but one boy was kneeling in front of the Blessed Sacrament and 15-20 min later, he fell as hard as he could have right on his face.
There was not a mark on the boy.
It seems to me that God protects this sort of thing (although it is very prudent to have catchers, which we did, at the prayer stations).
This sort of thing should not be happening in a Catholic Church at all. Their is no histroy of it in the no Church, ever. The early Christians were not “slain in the Spirit” ever. It never happened to any of the saints. It is simply not part of our Catholic faith. The only time saints had any kind of mystical experience it was a SOBER innebriation, nothing like the almost cultic and overly emotional services of Charismatics. Furthermore, the saints only achieved a mystical experience when they achieved a level of incredible sanctity; something most of us, unfortunatley, will never reach. There was none of this falling on the ground and crying nonsense.
The idea of being “slain in the spirit” actually did not come from the Catholic Church. Rather it finds its roots in the Shakers of the 1800s and the Pentacostal movement of the Early 1900s. Both are sources that cannot be attributed to God. In fact, the Pentacostals of the early 1900s where not even Christians. Because of their rejection of the Trinity and acceptance of Modalism (the idea that the Father, the Son, and athe Holy Spirit are all the same person), they did not baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit as Christ commanded. Rather, the Pentacostal baptism of this movement was in the name of “Jesus only”. By ignoring the proper form of baptism their baptisms were rendered null and void, deprived of grace. For this reason they are not born again Christians, but still living in a state of Original Sin. Thus, they are not even Christians.
We should not be endorsing cultic practices that come from non-Christian sources.
A note on baptism in the Holy Spirit. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not a separate rite in the Church because we already have two sacraments that fullfill this. The first is baptism. In baptism we are born again of “water and the Holy Spirit” (John) and thus recieve the Holy Spirit into our souls. In fact we are indewlt by the Holy Trinity. For this reason the Gospels place Christian baptism and pre-Christian baptism in opposition to one another. As St. John the Baptist states, “I Baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and Fire.” The second sacrament that qualifies as Baptism in the Holy Spirit is the Sacrament of Confirmation or chrismation. In the Acts of the Apostles whenever any of the Apostles laid hands on a person that person would recieve the fullness of the Gift of the Holy Spirit. Today, when a Bishop annoints a believer with holy Chrism, laying hands on him he says, “Recieve the Gift of the Holy Spirit”, the believer recieves the fullness of all the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. The is called Confirmation.
Since the Catholic Church already has two sacraments through wich the Christian recieves the Holy Spirt and all of His gifts and the scriptures refer to these Sacraments as Baptism in the Holy Spirit, why do Charismatics feel it necessary to establish a second rite in the Church also called Baptism in the Holy Spirit? Are the sacraments not good enough?
On a personal note: I grew up in the Charismatic movement, and it was through this movement that I fisrt learned about the love of Jesus Christ. Thank God for that. But I also learned that this movement is dangerous. It draws people into an emotional faith, rather than a solid relationship with Jesus Christ that can stand the test of time. When the emtions are gone, what have we left? In the Charismatic movement, the answer is nothing. As a Traditional Catholic, we still have the objective gift of faith infused in our souls at baptism and the grace of the Holy Spirit whether we feel it or not.
 
I think this is a valid concern from a liability standpoint. To remain charitable, I will refrain from any commentary on the Charasmatic movement, except to say its not for me. If and when the Church forces me to to be in a Charasmatic Mass with no other options I will leave. That very day. Pronto.
I wouldn’t leave but I certainly would be petitoning my Bishop and the Pope for change every single day. They would find me quite annoying.😉
 
I have been to one of these “Healing” masses and the whole thing of the healing was after the mass. It was a very enlightening experience for me as I was pregnant at the age of 38 and due to deliver within 5 months and wanted to do everything humanly and spiritually possible for the health of my unborn baby. I felt my child move in my womb once I was annointed by the cross. I too was pessimistic about this whole “healing” mass until I attended it myself. And I did fall backwards but caught myself for fear of falling and being pregnant. I did have someone behind me to catch me if I need it.
 
Can anyone please point out what the point of falling is? Good grief!
 
I have been to one of these “Healing” masses and the whole thing of the healing was after the mass. It was a very enlightening experience for me as I was pregnant at the age of 38 and due to deliver within 5 months and wanted to do everything humanly and spiritually possible for the health of my unborn baby. I felt my child move in my womb once I was annointed by the cross. I too was pessimistic about this whole “healing” mass until I attended it myself. And I did fall backwards but caught myself for fear of falling and being pregnant. I did have someone behind me to catch me if I need it.
My point in starting this thread was not to offer an opinion on the theology of being slain by (resting in) the spirit, but to point out that the practice is ripe for lawsuits, and the last thing parishes and dioceses need is more lawsuits. If you were a bishop or diocese insurance provider, would you want to see these things happening in your churches, simply based on a liability standpoint?

http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/medjugorje/phpU9YGSO

http://www.fathersglory.com/images/h_slain_spirit.jpg

http://purgatorio1.com/wp-content/pics/slain1.jpg
 
Can anyone please point out what the point of falling is? Good grief!
I am a cradel Catholic and when I came back I realized how awful the healing service in the protestant churches (many) I attended were and dangerous. I didn’t at the time I though I was in a euforic state, they think they are in the spirit, I had a friend that broke her neck and I would just attend a different RCC if mine started having healing service. She did not sue.
The healing service puts you in a trance like state so best to keep your eyes opened,it is usually done like a minister repeating the same thing over a microphone like on th eBenny Hin show, it is similar to hypmotizing, they somtimes speak in tongues which leads to more confusion and there are suppose to be someone there to catch you but you know what you can just as well be healed sitting down. The minister thinks if you don’t fall down then you are not yielded to the spirit.My question is what spirit is it, is it a false spirit or the Holy Spirit, just like there is the Holy Kiss pure with no shame or (the cold kiss of your mother- in -law)😃

Dessert

Help me to conquer anger with gentleness, greed by generosity, apathy by fervor, help me to forget about myself, and reach out to others. Pope Clement XI
 
Can anyone please point out what the point of falling is? Good grief!
I assume you are referring to being slain in the spirit. The Priest or Pastor or some other worthy person lays hands upon the person requesting the Holy Spirit, usually on their head, As the power of the Holy Spirit flows from his hand to the body of the receiving person, he. the receiver, overcome with the power and filled with the Holy Spirit loses control and falls. It is a very well choreographed event complete with “catchers” since usually, everyone involved fully expects that they will indeed be overcome.🙂

In fact, it is a relatively rare thing when one does not fall or at least be staggered during the ceremony. However when that rare event happens the receiver is quite often told that he is not trying hard enough and that he needs to pray more and more actively seek the special charism being bestowed.
 
I have been to one of these “Healing” masses and the whole thing of the healing was after the mass. It was a very enlightening experience for me as I was pregnant at the age of 38 and due to deliver within 5 months and wanted to do everything humanly and spiritually possible for the health of my unborn baby. I felt my child move in my womb once I was annointed by the cross. I too was pessimistic about this whole “healing” mass until I attended it myself. And I did fall backwards but caught myself for fear of falling and being pregnant. I did have someone behind me to catch me if I need it.

People have been doing this for centuries–without the interference of the Charismatic movement. In time of need—Our Holy Mother and/or the Saints have been helping and interceeding for us thru out our history. The Charismatics pale in comparision and have nothing as to the direct intercession of our Lady and the Saints.
 
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