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po18guy
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Is there a comment about the video?
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PJD1987
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CaptFun
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As usual Michael Voris makes me think. Agreeing with him totally would be a boring post so I’ll address the part I might have a different take on.
God MIGHT continue to bless the US anyway … as there are people that serve and please him. Call it the Sodom principle. Had enough people been just He would have spared the city.
As he spared Nineveh in the time of Jonah … for a while … due to their repentance.
It is true that 51% of the voters twice choose a defender of abortion on demand (perhaps the most radical one in public life given his stances). And that would seem to indicate America has turned from God. But that issue is probably not the reason the entire 51% voted for him.
If we went to the times when America was “better” - there was still a lot of crime, injustice and turning from God. But this is not to negate everything Voris said (and said it quite plainly as is his wont).
We’re to be “salt of the earth” to keep things from becoming rotten. Or more rotten. Or on the positive side to give life more savor with the good news of the Gospel - by living it and loving our neighbors.
His Vortex program is reliably interesting, addresses the most knotty topics with courage,
generally gives one a bit of history, a bit of theology, no-nonsense warnings and … put eloquently.
How shall we live from day to day in this time of … challenges?
Guided by the Holy Spirit. Michael Voris may be a different part of the body than I …
but I am glad of his ministry thus far. The greatest fruit of it is an unmistakable call to holiness. That call is met by groans sometimes by all of us.
We know we can’t “Lukewarm” our way to heaven … but its such a comfortable temperature to languish in.
Maybe the OP should add a poll or something.
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mymamamary
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Im subscribed to His feeds. What he says is, well, the truth. Even my Parish Priest, in one of the books he wrote mentions it. After 9/11, people were basically demanding “GOD Bless America” with the bumper stickers and slogans, yet they forget that there are a lot of innoncent children being killed everyday via domestic terrorism. I love America and it is such a shame to see Her in the state She is. Of course, Canada isn’t better either. 
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Brony4life
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I’m only 20 years old, so let me tell you man, I would’ve liked to have seen her in her glory days, when everyone respected each other and served God openly. Even when I was a very young child, it was much better in this country than it is today. Maybe I’ll move to Canada; at least it’s quiet and scenic
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LightBound
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Sorry, I don’t know what historical fiction you’ve been reading, but there never was a time when everyone respected each other. Are you referring to the 1950’s or before? Ask any racial minority (or a good portion of the women back then) if they felt respected or treated as though they were of equal intelligence and worth. Those who did not live in that era have a nostalgic, “Leave it to Beaver” image of what life was like back then. Let me assure you, it wasn’t all Cleaver family-like for the majority of the country. Now, if you would say you’d like to see America in her glory days as Hollywood presented her, I can understand that. It was a pretty picture of Andy Griffith or It’s a Wonderful Life…but that’s not how it really was.
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pollycarp
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It was better as I recall. Not Andy Griffin exactly, but life was slower and better. Many women didn’t work so kids had moms at home. Doors were opened for women, men pumped our gas and checked our oil and carried things for us. We weren’t wealthy, but we knew our neighbors and we trusted each other. Kids walked to school safely. We respected our teachers-nuns with habits. There was no telemarketing. No smutty stuff on TV. I could go on.
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LightBound
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I could go on too…about the part you probably weren’t aware of…the condescending attitude towards women (“oh honey, it’s all in your head” or “you don’t need an education, all you need to know is how to cook”) and the way ethnic minorities were treated (the back of the bus or separate restroom facilities, drinking fountains, or lunch counters…). Of course, there were all the good things you mentioned and if that could be in place simultaneously with the advancements of women and minorities we have today, it would be on the way to utopia.
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TimothyH
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I was going to say the same thing. It seems a bit of romance to believe that there was such thing as a time when “everyone respected each other and served God openly” in the USA. The “Glory days of America” is something that was made up to sell books and Chevrolets.
There was slavery in the US until 1864. Children were made to work 16 hours/day in sweat shops until the labor laws of the 20’s and 30’s. John Wayne movies don’t change the fact that mother’s had to work in bomb factories and son’s kissed their mother’s goodbye to go die on an island in the Pacific ocean during the 1940’s.
This is a great country, probably the best there is or ever was, but I’m 49 and think that Brony is a bit romantic for the past. In the beginning of our country, Catholics couldn’t even vote.
Move to Canada and one of the first things you will realize that it is the same cruddy commute to work and the same cruddy job and the bills come in the mailbox just the same as they do in America. The only thing better is that they tell you what gas prices will be tomorrow so you can decide if you want to fill up today. The snow in Toronto gets black just as fast as it does in New York City.
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october_baby
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I think LIGHTBOUND and TIMOTHY H are cynical and jaded. I’m not saying that our country
does not have problems (it does, and ALL countries have problems.) But I grew up in the 80’s
and i’m seeing things that would have been unthinkable back then. W ether God blesses a
country or not is up to the theologians to decide. BUT if we are blessed, I can see God holding his blessings from us, when the majority of Americans support ANY KIND of
abortions.
does not have problems (it does, and ALL countries have problems.) But I grew up in the 80’s
and i’m seeing things that would have been unthinkable back then. W ether God blesses a
country or not is up to the theologians to decide. BUT if we are blessed, I can see God holding his blessings from us, when the majority of Americans support ANY KIND of
abortions.
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LightBound
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Not cynical and jaded, my young one, just more knowledgeable about what life was really like in the past century. Remember, if we experienced life back then, we’ve lived through your decades, too. What was considered racist or sexist back in the 80’s (and definitely today) was considered normal and commonplace back in the “glory days” of America.I think LIGHTBOUND and TIMOTHY H are cynical and jaded. I’m not saying that our country
does not have problems (it does, and ALL countries have problems.) But I grew up in the 80’s
and i’m seeing things that would have been unthinkable back then. W ether God blesses a
country or not is up to the theologians to decide. BUT if we are blessed, I can see God holding his blessings from us, when the majority of Americans support ANY KIND of
abortions.
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Brony4life
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I am aware of all that you have spoken of, and certainly I don’t think those are good things. However, when I said “glory days” as you seemed to quote me above, I did not so much mean the time period when sexism and/or racism thrived. I meant more of the post-WW11 era, when our economy thrived and the prototypical American family thrived. Racism, with the glaring the exception of the deep south, was what I would call acceptable or close to acceptable (as a whole; that doesn’t mean it’s ever perfect, and it can always - even now- be improved). Sexism was not a HUGE problem (again, not to say it didn’t- or for that matter, doesn’t- exist). I don’t consider a society where the majority of the women stay home and look after their children as a sexist society. If the women don’t have the right to do anything else except “cook” then obviously that’s problematic, but not the former.
In regards to comment the one gentleman or lady (I don’t remember) made about Canada being the same as the U.S., most of which you said is true; I would like to point out a few things, however. 1. I don’t plan on living in Toronto if I do in fact go to Canada. One third of Canada’s population lives there, so I would expect the snow to be black indeed. 2. The similarities you mentioned, while true, are also general qualities of living that come with just about democratic country you live in. I’ve been to many places in Canada that are, as I described, quiet and scenic.
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ringil
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The bombastic Voris, as subtle as a mack truck.
Not the most humble guy out there certainly. He seems to like himself quite a bit.
Not the most humble guy out there certainly. He seems to like himself quite a bit.
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mymamamary
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Whats wrong with Mr. Voris? He may be a little blunt, granted, but that doesn’t mean that He likes himself. I have personally met the man and can conclude, that as “blunt” as he sounds on the vortex, he is just as nice, talkable and approachable outside of the vortex. I like his style. He doesn’t pull punches, just says it like it is. We need more of that fearless and even agressive style of apologetics in this secularistic world…
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LightBound
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Well, he pretty much stated what he felt was wrong with Michael Voris. His approach. You may prefer that kind of bluntness. However, my young one, not everyone cares for that kind of loud, abrasive, and dare I say arrogant, behavior. There are a good many folks who are quite put off by that sort of attitude. Ever hear of an old phrase that you can catch more flies with honey? He could reach a lot more people if he toned it down a few notches! But that’s his business and not everyone has to like it. I don’t and that doesn’t make me any less Catholic than someone who thinks he’s the greatest thing in media.
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ringil
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He would appeal to some. Especially those who like to make use of a similar “style” of communication.
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InLight247
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A serious problem today is people don’t want to hear any truth. They only want to hear what they want to hear. Any words point to the fact will easily be rejected as “blunt” regardless the truth those words may contain.
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AlanFromWichita
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The guy’s a jerk. He’ll tell us what’s what, he will. 
kpeople:
First of all, what significance do the lyrics to a song have, to anything, except for him to rant about it? Because a liberal won the white house for two terms, God’s going to turn away from us, and it’ll be all our fault?
Please.
I mean think about it. This guy is basically saying God will damn America, which is precisely what Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright used to rant about. So I see Voris and Wright are technically in agreement.
Voris : Wright :: Potayto : Potahto.
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kpeople:First of all, what significance do the lyrics to a song have, to anything, except for him to rant about it? Because a liberal won the white house for two terms, God’s going to turn away from us, and it’ll be all our fault?
Please.
I mean think about it. This guy is basically saying God will damn America, which is precisely what Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright used to rant about. So I see Voris and Wright are technically in agreement.
Voris : Wright :: Potayto : Potahto.
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CaptFun
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Yes, the family. Much less divorce. WAY fewer abortions. And, as has been mentioned by your critic … even the media portrayed things in a nicer way. Some would call that phony and ignoring social injustices of the time - some would call it idealistic.
I don’t get mad at seeing “Leave it to Beaver” or “Andy of Mayberry”. They showed normal people in middle class towns living life. Functioning families.
I liked the Mary Tyler Moore Show in its day. Though Laura Petrie had gone from a Mom to a “highly paid career woman on her own” – with a new (but somehow never quite acceptable hunk to date) every other week.
It still was G-rated and looked at life from a perspective that was valuable. Some people WERE single professional women. And if you weren’t one, maybe your friend or a family member was.
I saw some pretty positive changes being made in the 50s/early 60s when I grew up regarding racism. Some surburban neighbors of ours (in Illinois) used the N-word every once in a while and brought up the subject of race. Even when they weren’t “mad” at black people they’d mention them in a negative way. But THEN - they loved Ernie Banks. And then Billy Williams. (They were Cub fans). And “Amos n Andy” on TV.
This mystery of the other race was being broken down by seeing people that – they liked.
Then too, maybe I had it wrong about them too. The polite word for “black” then (calling someone “black” was impolite) was “Negro” pronounced with a long E … not as in Spanish, where negro is literally “black”.
As for sexism … that has always gone both ways. As a society America drafted boys into the army. And while my Dad was tramping around Europe, sleeping in foxholes and getting shot at … my Mom was home, jobs were plentiful (especially with all the guys gone), and men treated them like queens or were kicked to the curb. < Elsewhere I’m sure there were problems of sexism women had to deal with - but class war rhetoric of today would have it that sexism was all one way in our society back then.
Abortions were around (my Dad told me) even in the 30’s. Illegal but winked at with police payoffs or something. So … some of what your rather harsh (I thought) critics had to
say is true also I guess Brony4life.
I agreed with most of what Voris said - despite my critique of one aspect. And sentimentally … I agreed with your assessment that being open about one’s faith in God publicly was more acceptable (societally) in the past. Wear a crucifix out at work today and you may be whispered about as a bigot. Never would have happened in the '50s.
Even though there WERE some religious phonies back then who might wear a cross
and hate or be unfair to others - even back then. And probably today.
I’m glad Michael Voris didn’t invoke the famous Reverend Wright quote at the end. :yup:
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