Certain video featuring Michael Voris

[PRmerger]

I generally like Michael Voris ,…

I don’t have a problem necessarily with Mr. Voris. He is a little too much of a shibboleth-Catholic (in that he has certain criteria by which he judges whether someone is “in” or “out” but it’s criteria of his own making, not anything established by the Church)…

it’s his supporters that often make me do this:

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Not all supporters.

Just some.

Here on the CAFs.

 

[Shamati]

I do not need leaked video. I have personal knowledge of how the targeting was done. I can not be convinced by someone who is obviously on the extreme of this issue.

Catholic theology allows for a just war. That is a billion people across the world. I submit that your degree of pacifism is the rarity in the world, not the American view.

What would the world look like with only pacifists?
To love the creation and all creatures, wether christian, muslim or anything else is something I think we should all stive for as it is synonymous with the love and fear of God.

The wikileaks videos show how american military on purpose targets civilian crowds & how british soldiers beat a 10-12 year old boy with their riflebutts. Atrocities are guaranteed in any war but my personal thoughts and feelings are that nothing can ever excuse or justify the cost of civilian lives.

I believe that it’s largely the conceived arrogance towards the loss of innocent children in the areas that are directly affected by the “war on terror” or any other american intervention that spawns much of the hatred towards America, plus the notion to only follow Internation Law and the UN when it suits the agenda. Both the rise of outright hatred towards America & in the long run the whole of western civilisation and the USA’s inability to in action try to do anything about it is troubling for me. I fear we are on track towards a “War of Civilizations”

“When the power of Love overcomes the Love of Power. Then we’ll have Peace” - Jimi Hendrix

 

[AlanFromWichita]

What would the world look like with only pacifists?

Completely peaceful. If nobody fights, that’s one definition of peace, right?

Problem is, nobody wants to be the first to lay down arms. To do so would require a) trusting someone we don’t trust, and b) failing to keep the upper hand over others once they lay down. One’s about fear for survival, the other about power and control … and fear. So I fear we’re stuck with our killing mentality and equipment forever.

“When the power of Love overcomes the Love of Power. Then we’ll have Peace” - Jimi Hendrix

Nice quote!

Alan

 

[PRmerger]

What would the world look like with only pacifists?

Similar to what the world would look like with only Catholics.

Note: I am not saying that Catholicism = pacifism.

What I am saying is that if everyone lived according to the Christian ethos the world would look peaceful, joyful and full of LOVE.

 

[clem456]

Comparing Michele Voris to satan? Pot/kettle anybody?

You know what happens when we assume…It’s always best not to put words in someone’s mouth.

I am not making a direct comparison between the two. (Actually you did that).
I am merely pointing out that much of the support for this kind of entertainment boils down to “he speaks the truth”. The passages clearly illustrate that knowing and speaking the truth is a one legged stool. One can speak the truth and still do a lot of damage to others.

How many commentators do we have who claim to “speak the truth” or claim “the truth lives here”. You can’t turn the radio or tv on without finding some air bag who “speaks the truth”. They proceed to justify tearing people to pieces in the name of knowing a few things. Big deal.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

You know what happens when we assume…It’s always best not to put words in someone’s mouth.

I am not making a direct comparison between the two. (Actually you did that).
I am merely pointing out that much of the support for this kind of entertainment boils down to “he speaks the truth”. The passages clearly illustrate that knowing and speaking the truth is a one legged stool. One can speak the truth and still do a lot of damage to others.

How many commentators do we have who claim to “speak the truth” or claim “the truth lives here”. You can’t turn the radio or tv on without finding some air bag who “speaks the truth”. They proceed to justify tearing people to pieces in the name of knowing a few things. Big deal.

:clapping:

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I generally like Michael Voris , he tells you what you need to hear, what is wrong with the truth?
I recently watched this video of his on Spiritual warfare, very eye opening
youtube.com/watch?v=B0CwcRJoe6A

I decided to watch this whole video. I was puzzled at first because I thought, “what will a jerk like this have to say about spiritual warfare? What does he know?”

Turns out is wasn’t about spiritual warfare in the sense of how to conduct it, etc. So I wouldn’t have said that was his topic. There were a few things he said that I found annoying and not helpful, but he said some things I liked too. I started kind of liking this guy. Not like I agree with him but I can learn things from him, although I have a few things I’d like to say. I can see him and me, sitting together at a dinner table pleasantly going over a few points we agree upon and differ. I think the guy was classy enough he could pull that off. He comes across to me as having a couple hangups and fears, and I think I saw his point of view I can respect it and let him do that function in the Body while I do mine. The best thing I think I can say about him, is that he is not afraid to think deeply, and enjoy wonderful allegorical comparisons, and I think if I posed hard questions for him, he would take them seriously and address them directly.

So like I said, I didn’t like some of the things he said, but here are a couple I did like:

I loved his description of heaven about 24 minutes, he quoted somebody as “Possessing God as He loves Himself.” that is really pretty awesome, and IMO a pleasant surprise coming from a Church Militant. Then he said some really cool things about a marriage that is so loving that our communications need very few words to communicate. I especially liked him saying those things because it reminds me of my wonderful SD who told me of a mature marriage becoming contemplative.

I also found interesting how he said that actual contact with God is a torture to some souls. Like being rejected, many times over. He said Fulton Sheen said if you imagine a meadow on a summer day, nice breeze, etc. beautiful brook, and you say it’s like heaven. But then you see a fish that somehow got out of the water, and is flopping on the grass desperately trying to survive. So this “heaven” as we call it, for the fish, is hell. And after we die it’s too late to choose to be holy. And I liked his talk about seeing the glory of God, and how some people are afraid – not of God, but of the glory of God.

Then 1:11:00 or so, he talked about prisoners of war, visiting their old cells, and kissing the walls or door of their former cells. Because it was then that they learned what total reliance on God is. i think that was an awesome story.

So there. Since I said bad things about him before (which I am not necessarily retracting yet ) I said some nice things now, so I hope that gets me some points.

Alan

 

[pnewton]

The wikileaks videos show how american military on purpose targets civilian crowds & how british soldiers beat a 10-12 year old boy with their riflebutts.

This reminds me of the commercial, “If it is one the internet, it has to be true. They can’t put anything on the internet that’s not true.” Like I said, my knowledge is first hand. I will not allow leaked, supposed anecdotes change my mind as to the official operational policy of the United States military.

“When the power of Love overcomes the Love of Power. Then we’ll have Peace” - Jimi Hendrix

“and if I can’t have peace, I’ll just take enough pill to make me feel peaceful. What can be the harm?”

Interesting symbol of peace you chose to quote. He was a violent drunk and drug abuser. People like him are why everyone can not be pacifists.

 

[PRmerger]

I decided to watch this whole video. I was puzzled at first because I thought, “what will a jerk like this have to say about spiritual warfare? What does he know?”

Turns out is wasn’t about spiritual warfare in the sense of how to conduct it, etc. So I wouldn’t have said that was his topic. There were a few things he said that I found annoying and not helpful, but he said some things I liked too. I started kind of liking this guy. Not like I agree with him but I can learn things from him, although I have a few things I’d like to say. I can see him and me, sitting together at a dinner table pleasantly going over a few points we agree upon and differ. I think the guy was classy enough he could pull that off. He comes across to me as having a couple hangups and fears, and I think I saw his point of view I can respect it and let him do that function in the Body while I do mine. The best thing I think I can say about him, is that he is not afraid to think deeply, and enjoy wonderful allegorical comparisons, and I think if I posed hard questions for him, he would take them seriously and address them directly.

So like I said, I didn’t like some of the things he said, but here are a couple I did like:

I loved his description of heaven about 24 minutes, he quoted somebody as “Possessing God as He loves Himself.” that is really pretty awesome, and IMO a pleasant surprise coming from a Church Militant. Then he said some really cool things about a marriage that is so loving that our communications need very few words to communicate. I especially liked him saying those things because it reminds me of my wonderful SD who told me of a mature marriage becoming contemplative.

I also found interesting how he said that actual contact with God is a torture to some souls. Like being rejected, many times over. He said Fulton Sheen said if you imagine a meadow on a summer day, nice breeze, etc. beautiful brook, and you say it’s like heaven. But then you see a fish that somehow got out of the water, and is flopping on the grass desperately trying to survive. So this “heaven” as we call it, for the fish, is hell. And after we die it’s too late to choose to be holy. And I liked his talk about seeing the glory of God, and how some people are afraid – not of God, but of the glory of God.

Then 1:11:00 or so, he talked about prisoners of war, visiting their old cells, and kissing the walls or door of their former cells. Because it was then that they learned what total reliance on God is. i think that was an awesome story.

So there. Since I said bad things about him before (which I am not necessarily retracting yet ) I said some nice things now, so I hope that gets me some points.

Alan

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[Shamati]

This reminds me of the commercial, “If it is one the internet, it has to be true. They can’t put anything on the internet that’s not true.” Like I said, my knowledge is first hand. I will not allow leaked, supposed anecdotes change my mind as to the official operational policy of the United States military.

“and if I can’t have peace, I’ll just take enough pill to make me feel peaceful. What can be the harm?”

Interesting symbol of peace you chose to quote. He was a violent drunk and drug abuser. People like him are why everyone can not be pacifists.

Violent drunk? He was a seeker who found nothing bot dogmatic social clubs and materialism…

To support militarism & interventionism is antithetical to the message of Jesus.
Well, if they werent true it wouldnt have been such an embarrassment for the USA. Bradley Manning would not be in Jail & Julian Assange would not be confined to an embassay room… It clear you only watch your news in the US of A as these videos was major world wide news when they surfaced. Anyway, I wont bother you guys. Keep hitting your chests and remind yourself of what a “saintly” nation the USA is (if described by Satan that is) & be surprised why all hate you

 

[pnewton]

Anyway, I wont bother you guys. Keep hitting your chests and remind yourself of what a “saintly” nation the USA is (if described by Satan that is) & be surprised why all hate you

No one has even suggested this. As to your own hatred, that is between you and God.

 

[CaptFun]

This thread is sure an interesting far flung read. Wrath to pacifism.

From Michael Voris wondering if God will still shed his grace on America given her waning willingness to protect the innocent (unborn). To a treatise on pacifism vs. empire building capped off with a quote from Jimi Hendrix!

Funny thing is, Jimi served in the US military and approved of the US defending South Vietnam (against the empire building Communist aggressors). And similarly was against abortion - again in favor of helping those too powerless to defend themselves. He died three years prior to the 1973 Roe v Wade case.

He may have lived a liberal lifestyle per fashion, rock 'n roll, and recreational drugs - but politically Hendrix was rather conservative according to his biographers.

americanthinker.com/blog/2009/03/he_was_a_conservative.html

Those fussing over Hendrix should know he was an avowed conservative. In arguably the most definitive biography of Hendrix, Harry Shapiro and Caesar Glebbeek recount the words of Hendrix as well other musicians on the scene in the late 60s that document conclusively his deeply held conservative beliefs.

Oddly enough, the authors suggest that his self induced psychosis on LSD didn’t even cause him to give up his conservative principles. In a 1967 interview with a Dutch magazine, Hendrix defended America’s involvement in Vietnam commenting that if America bugged out of Vietnam they (the Vietnamese) will be at the mercy of the communists (page 387).

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Jimi in the US Army (was out prior to Vietnam)
He was not a (practicall) pacifist, but spoke of
a just peace and backed the US’s protecting
the South Vietnamese.

Eric Burdon (of “The Animals”):
"Jimi was the first American to talk to me about the war . . . in 1968 in his apartment. As the riot ensued outside the embassy [between Vietnam War protesters and mounted policemen], we smoked a joint and talked.

“So, what do you think of all that’s going on down there?”

"His answer shook me. ‘Listen, man, when the Red Chinese come screaming down over the borders of Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam, and take over the whole of the Far East and Asia, you’ll understand why the U. S. is trying so hard in Vietnam.’

“I couldn’t believe it. In his head, he was still a soldier. He’d just decided to lay down the M-16 and pick up a guitar.” – p 79 of Burdon’s bio “Please Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood”

And though he died before Roe v Wade made it legal throughout the US …

He considered abortion a “problem,” assuming a de facto pro-life stance, saying:

"I have a song on abortion and a song on Vietnam and a song on just about any problem… " – Jimi Hendrix

hollowverse.com/jimi-hendrix/

While they seem poles apart:

– “Liberal icon” Jimi Hendrix’s warning people about the “free love movement” and its dangers (especially venereal disease) and …

– **Michael Voris **(whose biography notes is a Catholic revert "after 20 years as a lukewarm Catholic living in mortal sin") coming around to applaud Cardinal Burke’s call for sexual responsibility …

actually have some surprising things in common!

youtube.com/watch?v=-UlmyOWhOWI < an old “Vortex” on Cardinal Burke, chastity. Before RCTV became “Church Militant TV”.

 

[pnewton]

While they seem poles apart:

– “Liberal icon” Jimi Hendrix’s warning people about the “free love movement” and its dangers (especially venereal disease) and …

– **Michael Voris **(whose biography notes is a Catholic revert "after 20 years as a lukewarm Catholic living in mortal sin") coming around to applaud Cardinal Burke’s call for sexual responsibility …

actually have some surprising things in common!

But can Mr. Voris smoke a guitar like Jimi?

FYI - I do think he is well deserving of his reputation as the greatest guitarist of all time. Jimi, not Michael.

 

[october_baby]

This thread is sure an interesting far flung read. Wrath to pacifism.

From Michael Voris wondering if God will still shed his grace on America given her waning willingness to protect the innocent (unborn). To a treatise on pacifism vs. empire building capped off with a quote from Jimi Hendrix!

Funny thing is, Jimi served in the US military and approved of the US defending South Vietnam (against the empire building Communist aggressors). And similarly was against abortion - again in favor of helping those too powerless to defend themselves. He died three years prior to the 1973 Roe v Wade case.

He may have lived a liberal lifestyle per fashion, rock 'n roll, and recreational drugs - but politically Hendrix was rather conservative according to his biographers.

americanthinker.com/blog/2009/03/he_was_a_conservative.html

http://cdn01.cdn.pinkisthenewblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/558-435x580.jpg

Jimi in the US Army (was out prior to Vietnam)
He was not a (practicall) pacifist, but spoke of
a just peace and backed the US’s protecting
the South Vietnamese.

And though he died before Roe v Wade made it legal throughout the US …

hollowverse.com/jimi-hendrix/

While they seem poles apart:

– “Liberal icon” Jimi Hendrix’s warning people about the “free love movement” and its dangers (especially venereal disease) and …

– **Michael Voris **(whose biography notes is a Catholic revert "after 20 years as a lukewarm Catholic living in mortal sin") coming around to applaud Cardinal Burke’s call for sexual responsibility …

actually have some surprising things in common!

youtube.com/watch?v=-UlmyOWhOWI < an old “Vortex” on Cardinal Burke, chastity. Before RCTV became “Church Militant TV”.

Thank Pnewton!! I mean captfun!!

 

[CaptFun]

But can Mr. Voris smoke a guitar like Jimi?

FYI - I do think he is well deserving of his reputation as the greatest guitarist of all time. Jimi, not Michael.

I wish he could. Or that I could. Although I must admit … that at the time I had “Voodoo Child” blowing my mind (and seemingly circling my head) on stereo headphones … I had sort of been in my “lukewarm Catholic in Mortal Sin” phase too.

I didn’t know until visiting some of these Hendrix sites that “purple haze” was a reference to the violet colored smoke put out when an M-16 fired a certain kind of grenade (that apparently was an option).

Hearing some of his interviews Hendrix was very depressed about how some of his music was published.

He complained that sometimes hours of double-tracking and painstaking work were undone by less than committed engineers who were less concerned with the overall sounds than getting the record cut between the margins of - not to high/not too low on the distortion meters.

This made me happy because … as some of his music was absolutely stunning … some of it … wasn’t (to me).

I kind of like it when people who are opposite on some things come to agreement on others - or agree to disagree and maybe learn something from their complementary opposites. YouTube has an old program where an audience does a Q and A with
William F. Buckley and Woody Allen. Very funny and lively. And what was best was
that there was civility in the teasing, and courtesy at the end.

Voris and Hendrix in the same post … … once I saw the common thread, I had to share it.

From the link on the other post … this Hendrix quote surprised me:

*It is widely accepted that he was a drug-using womanizer, so he lived his life based on those ideas, but he said things like:

“Forget about the mass love scene. That’s not where it is. It’s not building understanding. And I wish I could say this so strongly that they’d sit up in their chairs”. – Hendrix on the “free love movement”.*

My take is that he didn’t want to be a bad role model and saw some of the destruction that was going on around him. He had some harsh words about the drugs that were beginning to take over his life too. Though an OD, and a slow emergency response, eventually killed him.

Hendrix has some other quotes that are pretty far out there. Not just creatively, but philosophically. What the heck he was only 27 when he died - I should expect him to be Dietrich von Hildebrand TOO?!

His army days bore some musical insights though … his paratroop jumps inspired that falling sound on the electric guitar that I found so thrilling. And Billy Cox was a bassist he met at Ft. Campbell when Jimi was stationed in Kentucky. Miss him.

One parting quote from Jimi (on drugs … which were soon to do him in):

“Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most.” – Jimi Hendrix

Which is still pretty lucid, and a cautionary tale for those who might want to follow his
life TOO closely.

 

[oneofmany]

I think LIGHTBOUND and TIMOTHY H are cynical and jaded. I’m not saying that our country
does not have problems (it does, and ALL countries have problems.) But I grew up in the 80’s
and i’m seeing things that would have been unthinkable back then. W ether God blesses a
country or not is up to the theologians to decide. BUT if we are blessed, I can see God holding his blessings from us, when the majority of Americans support ANY KIND of
abortions.

I too am getting tired of people shooting down the years past as not much different than today. If you lived through them you know they were different and much more peaceful.

When did we turn on TV and see the trash we see today on TV? TV news was more of a fact telling show not a blood and guts sensationalizing one with editors comments on what he thinks is happening. Reality TV has ruined entertainment and the funny thing is it’s not even that much reality in it. It is sensationalized for ratings. It’s all about ratings anymore and the truth is lost.

I know parents who only let their kids watch the old shows on NIckelodeon or the movies they pick for them so they won’t see the trash.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I too am getting tired of people shooting down the years past as not much different than today. If you lived through them you know they were different and much more peaceful.

When did we turn on TV and see the trash we see today on TV? TV news was more of a fact telling show not a blood and guts sensationalizing one with editors comments on what he thinks is happening. Reality TV has ruined entertainment and the funny thing is it’s not even that much reality in it. It is sensationalized for ratings. It’s all about ratings anymore and the truth is lost.

I know parents who only let their kids watch the old shows on NIckelodeon or the movies they pick for them so they won’t see the trash.

If you measure the evil in the world based on how much they show on TV, then a) you are buying into media hype and propaganda by attempting to correlate what MSM shows with reality, and b) not accounting for any period of time before TV became mainstream fixture in homes. When I was little, TV’s were just coming of age. It took a few years for them to ramp up to be as efficient as they are at exposing every disgusting and deplorable thing across the globe, in real time on TV and streaming on the web for replay.

So 50 years ago we had no idea what perverted act some person in another continent did with some innocent animal. Now we know. But to conclude that times were of better morality because we didn’t have such constant access to the dirt around the world, is a bit like …

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Now I’m thinking, wouldn’t it be awesome if destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah were on the evening news, and somebody found the old videos and posted them on YouTube?

Alan