Chaldean Archbishop found dead

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Polaris said:
Protect? protect who?

And what about the children of the ones you kill? Will they just blame you, no they will go after your children. You are not saving anyone. You are just going to continue this cycle, and the killing will continue.

This war has been going on for how many hundreds of years? How is recipricol killing going to stop it?

Where does your hope for peace reside? Your only hope is to kill every Islamic follower. No thank you. Ill try the way that original won the middle east and north africa and not the way that lost it.
In the beggining of this church we were persecuted and whole families were executed, they did not fight back. Yet we still grew, and many a romans and arabs converted by our witness of love, of God and them. I respect them even today and was a support reason for my conversion.

This Archbishop died with honor not with intent to kill but to save others. He knew he was in danger. Did he go around order killings? No, he went with love. You have no such intent, you want revenge. You are his exact oppisite.
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I suppose if a drug crazed addict broke into your house you would stand by while he raped your wife and daughter(s), killed you son(s), took all your money and valuables then peacefully offer to let him kill you so that his children would not think ill of you. If not, why not?
 
:gopray:

Praying for the repose of Archbishop Rahho’s soul.

Lord have mercy.
 
RShackleford said:
:gopray:

Praying for the repose of Archbishop Rahho’s soul.

Lord have mercy.
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Amen to that! Although, I rather think he’s enjoying the beatific vision as we write.

He must have had some good effect on those who kidnapped him–at least they revealed where they had buried his body, and the gave him a burial, not just dumped him on a roadside somewhere, thanks be.
 
Della said:
Amen to that! Although, I rather think he’s enjoying the beatific vision as we write.

He must have had some good effect on those who kidnapped him–at least they revealed where they had buried his body, and the gave him a burial, not just dumped him on a roadside somewhere, thanks be.
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i believe this archbishop exuded the true spirit fo Jesus. His blood will sanctify the soil.
 
Della said:
What our military, already in Iraq, is trying to do is bring the terrorists to justice. The sort of people who kidnap a religious leader and hold him for ransom and don’t get him the medical care he needs while their prisoner should stand trial for their crimes.

Unfortunately, they are not going to just give up and hand themselves over. They are going to keep on killing innocent people, Muslim and Christian alike, until they achieve their goal–to turn Iraq into an oppressive state made in their own image.

Al-Queda will keep on trying to bomb us, kill us, do whatever it takes to destroy us. They are the ones who set the standards for the kind of world they want, just like the Nazis, and they must be stopped. That is our duty and responsibility. Their souls I leave in God’s merciful hands.
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Here’s the pity: the mothers and aunts, the fathers and uncles of these criminals aren’t turning them in.
 
Polaris said:
They are doing this because they are fighting for God, now you want to turn around and kill them because that is the right thing to do and thats what God wants you to…

Some how I do not think that is the way that God wants either side to work.

I think I will rather die with my head chopped off by the enemy saying I love you all the way to them, and hoping that witness converts rather then kill them, but hey Im old fashioned.🤷
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They are NOT fighting for GOD!
 
How very sad. 😦 May God rest this martyr of our faith eternal rest. :signofcross:
 
Lance said:
I suppose if a drug crazed addict broke into your house you would stand by while he raped your wife and daughter(s), killed you son(s), took all your money and valuables then peacefully offer to let him kill you so that his children would not think ill of you. If not, why not?
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My prayers for the soul of the good Bishop. May he rest in God’s endless love.

To Lance,
I cannot speak for our friend, but I think I can connect with what he is thinking. If they broke into my house and were trying to steal my money and valuables, I would willingly give them away. If however, they were going to harm my family I would be morally obligated to defend them. Also, if you are able to kill someone, you are likely able to non-lethally disable them. If it was just me, however, and they came with the intent to kill me, I would not raise a finger in my defense. I would die as a witness to self-less love. Wiping these heathen scum off the face of the earth makes us just as animalistic as them. They are human beings, just as you and I are, and I do not ever want to be in the position of choosing death for another human being. I want to live my life in a perpetual state of self-less love, and I think our Lord would want us all to.
 
mschrank said:
You do that, and I’ll go out with guns blazing hoping to kill as many as possible so they can’t do the same to others.
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If you’re so gung ho about killing, why didn’t you join Marine Corps Infantry?

This isn’t meant to be a slight, but you talk about how much you want to kill, yet take a job in the AirForce relating to languages, I suppose Cryptologic linguist or something in inteligence?

If you don’t really want to fight that’s fine, but don’t diminish the courage it takes to refuse to do violence, to walk down the street demanding civil rights waiting for a poloice officers bat to crack your head open, refusing to return their hate with your own, to offer your opressor and tormentor only love and kindness in return to their hate, to refuse the graifying satisfaction of emotional fufillment of violent impulses to an offense, and then decline supply your own boastfull language with action.

There is nothing loveing about hedonistically fufulling an impulsive desire for revenge, and down playing the opposition to violnce by refusing to contribute to to, it is just a cowardly mockery of what this man and Christ stood for
 
Lance said:
I suppose if a drug crazed addict broke into your house you would stand by while he raped your wife and daughter(s), killed you son(s), took all your money and valuables then peacefully offer to let him kill you so that his children would not think ill of you. If not, why not?
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First I would offer everything I own. Its not mine anyways. It was all a gift from my Father. I would stand infront of my family but I would not raise a hand he would have to strike me down, and again till im dead. Knowing my wife she would do the same, then my children if I taught them right would to. All the time praying for him and hopefully forgiving him with their last breaths. Or thats what I hope I would have the courage to do. Killing someone takes no real courage.
I will not kill someone he may convert and his soul be saved. What hope do you have for his soul being saved?
 
Polaris if you read your catechism, you’d know the lethal use of force is a DUTY under the correct circumstances.
2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor… The one is intended, the other is not.”[65]
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2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful… Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.[65]
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2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life. Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. To this end, those holding legitimate authority have the right to repel by armed force aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their charge.[66]
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Note that, under the law, you have the legitimate authority to defend your wife and children from an aggressor.

What about Pope Urban II’s appeal for the First Crusade?

Was the Battle of Tours, where the French beat back the Muslims wrong? Should they have just given in?

Are you aware that if not for stronger men than yourself, Europe would be praying to Allah right now, and you’d be a Muslim?

Pacifism is a heresy because it is contrary to what the catechism teaches.
 
Mirdath said:
Sad 😦

mschrank, Biblioassistant – consider a few things before you speak in the heat of the moment. What the Church has lost in an archbishop, she has gained in a martyr and an inspiration. And this ‘revenge’ talk sounds mighty odd coming from people who worship a man to whom much the same thing happened, and who preached forgiveness all the way up to his death :tsktsk:
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I agree with you.
Also this martyrdom has finally brought the plight of the Iraqi Chritians to the attention of the media.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
I agree with you.
Also this martyrdom has finally brought the plight of the Iraqi Chritians to the attention of the media.
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not sufficiently so, Neil. CNN didn’t pick it up, and it didn’t make the TV news on broadcast…
 
Polaris said:
First I would offer everything I own. Its not mine anyways. It was all a gift from my Father. I would stand infront of my family but I would not raise a hand he would have to strike me down, and again till im dead. Knowing my wife she would do the same, then my children if I taught them right would to. All the time praying for him and hopefully forgiving him with their last breaths. Or thats what I hope I would have the courage to do. Killing someone takes no real courage.
I will not kill someone he may convert and his soul be saved. What hope do you have for his soul being saved?
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You obviously have never dealt with someone who is high on crack. If he decided to rape your wife and you stood in his way he would not strike you down again and again. He would kill you the 1st time, rape you wif while he forced your kids to watch then kill them all and take whatever he wanted. By standing by and doing nothing you are putting your own soul in grave danger. See mschrank’s post to understand why.
 
Lance said:
You obviously have never dealt with someone who is high on crack.
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I have been high on crack. Pretty much the only thing on the agenda at that point is ‘get more crack’, not maim rape kill.
 
If someone breaks into your house, you don’t have the luxury of thinking that they are just there for your money. You can give them everything you own and there is still a better than average chance that they will kill you and your family. Dead people can’t be witnesses. Become the agressor. Defend your family, and please realize that you are not the one who put themselves in this situation. If this person dies as a result of HIS actions, he basicly killed himself. Feel bad about taking a life, but don’t crucify yourself for something that was not your decision.
 
I think the point of this thread is to share the plight of Iraqi Christians and to celebrate the glorification of this good Bishop and his priests. I wonder if anyone has availed themselves of opportunities to learn more about this situation? I wonder if anyone has found creative ways to support our brothers and sisters who live in Iraq? I wonder if anyone has checked out the website I referenced early www.iraqichristianrelief.org ?

CDL
 
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