Chaldean Patriarch

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You wouldn’t say that the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite is essentially a de-Latinized, Easternized version of the Tridentine Mass? I would, :(. Anyway, off topic…
 
YoungTradCath said:
You wouldn’t say that the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite is essentially a de-Latinized, Easternized version of the Tridentine Mass? I would, :(. Anyway, off topic…
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Visit a traditional Eastern Rite Church (or Eastern Orthodox Church). Diluted or watered-down is what you might call the OF. The OF is not close to being Eastern at all. 🙂
 
His Beatitude will not be wearing the traditional Chaldean shash.
Sako, having announced a reorganization of the Chaldean diocese and the ability to create one in Europe, has also said he will not wear the “Shash”, the typical headgear once led by the Chaldean clergy, which is a sort of turban, "I seems linked to an ancient tradition and folklore. I want to be simple and straightforward, do not raise barriers against anyone and also a certain way to dress in a way it is a barrier. Nothing Shash, maybe something more simple. " (Google Translation)
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Source: vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/nel-mondo/dettaglio-articolo/articolo/caldei-sako-papa-pope-el-papa-21930/

Wearing a shash is a barrier? :confused:
 
griego_catolico said:
His Beatitude will not be wearing the traditional Chaldean shash.

Wearing a shash is a barrier? :confused:
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Odd. He won’t wear the traditional shash but, while the article doesn’t mention it, I have little doubt he will continue to wear a Latin zuchetto. :confused: 🤷
 
That’s very disappointing, personally I think all bishops should wear a shash instead of a zuchetto. I doubt their mitres will change either anytime soon, though I have seen one case of the use of a Syro Malabar mitre.

Even priests should wear a minor shash if they wanted to.
 
I’m not very familiar with the Chaldean Church. Did the previous Patriarch wear the shash? Thank you.
malphono said:
Odd. He won’t wear the traditional shash but, while the article doesn’t mention it, I have little doubt he will continue to wear a Latin zuchetto. :confused: 🤷
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chaldobyzantine said:
That’s very disappointing, personally I think all bishops should wear a shash instead of a zuchetto.
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Albeit I’m not Chaldean I do, too. Ours all wear the tobbiyye (red for the Patriarch, black for the others) and the SOC and Syro-Malankara do likewise. (The SCC wear only the eskeemo although some of their bishops also use a zuchetto.) I’m not sure, and correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t all ACoE bishops wear the kossita (which is quite similar to the shash).
chaldobyzantine said:
I doubt their mitres will change either anytime soon, though I have seen one case of the use of a Syro Malabar mitre.
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That heart-shaped thing? To me it’s not particularly attractive and when all is said and done, it’s still a latin mitre. If it has to be a latin mitre, I’d actually I prefer a short, simple, gothic-style one to that heart-shaped thing.
chaldobyzantine said:
Even priests should wear a minor shash if they wanted to.
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The SOC do not, but Maronite custom is just that. There’s a history behind it which I won’t go into here.
 
malphono said:
Albeit I’m not Chaldean I do, too. Ours all wear the tobbiyye (red for the Patriarch, black for the others) and the SOC and Syro-Malankara do likewise. (The SCC wear only the eskeemo although some of their bishops also use a zuchetto.)
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The headgear for the SOC and the Syro-Malankara is not the same as the Maronites though. I’ve seen it referred to as koob’uono (SOC) or mudi thoppi (Syro-Malankara) and it’s a larger size with a peak on it.
I’m not sure, and correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t all ACoE bishops wear the kossita (which is quite similar to the shash).
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Yes, it is the kossita.
 
griego_catolico said:
The headgear for the SOC and the Syro-Malankara is not the same as the Maronites though. I’ve seen it referred to as koob’uono (SOC) or mudi thoppi (Syro-Malankara) and it’s a larger size with a peak on it.
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Yes, I know it’s not identical but, as with the shash and kossita, it’s similar. FYI, they had to be different because of regulations imposed by the Ottomans. Notice the Copts who also have something similar, but again, not identical.
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Yes, it is the kossita.
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Worn by all ACoE bishops?
 
The Philippi Collection is the best headgear website online, and anyone who is interested should really look at it and see everybody’s own little traditional hats.

Looking at this old photo makes me think, how was Vatican II so detrimental to our traditions that it changed even our own vestments after a few hundred years of union?
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