We don’t know if she did or did not die.
We don’t have her bones.
Your invention theory can’t be proven either.
Then why does “GOOD FELLA” in this forum keep saying that she DID DIE!! and that it is the truth??? You Catholics are confusing…some of you say she did died and you on the other hand she she didn’t die
WE DON’T HAVE JOSEPH’S BONES EITHER!!! SO DID HE ASSUME TOO?
Her death or lack of it is not a matter of doctrine. We can believe either.
I have no idea about Joseph.
The phrasing of your question suggests that one assumes himself or herself. Not so. God assumes.
Sorry for asking a lot of questions and thanks for baring with me but still things don’t make any sense.
Just about.
No. Apostolic Tradition is not an infallible encyclopedia of everything that ever happened in the History of Christianity. The most crucial teachings and interpretations are passed down through the Church - the Eucharist, the Trinity, the means of salvation, etc. Apostolic Tradition does not tell us infallibly where all the Apostles preached and died, where Jesus fed the 5,000 or even which books are in the New Testament (That was decided 300 years later by the Pope and Church Councils).
Your alleged difficulty doesn’t make any sense to me. The bodily assumption was what mattered to the early Church, not the physiological state of Mary’s body throughout the process. In fact if the Assumption were an invented doctrine, it would be easier for the inventor to come down on one side or the other.
It is in the teaching of the Church down the ages - just like the Trinity. If you’re looking for another bible with infallible content - you clearly misunderstand verbal Tradition.
Actually Catholics DON’T have infallible teachings about every Apostle’s death and mission. Only a few are recorded securely. There are local traditions that St Mark went to Alexandria, St James to Spain, St Thomas to India, but these are not infallible teachings. With Saints, ordinary hiistorical records have survived of some, but not of others. The problem with historical records from the First century is 1) Virtually nothing original survives from that period in the form of documentation. 2) During the years of persecution from 60 AD to 312 AD, Christian documentation was systematically searched out and destroyed by the Imperial authorities. You are therefore not going to have complete written records of theological minitiae or the locations of Saint’s tombs. The important matter was that Mary was assumed. Whether her soul left the body for a period during the process is not something that affects this either way. I think you’re choking on gnats.
The pope hasn’t “declared it infallible” because (lower case “t”) tradition has not been clear. Infallible papal declarations happen rarely and often come about because traditional Church teaching has been challenged. whether she died or not is not a non-negotiable teaching.
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Yes. It makes sense. My bet is that there is an Orthodox or Catholic Church there.
Some think it is very important.
The Catholic Church has very few non-negotiables.
I don’t know. It may or may not exist.
I see your point. Catholics would all love to have signed chain-of-custody documentation for every minute detail of every holy person that ever lived, every book of the bible, etc.
Mary’s tomb is in the Valley of Jehosaphat (the Kidron Valley) to the east of Jerusalem near the Garden of Gethsemane. The tomb is situated in the Church of the Sepulchre of Mary built in the 5th century. The actual site of Mary’s burial was confirmed by a private revelation granted to St. Bridget of Sweden when our Blessed Mother appeared to her there while she was on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, was obviously unaware of this oral tradition that was mentioned by Bishop Juvenal of Jerusalem to the Emperor Marcion at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 - about 1100 years before Protestantism emerged.
Good info. Thanks!!Mary’s tomb is in the Valley of Jehosaphat (the Kidron Valley) to the east of Jerusalem near the Garden of Gethsemane. The tomb is situated in the Church of the Sepulchre of Mary built in the 5th century. The actual site of Mary’s burial was confirmed by a private revelation granted to St. Bridget of Sweden when our Blessed Mother appeared to her there while she was on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, was obviously unaware of this oral tradition that was mentioned by Bishop Juvenal of Jerusalem to the Emperor Marcion at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 - about 1100 years before Protestantism emerged.
Pax Christu :harp:
My pleasure, Mark.
5. “Now God has willed that the Blessed Virgin Mary should be exempted from this general rule. She, by an entirely unique privilege, completely overcame sin by her Immaculate Conception, and as a result she was not subject to the law of remaining in the grave, and she did not have to wait until the end of time for the redemption of her body.”