Change of heart on socialized medicine

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royal_archer said:
all the ones who were satisfied with where they were.
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Or couldn’t or were stopped by authorites. it was more difficult to move here from Lithuania than it was from much of Poland, thus more Polish here than Lithuanians.
 
pathia said:
Teaching hospital would be nice, but it wouldn’t do anything to the $1500-2500 worth of medications I need per month. I can get those and import them overseas, illegally I might add, for a fraction of the cost, but customs has been seizing three our of four, so it’s not a reliable source.
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A teaching hospital could also help you find a cheaper price for your meds. It could be that you would pay nothing for them.

You can also contact the manufacturer of the meds. Most have special programs for people that can’t afford the going price.

Have you tried Medicaid? That is for people that are poor.

There really are options out there.
 
I want to make a note. Heard this but don’t have the backup. That there are only three countries with true single payer medical insurance: Canada, Cuba and North Korea. And the United States is headed for that model.

[And we know that Canada uses the United States as an escape mechanism.]

[And we know that a Canadian judge ruled that access to a waiting list is NOT access to health care.]

[And we know that waiting lists in Canada are excessive.]

[And we know that critics of the U.S. medical system complain that we have too many MRI machines.] (which of course explains why our waiting lines are shorter.)
 
fultonfish said:
I want to make a note. Heard this but don’t have the backup. That there are only three countries with true single payer medical insurance: Canada, Cuba and North Korea. And the United States is headed for that model.

[And we know that Canada uses the United States as an escape mechanism.]

[And we know that a Canadian judge ruled that access to a waiting list is NOT access to health care.]

[And we know that waiting lists in Canada are excessive.]

[And we know that critics of the U.S. medical system complain that we have too many MRI machines.] (which of course explains why our waiting lines are shorter.)
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And we have a poster in this thread who lives in Canada who says things are ok.
 
aspawloski4th said:
And we have a poster in this thread who lives in Canada who says things are ok.
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Well, then we should all believe that things are wonderful, all flowers and butterflies.

And we should ignore the evidence that shows they don’t have enough doctors, nurses, hospitals or MRI machines. We should ignore the evidence that says the waiting lists are beyond belief. We should ignore the people coming to the US for treatment.

All since a poster here says things are okay. 🤷
 
maryjk said:
Well, then we should all believe that things are wonderful, all flowers and butterflies.

And we should ignore the evidence that shows they don’t have enough doctors, nurses, hospitals or MRI machines. We should ignore the evidence that says the waiting lists are beyond belief. We should ignore the people coming to the US for treatment.

All since a poster here says things are okay. 🤷
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What if there are a lot more posters that saay things are ok?
 
aspawloski4th said:
What if there are a lot more posters that saay things are ok?
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What if there were? That doesn’t negate the facts.

What if I were to tell you the story of the family I met at the Wilmer Eye Institute? The story of the man that had lost the sight in one eye due to waiting lists in Canada and was paying, out of pocket for surgery on the other eye. The waiting list for surgery for the second eye was too long. Would that change your mind about health care in Canada?

What if I were to tell you the story of women in the hallway after giving birth because there weren’t any beds for them. Or the story about babies being sent to the US because there weren’t any beds for them. Mom didn’t come with them, just the babies.

Would that change your mind? Because these are facts, not just one poster or even a lot of posters saying that things were “okay.” Because you know what, they don’t know how things are in every part of the country. They may also not know how things are if you need care. Maybe they have never been in the need of care.
 
maryjk said:
What if there were? That doesn’t negate the facts.

What if I were to tell you the story of the family I met at the Wilmer Eye Institute? The story of the man that had lost the sight in one eye due to waiting lists in Canada and was paying, out of pocket for surgery on the other eye. The waiting list for surgery for the second eye was too long. Would that change your mind about health care in Canada?

What if I were to tell you the story of women in the hallway after giving birth because there weren’t any beds for them. Or the story about babies being sent to the US because there weren’t any beds for them. Mom didn’t come with them, just the babies.

Would that change your mind? Because these are facts, not just one poster or even a lot of posters saying that things were “okay.” Because you know what, they don’t know how things are in every part of the country. They may also not know how things are if you need care. Maybe they have never been in the need of care.
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The point is I don’t trust stisticians, I do trust real people. Stistics can be made out to whatever you want them to say.
 
maryjk said:
Well, then we should all believe that things are wonderful, all flowers and butterflies.

And we should ignore the evidence that shows they don’t have enough doctors, nurses, hospitals or MRI machines. We should ignore the evidence that says the waiting lists are beyond belief. We should ignore the people coming to the US for treatment.

All since a poster here says things are okay. 🤷
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And what about the posters have here that have nightmare stories about the US system? When something goes wrong in the UK or Canada, or France, it’s a sign of socialistic governmental meddling. When it happens here, there’s a shrug and maybe a “I’m sorry that happened”.
 
pathia said:
And what about the posters have here that have nightmare stories about the US system? When something goes wrong in the UK or Canada, or France, it’s a sign of socialistic governmental meddling. When it happens here, there’s a shrug and maybe a “I’m sorry that happened”.
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Hmm a smell a double standard lurking.
 
pathia said:
And what about the posters have here that have nightmare stories about the US system? When something goes wrong in the UK or Canada, or France, it’s a sign of socialistic governmental meddling. When it happens here, there’s a shrug and maybe a “I’m sorry that happened”.
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Neither system is perfect. So why change from one system to the other?

How about instead of ramming through a system that we know doesn’t work, we look at what we can do with our system to have it work for more people?

And since you saw that post, could you answer the other?

Have you tried to contact a teaching hospital, the manufacturer of your meds or Medicaid? Maybe moving to a place that has a teaching hospital will allow you to receive care and meds at a price that you can afford.
 
maryjk said:
Neither system is perfect. So why change from one system to the other?

How about instead of ramming through a system that we know doesn’t work, we look at what we can do with our system to have it work for more people?

And since you saw that post, could you answer the other?

Have you tried to contact a teaching hospital, the manufacturer of your meds or Medicaid? Maybe moving to a place that has a teaching hospital will allow you to receive care and meds at a price that you can afford.
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Unless it was a teaching hospital for advanced endocrinology, there isn’t much med students coul ddo for me. I am not qualified for medicaid, or medicare. The manufacturers of my medications state that I make too much money to apply to their charity programs. The only way I could get care in the states is to quit my job and go on disability, removing myself from the workforce entirely. I refuse to do that, I can work, I shouldn’t have to become a complete leech on society to get care, it doesn’t make any sense.
 
pathia said:
Unless it was a teaching hospital for advanced endocrinology, there isn’t much med students coul ddo for me. I am not qualified for medicaid, or medicare. The manufacturers of my medications state that I make too much money to apply to their charity programs. The only way I could get care in the states is to quit my job and go on disability, removing myself from the workforce entirely. I refuse to do that, I can work, I shouldn’t have to become a complete leech on society to get care, it doesn’t make any sense.
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Maybe because the way our society has sett things up to be in healthcare, our society deserves a few leeches until it comes to it’s senses.
 
pathia said:
Unless it was a teaching hospital for advanced endocrinology, there isn’t much med students coul ddo for me.
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So, I will take that as a no, you haven’t checked. You should know that it isn’t med students that would treat you. You would be treated by a doctor, while he/she was teaching the med students. And where do you think doctors learn to specialize? (At teaching hospitals.)
I am not qualified for medicaid, or medicare. The manufacturers of my medications state that I make too much money to apply to their charity programs. The only way I could get care in the states is to quit my job and go on disability, removing myself from the workforce entirely. I refuse to do that, I can work, I shouldn’t have to become a complete leech on society to get care, it doesn’t make any sense.
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You say you don’t want to become a complete leech by quitting work. But you are willing to demand that others pay for your health care through a Public Health program. What is the difference? Either someone is paying for you through Social Security disability or someone is paying for you through a Public Health program.
 
maryjk said:
So, I will take that as a no, you haven’t checked. You should know that it isn’t med students that would treat you. You would be treated by a doctor, while he/she was teaching the med students. And where do you think doctors learn to specialize? (At teaching hospitals.)
You say you don’t want to become a complete leech by quitting work. But you are willing to demand that others pay for your health care through a Public Health program. What is the difference? Either someone is paying for you through Social Security disability or someone is paying for you through a Public Health program.
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If I am working, I am generating some income and creating some churn in the economy, if I go on disability, all I’m doing is taking money and putting nothing back into it
 
maryjk said:
Well, then we should all believe that things are wonderful, all flowers and butterflies.

And we should ignore the evidence that shows they don’t have enough doctors, nurses, hospitals or MRI machines. We should ignore the evidence that says the waiting lists are beyond belief. We should ignore the people coming to the US for treatment.

All since a poster here says things are okay. 🤷
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The people that go to the states have the money to do so. That is not the norm, for sure. I would rather bear with a little so that EVERYONE gets care and no one is excluded for lack of money depending on what insurance you carry. Or, whatever the insurance does not cover to have to mortgage your house so that you can afford to have a dozen surgeries in you rlife that are all life-threatening! Or a hundred stays in the hospital throughout a span of twenty years!

Do we really want to go on the internet to show the horrors for the US about their health care? Because a lot here saying that it is all roses in the US. But, boy or boy somany have lost jobs and their insurance dropped them like they had the plague. A doctor had a whole warehouse iwth 200 doctors and 300 nurses for those who could get the care for whatever reason…and this in the US! Lives are a little bit more precious than a system that is overlooing so many…from simple gallbladder to heart surgery to cancer!

If only we could learn from each other…but it is the continual arrogance that is always portrayed here. The arrogance that says ‘WE KNOW BETTER!’ When there are many who are left behind.

You have a job? Good! You have insurance? Good! But there are hordes of people who have lsot their job here and in the US…is it their fault? Where is the dignity when a person is in so much pain but cannot get care because her hsuband makes just enough that Medicaid is not available but they have no money because they live from paycheque to paycheque!

Line-ups we have…but i have not experienced it. Our emergencies are getting clogged now because they have closed very small hospital emergencies. One needs to go to the bigger hospitals and wait. I have never had problems with either, and catscans are done right away when I am in the hospital…of ocurse it depends on th eemergency…

Anyway, this is so sad! It won’t be too much longer where it won’t matter. Both countries will crash!
 
If one poster from Canada saying it’s fine there means it’s fine there, then one poster here saying it’s fine means it’s fine here.
 
pathia said:
And what about the posters have here that have nightmare stories about the US system? When something goes wrong in the UK or Canada, or France, it’s a sign of socialistic governmental meddling. When it happens here, there’s a shrug and maybe a “I’m sorry that happened”.
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And once again, if the Canadian systems were really better then there would be a mass exodous. No exodous means the system up there is not worth it.
 
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