Change of heart on socialized medicine

[royal_archer]

This is truly tragic.

No your “rights” to your money are not more important than Pathia’s life.

If you’re really concerned about the tired argument of your last sentence then go ask anyone living in Europe, Taiwan, or Japan why they keep working? Perhaps you would just stop contributing if you had to help those less fortunate than yourself, but don’t speak for the rest of us.

Not to a veteran. Those who served were willing to forfiet their lives to defend individual liberties like the one Arwen has identified.

 

[rtconstant]

money is only as good as what people are willing to give for it. It is also just a means of facilitating commerce. Lets say that top 15% burned all of their money, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference. There is nothing stopping people from tradding goods and services with out exchanging money.

So instead of simply moving to a system that several other nations have proven to be successful, you feel better about all of us moving back to a barter system rather than making sure everyone has healthcare? Does the idea of everyone having access to healthcare really that repellant to you?

You’re right it does sound cliche. Its the same sort of convenient buzz word employers like to throw around to justify not allocating enough resources to projects so that they can have larger bonuses per quarter. I hope you are never forced to face the real world.

You are side stepping the point. If I earn the money, shouldn’t I have a say in which charity I give it to?

This is more than charity. Its a basic component of survival. If you don’t have a problem supplying roads to everyone, libraries to everyone, primary education to everyone, or funding a large proactively sized military for your government then healthcare is a no brainer.

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[rtconstant]

Not to a veteran. Those who served were willing to forfiet their lives to defend individual liberties like the one Arwen has identified.

Waving the bloody shirt eh? If you’re trying to say that veterans died so that we could only contribute if got something out of it, that’s your view, but it is a sad one.

 

[TEPO]

You have to prove you cannot work more than you are to receive aid, I obviously would be capable of working more, as they could just look at my previous working history. It’s not nearly as simple as you seem to think.

If you have a disability then you AUTOMATICALLY get FREE HEALTHCARE. Its called medicare.

Have you ever thought about getting a different job with benefits?

How about quitting your job, getting a part time job, and moving in with a family member…

I was recently homeless for 6 months on the street, and I know how easy it is to get aid. I used to make a six figure income too. I know it is a debt to income ratio, and if you do not make enough to pay for your bills, and for your insurance through your job, then you are qualified for medicaid.

 

[TEPO]

Hmm , are all you are interested in getting with the money you earn is what you need??? I thought I was debating a humanbeing here. If I had food and health care given me on a silver platter, I’d continue to work, because I want a vacation or 2 a year, I want to tend to my antique radio hobby, in suuroundings that seem overly physical oriented Id got nut without the intellectualism of the internet, I’d like to get my wife her favorite cake for her birthday seeing I don’t bake very well. Without those I’m no more human than the wild animals one sees on the tv show Wild Kingdom.

You will have nothing before long… When socialized healthcare along with cap and trade eat away the entire economy, you will suffer. You wont have to worry about cake and icecream. You’ll be heading for the soup kitchen, but actually it will be closed.

I know, you think that we can be similar to Canada and the U.K… Sorry. USA is the superpower, and when we go broke they all go broke. It will be a domino effect. Cap and trade will be the force to start the chain of events.

I dont have to support the new laws that many Catholics now follow. During this time of transition I will stick to the old traditional values that were good before this tolerance and watering-down of the Church (and everything that is good) started.

I wont give in to this weakness! I’ve been taught that there are no shortcuts in life!!! What you think you are getting for free YOU WILL PAY FOR one way or another…

You think you are being generous, but perhaps it is you who is actually being greedy. Try being dirt poor and still not taking from the rich. That is called honesty my friends.

 

[TEPO]

Waving the bloody shirt eh?

Waving the bloody shirt? Nice one…

 

[fultonfish]

As well as you. So are you saying your money is more important, than preventing Pathia from dying? A simple yes or no is sufficient, anything more is baloney.

Fine.

Give my your credit card and go away so I can charge all my medical expenses to you. And it doesn’t matter how much you make or what YOUR needs are. As you say, preventing me from dying is worth more than YOUR money.

 

[pathia]

How about quitting your job, getting a part time job, and moving in with a family member…

I’m disowned.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Fine.

Give my your credit card and go away so I can charge all my medical expenses to you. And it doesn’t matter how much you make or what YOUR needs are. As you say, preventing me from dying is worth more than YOUR money.

you didnt read my post on governement programs anda floating currencies in this thread didnt you? Print that money up! By the way I live on less than 8 grand a year with unemployment and have no credit card. I have a wife who almost went into a coma from aa diebetc blood sugar crash. Im more needy than you are. But hey you should feel good about it, if my wife has another crash and dies , one less person to spay by the likes of you.

 

[aspawloski4th]

You will have nothing before long… When socialized healthcare along with cap and trade eat away the entire economy, you will suffer. You wont have to worry about cake and icecream. You’ll be heading for the soup kitchen, but actually it will be closed.

I know, you think that we can be similar to Canada and the U.K… Sorry. USA is the superpower, and when we go broke they all go broke. It will be a domino effect. Cap and trade will be the force to start the chain of events.

I dont have to support the new laws that many Catholics now follow. During this time of transition I will stick to the old traditional values that were good before this tolerance and watering-down of the Church (and everything that is good) started.

I wont give in to this weakness! I’ve been taught that there are no shortcuts in life!!! What you think you are getting for free YOU WILL PAY FOR one way or another…

You think you are being generous, but perhaps it is you who is actually being greedy. Try being dirt poor and still not taking from the rich. That is called honesty my friends.

Governement healthcare or no governement health care we are actually going to be poor eventually someday anyway. Floating currencies don’t last forever. So as long as the American dollar as well as most others are floating, you might as well get your moneys’s worth and float it baby and take what you can before there is nothing to get. Money is created out of nothing and will oneday go back to nothing. Might as well get what you can while you can.

 

[TEPO]

I’m disowned.

You’ve got to pull yourself together. God himself put you here on this earth , you are meant to be here… Your soul has infinite value… You will live forever.

I refuse to believe that you are too weak to gain control of your destiny. I have faith that you can overcome or at least bypass these obstacles and live a happy God filled life.

Not just physically, I’m talking mentally and spiritually…

I know someone who has chronic health problems. Cystic fibrosis to be exact (she gets social security and medicare by the way)… She has to have nasal surgery at least once a month. She is on every pain medication there is at their highest level. She is often confused and disoriented.

I believe that if she lowered the pain medication and began natural remedies including meditation and prayer, she would be happier and more confident. Her personal relationships would be more fruitful.

I dont know your exact health situation, but I have read your posts on previous threads and I am under the impression that you also have chronic health problems. There must be some way you can get medicare to prevent these bankruptcies…

You said you are disowned. I certainly hope that you do not think that you are completely alone. Just remember that: As Catholics we are a family. You are still a part of this family.

I hope that you can mend your relationships with your family members. I will be doing a rosary for that today. I will pray for you and your family members -not for you to live with them, but for peace in your family.

Peace,
TEPO

 

[TEPO]

Governement healthcare or no governement health care we are actually going to be poor eventually someday anyway. Floating currencies don’t last forever. So as long as the American dollar as well as most others are floating, you might as well get your moneys’s worth and float it baby and take what you can before there is nothing to get. Money is created out of nothing and will oneday go back to nothing. Might as well get what you can while you can.

I strongly disagree… Listen, were gonna lose something for this -are you willing to give up the freedom of our children?

I believe that in this Universe, no matter what you’re talking about, that if you take away from something you will have to give back in one way or another… In one form or another… If there is no money to give then perhaps it will be our freedom -or even worse -our lives. But I promise you this, they’ll never get my soul!

Nothing is for free…

 

[pathia]

You’ve got to pull yourself together. God himself put you here on this earth , you are meant to be here… Your soul has infinite value… You will live forever.

I refuse to believe that you are too weak to gain control of your destiny. I have faith that you can overcome or at least bypass these obstacles and live a happy God filled life.

Peace,
TEPO

You’ve missed out on the other thread I’m speaking in, I am taking control, by moving out of this country. Especially after what’s been put forth as reform, it will do nothing for me, so I’m leaving. We’re already packing boxes actually.

 

[TEPO]

You’ve missed out on the other thread I’m speaking in, I am taking control, by moving out of this country. Especially after what’s been put forth as reform, it will do nothing for me, so I’m leaving. We’re already packing boxes actually.

Well, I wasn’t expecting that… But to be quite honest with you, I may be right behind you if I don’t get my CDL/job back soon. I’ve been unemployed for almost a year, with no unemployment because of a DUI… I wasn’t even driving a truck it was my wife’s Toyota corolla…

I had to live homeless on the streets for six months. Is that a fair punishment for a couple sips of beer? CDL holders have a zero tolerance for alcohol. That means a 0.01 will put you in jail and have your license stripped for one year. How is that fair?

Where is my freedom?

But the only ones I have to blame are liberals (MADD in particular) with their uselessly strict and ever increasing laws. My kids were the ones who suffered the most.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Well, I wasn’t expecting that… But to be quite honest with you, I may be right behind you if I don’t get my CDL/job back soon. I’ve been unemployed for almost a year, with no unemployment because of a DUI… I wasn’t even driving a truck it was my wife’s Toyota corolla…

I had to live homeless on the streets for six months. Is that a fair punishment for a couple sips of beer? CDL holders have a zero tolerance for alcohol. That means a 0.01 will put you in jail and have your license stripped for one year. How is that fair?

Where is my freedom?

But the only ones I have to blame are liberals (MADD in particular) with their uselessly strict and ever increasing laws. My kids were the ones who suffered the most.

Now this post I totally agree with you. So if you take cough syrup you risk loosing your job. I sitll wonder what section of the constitution of our nation or any state of the union make driving a priviledge and not the right is originally was when cars wee a new contraption.

 

[royal_archer]

So instead of simply moving to a system that several other nations have proven to be successful, you feel better about all of us moving back to a barter system rather than making sure everyone has healthcare? Does the idea of everyone having access to healthcare really that repellant to you?.

If it is so successfull fro those other countries then people should move to those countries. We have open borders and are not forcing anyone to stay here.

I wish everyone would have access to health care. I also wish every person was celebate up to their wedding day. Do you really want me forcing my morality on you?

You’re right it does sound cliche. Its the same sort of convenient buzz word employers like to throw around to justify not allocating enough resources to projects so that they can have larger bonuses per quarter. I hope you are never forced to face the real world.

Getting off topic.

This is more than charity. Its a basic component of survival. If you don’t have a problem supplying roads to everyone, libraries to everyone, primary education to everyone, or funding a large proactively sized military for your government then healthcare is a no brainer.

Don’t presume I want to fund all of these at the level they are funded. Education and libraries are a local issue. The military and roads are authorized by the constitution. Roads are funded through taxes on gas and in a way self supporting (yeah there are problems there but not for this thread). I think the defense department is too lopsided towards occupasional capabilities and not as capable as it should be for pure defense of the boarders. (maybe if we brought those troops home and their hospitals, it would reduce the cost of health insurance here). If those other countries were forced to pick up a bigger share of there defense we would have more money for jobs (with insurace) here although that would force those countries to divert money from health care to their defense.

But why should a person who is just scraping by have to take food off their own table in order to buy medicine for someone else?

And many keep pointing out the very rare cases of people who through no fault of their own were unable take care of themselves and never had any chance at making it on their own. The reality is that most on public assistance are their through a lack of effort on their part. Why should I not be able to give my money to truly needy people whom I know are in dire straits through no fault of their own?

 

[royal_archer]

Governement healthcare or no governement health care we are actually going to be poor eventually someday anyway. Floating currencies don’t last forever. So as long as the American dollar as well as most others are floating, you might as well get your moneys’s worth and float it baby and take what you can before there is nothing to get. Money is created out of nothing and will oneday go back to nothing. Might as well get what you can while you can.

Sort of supports a theory that says people who want to nationalize health care are just doing it because they know it will weeken the country and allow us to be overtaken by whoever.

 

[royal_archer]

Well, I wasn’t expecting that… But to be quite honest with you, I may be right behind you if I don’t get my CDL/job back soon. I’ve been unemployed for almost a year, with no unemployment because of a DUI… I wasn’t even driving a truck it was my wife’s Toyota corolla…

I had to live homeless on the streets for six months. Is that a fair punishment for a couple sips of beer? CDL holders have a zero tolerance for alcohol. That means a 0.01 will put you in jail and have your license stripped for one year. How is that fair?

Where is my freedom?

But the only ones I have to blame are liberals (MADD in particular) with their uselessly strict and ever increasing laws. My kids were the ones who suffered the most.

a Friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver so normally I wouldn’t have much sympothy. However, the limmit should be the same for everyone.And why sepparate CDLs from commercial pilots whom I would assume are covered under the normal limmits.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Sort of supports a theory that says people who want to nationalize health care are just doing it because they know it will weeken the country and allow us to be overtaken by whoever.

I happen to be one of those conspiriacy theorists your mom warned you about. In the last couple dedaes the Hegelian dielectic has been played out to the max. Both liberals and conservative are being played like a fiddle, to get the results the one world governemnt isiders want. conflict creates results, controlled conflict creates controlled results. Your being probusiness at all costs is playing into isider’s hands big time.

 

[royal_archer]

I happen to be one of those conspiriacy theorists your mom warned you about. In the last couple dedaes the Hegelian dielectic has been played out to the max. Both liberals and conservative are being played like a fiddle, to get the results the one world governemnt isiders want. conflict creates results, controlled conflict creates controlled results. Your being probusiness at all costs is playing into isider’s hands big time.

Funny;

And don’t forget the ailiens and the farm land you can’t grow anything on… they are making landing stips for martians. (like in the song “Stuart” by The Dead Milkmen)