So what gives you the right t o live one extra year at the expense of one year of any other person’s life?So the solution is to not cover us at all, and let us expire naturally at the age of 35? That’s about my life expectancy without long term care of my endocrine system. That gives me a painful 6 years left…
If that money were spent on nursing home care, it could extend the lives of many others for a year. Why do you feel you have a right to take that from them?I am only 29. My medical bills passed the $600,000 or so mark this year, about 60k a year on average. Exactly how am I supposed to afford that kind of money? It’s more than I make in a year, more than most people make in a year. I work, but there’s no way I can ever work enough to pay that much money to stay alive, especially when working more than 30-40hours a week compounds my problems and hospitalizes me.
That is what over 200 million Americans believe. Most of us have had to work long an hard our whole lives and did not give up when we did not get instant gratification. Of course you also have to have a good attitude and have to be able to get along with others.Arwen believe in this myth that working hard magically gets you a good living and lots of money. Well I know from first hand experience that idea gives hogwash a bad name.
and I wanted to be an astronaut when I grew up. But God had a different plan and he won. I got over it and followed the path that seemed to be the one layed out for me and all has been well. Do you think I would have been better off continuing to sulk because I didn’t get the job I wanted? I also have gandiose plans that would make the world a better place if I just had enough money to get them started. But that was never meant to be either. So I focus that energy where I can make a difference.Can’t wait to see if I get what I want! Hmm Weatherforcasting on the radio, and a job of keeping people abreast of severe weather thats next to none, while the compenesation for it gets me a decent vacation once a year no medical bill worries, and able to join and be a part of the Michigan antique radio club. Lest I forgeting Iv’e been concocting a way to make abort illegal in the USA once and for all, but if I’m working bucu hours at a job week after week, I won’t get a crack at my idea. I’d like to be able to donate something back to the specialed school that I spent my first 9years of schooling at too. Not very grandiose isn’t it!
At most jobs I worked, many could tell you they didn’t know my opinion of much of anything because I kept quiet. and just did my job. About the only time any expression of feeling came out was when I was in pain on the job from a kidneystones. I did this for nearly a quarter century and got nowhere. Do ihave another 25 years before I get somewhere? I did all of what I was supposed to do and got nothing for it. If the whoole business world goes out of busniness ,and start over new wwith people interesting in getting things done rather than cliques.That is what over 200 million Americans believe. Most of us have had to work long an hard our whole lives and did not give up when we did not get instant gratification. Of course you also have to have a good attitude and have to be able to get along with others.
It is a man’s job to support his wife. I’m supporting mine and you should be supporting yours whether she could work or not. You should not be asking some younger woman to support you and your wife. You should also be much more appreciative of those who are helping you out.You lack wisdom and understanding of the real world. You focus on one aspect of healthcare, money. Which is at least spiritually immature if not totally immature. The same princle as being able to go to work ,but not be old enough to drink. I have lived through and seen much more than you have. At one time I was young and though that one moved up and got a better life through hard work. I eventually learned that is no more true than the moon is made of green cheese. If you want to comment on paying for my wife’s medical problems, get back to me in 20 years. She was a good worker for many years, but got shafted by Grand Rapid’s big retail outlet. She is in capable of working now. her medical expenses sometimes can get in the neighborhood of Pathia’s. Medicare takes care of some of it. Somebody who has never had a spouse wake them up in the middle of the night screeming in pain doesn’t know a hint of what I have to try and take care of. I am quite frankly sick and tired of those who don’t have a clue as to what they are talking about telling me how it is.
Maybe if you talked to your coworkers you would have been treated better. As for how many years before an opportunity? Maybe you should ask God for guidance.At most jobs I worked, many could tell you they didn’t know my opinion of much of anything because I kept quiet. and just did my job. About the only time any expression of feeling came out was when I was in pain on the job from a kidneystones. I did this for nearly a quarter century and got nowhere. Do ihave another 25 years before I get somewhere? I did all of what I was supposed to do and got nothing for it. If the whoole business world goes out of busniness ,and start over new wwith people interesting in getting things done rather than cliques.
My costs if I had ongoing care would be a fraction of that. The high cost for me is the cost of not having preventive/chronic condition management. I don’t have any, what happens is my chronic conditions build up to life threatening levels, then I go to the ER and they manage to mitigate it for a year or so. Rinse, repeat.So what gives you the right t o live one extra year at the expense of one year of any other person’s life?
If that money were spent on nursing home care, it could extend the lives of many others for a year. Why do you feel you have a right to take that from them?
But you didn’t answer the basic question. Why do you feel you have the right to extend your life expectancy at the expense of another person’s life expenctancy?My costs if I had ongoing care would be a fraction of that. The high cost for me is the cost of not having preventive/chronic condition management. I don’t have any, what happens is my chronic conditions build up to life threatening levels, then I go to the ER and they manage to mitigate it for a year or so. Rinse, repeat.
With chronic condition management, I would live to a normal lifespan, or at least close enough to it as not matter. As is though, they cut it roughly in half whenever they give me an estimate.
And even having said THAT the majority of my bills come from the following things. Kidney stones, gall stones, appendicitis, pneumonia. Those are all things anyone gets and are readily treatable, just expensive when you have to rely on the ER for treatment. They are not specific to me, or any of my more obscure medical conditions. People randomly get them all the time.
You are asking a question about a situation that I don’t agree with. Why not ask if I still beat my partner while you’re at it? I don’t accept the premise that giving me any care eliminates care for anyone else.But you didn’t answer the basic question. Why do you feel you have the right to extend your life expectancy at the expense of another person’s life expenctancy?
Thats a trick question , a loaded question and a very un Christian quest, that deserves not be answered.But you didn’t answer the basic question. Why do you feel you have the right to extend your life expectancy at the expense of another person’s life expenctancy?
Here in reality it does, whether you accept it or not. What you have advocated does not improve health care it only redistributes resources for it.You are asking a question about a situation that I don’t agree with. Why not ask if I still beat my partner while you’re at it? I don’t accept the premise that giving me any care eliminates care for anyone else.
First, welcome to the boards.I for one believe in the need for choice and yes, I believe that includes a public option. I want as much choice available for me to make the best decision for me. I also have no problem paying into a system that will help others. I do that already when I pay Taxes, SS, and Medicare.
If my plan cost more than the bennefit and I could find a better plan I would drop out. I don’t mind my plan money going to others in the plan who are part of the shared risk and who are also part of the contributing base. The problem comes in when you have people who do not contribute to the plan but take from it; as would be the case with the government option.We will soon becoming up on the enrollment period for most group plans. What new plan or changes will you see this year? Will you have to pay more? Are the deductibles higher? Are all family members still covered or are you the only one covered? Is(are) you doctor(s) still in the (new) plan? I have never seen a enrollment year go by without changes. If you currently pay into a group health plan, you are paying for your fellow members health care as well as your own. Would you opt out and pay for an individual plan just so you only cover yourself?
That is something that is changing with the generation Y workers. At the end of the day they just shut off ties to work. Although for some of us work is our hobby and provides a sense of accomplishment.One observation: we have been raised with the mantra of work, work, work, as though work will solve everything. The problem is that today’s workers are expected to be available 24/7. Have the modern conveniences of cellphones, blackberries, IMs, and emails made life less stressful or more because people on the other side expect you to respond now!!!? Where is the down time to regenerate, to relieve stress? If your lucky enough to have time off, are you really away or are you still tied to your desk? In my opinion this leads to more stress, more depression, more health problems, more drugs so we can try to stop the symptom. Does this not add to our health care problem/concern?
It is none of the above. It is an honnest question meant to uncover less than honnest intent. Why are you so afraid to answer the question?Thats a trick question , a loaded question and a very un Christian quest, that deserves not be answered.
Becvause the premise is faulty, and meant to cause conflict. There is no good answer to it. It’s a damned if you damned if you don’t answer you will get. You’d not like the answer my grandmother who was a nurse before you were in diapers would give. She would say save the young first because the old had their time. Actually it wouldn’t be at the cost of others lving… You do both and worry about the money later, to do it anyother way would be putting money before life and mortal sin in the eyes of the church without question or debate. You don’t like my answer because I saw through you trying tp trip her up. Shame shame.It is none of the above. It is an honnest question meant to uncover less than honnest intent. Why are you so afraid to answer the question?
If I didn’t shut of ties to work in some situations I’d have divorce papers waiting for me iumediately. If my dad didn’t leave work at work hell would break out at home, with 8 adhd children at home. As for my doing physical work all day, I have a strong need to do something with my brain when I get home or Id go off the deepend.First, welcome to the boards.
Most don’t have a problem with helping others. The difference of opinion is normally in how to do that. Some argue that the better way is to give directly to those in need and to work with them to move them from dependency toward self sufficiency. Others feel it is better done by over paid politicians and descriminatory taxes which foster a dependent class.
If my plan cost more than the bennefit and I could find a better plan I would drop out. I don’t mind my plan money going to others in the plan who are part of the shared risk and who are also part of the contributing base. The problem comes in when you have people who do not contribute to the plan but take from it; as would be the case with the government option.
That is something that is changing with the generation Y workers. At the end of the day they just shut off ties to work. Although for some of us work is our hobby and provides a sense of accomplishment.
I don’t recall advocating anything in specific.Here in reality it does, whether you accept it or not. What you have advocated does not improve health care it only redistributes resources for it.
So you don’t recognize that human resources are limmited?Becvause the premise is faulty, and meant to cause conflict. There is no good answer to it. It’s a damned if you damned if you don’t answer you will get. You’d not like the answer my grandmother who was a nurse before you were in diapers would give. She would say save the young first because the old had their time. Actually it wouldn’t be at the cost of others lving… You do both and worry about the money later, to do it anyother way would be putting money before life and mortal sin in the eyes of the church without question or debate. You don’t like my answer because I saw through you trying tp trip her up. Shame shame.
OK??? I though you advocated the government funded “insurance” programs.I don’t recall advocating anything in specific.
Why would paying taxes to fund a public healthcare program shorten your life expectancy? Because you are depressed about not being rich?But you didn’t answer the basic question. Why do you feel you have the right to extend your life expectancy at the expense of another person’s life expenctancy?