Changed my views on Homosexuality

[Arbovirus]

I am disappoint.

I would like mystical experiences too. But I am far too wicked for that.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Again, written by humans.

Again, inspired by God

 

[pocaracas]

pocaracas:

Again, written by humans.

Again, inspired by God

Somehow, I doubt that.
How can one discern a reasoned argument, or a made up claim from “inspired by god”?

 

[ConstantLearner]

God very much cares. If you’re gay, He wants you to live celibately. If you’re agnostic, He would want you to know His divine love for you.

You are anthropomorphizing God. God doesn’t care, want, fear, love, suffer, worry, celebrate, etc., as we do. We can know that God is, but we cannot know what God is. His fullest expression was in the person of Jesus Christ, but Christ was a rather mysterious person.

 

[Arbovirus]

You are anthropomorphizing God. God doesn’t care, want, fear, love, suffer, worry, celebrate, etc., as we do. We can know that God is, but we cannot know what God is. His fullest expression was in the person of Jesus Christ, but Christ was a rather mysterious person.

Jesus cared about sin. “Go and sin no more.”

Scripture tells us Jesus cares. “…because He cares for you.”

 

[theCardinalbird]

Somehow, I doubt that.

How can one discern a reasoned argument, or a made up claim from “inspired by god”?

It is part of my faith to believe that the Church of Christ, who compiled the the sacred texts into the Bible, was guided by the Holy Spirit in figuring out which books were authentic (and inspired) and which were not.

I know this is not a good answer for you considering you are an atheist, but that is the only answer I could possibly give you. I don’t think that seeing is the only way in truly believing.

I’m sure, but assuming, that you need science to prove that God exists, is that right?

The compilation of the Bible was a hard task, figuring out which parts of the NT were from the Apostles and which ones were from unknown authors requires a lot of understanding about various things.

 

[ratio1]

This is off topic. Flagged as such.
Please start a new thread to discuss your religion of atheism/agnosticism if you wish.

 

[Arbovirus]

How can one discern a reasoned argument, or a made up claim from “inspired by god”?

If atheism is true, completely true, then nothing matters. I can steal, kill, push someone down the stairs who annoys me, etc.

If we are just matter and nothing more, if our neurological synapses are all that stands in the way between me and the world or the perception of the world, then nothing really matters. All is just an illusion, transitory perception.

We know right from wrong because of our sense of justice and truth. That conscience is from God.

But our conscience and mind have been corrupted like a computer virus – we still function somewhat but not 100% correctly at all time.

We know and sense order and disorder. Our natural inclination is for order but our fallen nature sometimes cannot discern between the two, and when physical senses come into play, it causes even more chaos.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Jesus also forgave;

There was no word in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek for “homosexual” or “homosexuality.” These words were invented near the end of the 19th century when psychoanalysts began to discover and understand sexuality as an essential part of the human personality in all of its diversity. Consequently, it cannot be claimed that the Bible says anything at all about it. The writers of the Bible had neither the understanding of it nor the language for it.

I believe homosexuality existed during ancient times, but whether the Bible talks of it of not, in the Bible’s original language, it is impossible to say. I also believe God created homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism, and he wants these people to live in companionship with others, as most heterosexuals do. The Bible emphasizes the goodness of God’s creation. I am totally heterosexual, but give me a loving and generous homosexual, etc., any day over a cold and judgmental heterosexual.

Homosexuality and bisexuality exist among animals. They cannot be said to practiced “disordered conduct” or have a “mental illness.” They are perfect as they are. If alternate sexual behaviors were signs of mental illness, then God would not have created animals who indulge in those behaviors.

We must remember that the Bible, at least the Hebrew Bible, was written for a specific cultural group - the Jews of Israel. It was not written with Gentiles in mind. I do not believe God intends us to live in the small world of Biblical culture, but in an evolving world, and a world that keeps Jesus’ new commandment: “Love one another as have loved you.”

Taken from:

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality?

The Bible says nothing about 'homosexuality' as an innate dimension of personality. Sexual orientation was not understood in biblical times.

www.hrc.org

Some modified, some not, but credit must be given to the original author, which is not me, for the most part.

 

[Arbovirus]

Jesus also forgave

OK…was anyone saying otherwise?

Jesus also said to repent. If people are taught that their sins are not sins, then they will not repent. They will continue in ignorance. Hopefully their ignorance would be a mitigating factor when they face judgment. But we can’t count on it or assume it.

Homosexuals and bisexuals (and anything in between) do not have to engage in sexual activity to live “in companionship with others”.

 

[theCardinalbird]

it is impossible to say.

In the way the Bible describes Homosexuality, Such as a man laying with a man, and Saint Paul’s letter to Corinthians that speak of these acts, including possibly Sodom and Gamorrah. These passages still spoke of men having sexual relations with other men

 

[Arbovirus]

I am totally heterosexual, but give me a loving and generous homosexual, etc., any day over a cold and judgmental heterosexual.

A spiritual work of mercy is to admonish sinners, not to judge them, but that they may see the error of their behavior, which is ultimately detrimental to their own well-being and dignity and accountable for at death.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Homosexuals and bisexuals (and anything in between) do not have to engage in sexual activity to live “in companionship with others”.

But they can.

 

[Arbovirus]

I can also eat 5 bags of Cheetos with 2 bottles of wine. Doesn’t mean it’s good for me. It would also be a sin.

 

[ConstantLearner]

A spiritual work of mercy is to admonish sinners, not to judge them, but that they may see the error of their behavior, which is ultimately detrimental to their own well-being and dignity and accountable for at death.

Weren’t we commanded not to judge, lest we be so judged? I think we were In Matthew 7:1-3.

Why do you care so much what other people do in private when they are not forcing you to live as they do? Let God be the judge of all who do not break our civil laws.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I can also eat 5 bags of Cheetos with 2 bottles of wine. Doesn’t mean it’s good for me. It would also be a sin.

I assume you mean gluttony, but true gluttony is far more than that. Gluttony is habitual excess in eating and drinking. And I honestly don’t think God would send anyone to hell for overeating. If he would, hell is going to be bursting at the seams.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Weren’t we commanded not to judge, lest we be so judged? I think we were In Matthew 7:1-3.

We were commanded to judge correctly, without being hypocritical:

7:1. Judge not, that you may not be judged.

7:2. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.

7:3. And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?

7:4. Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?

7:5. Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

7:6. Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Why do you care so much what other people do in private when they are not forcing you to live as they do? Let God be the judge of all who do not break our civil laws.

We care for their souls, but of course all we can do is inform them, they make the choices to either commit sin or not.

 

[Arbovirus]

I meant drinking beyond moderation. It may not be a mortal sin but it’s still a sin. (The five bags of Cheetos may not be a sin but it’s definitely not healthy.)

 

[ConstantLearner]

We care for their souls, but of course all we can do is inform them, they make the choices to either commit sin or not.

Well, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Evangelicals, Jews, etc., are all sure they have all the answers and we Catholics do not. The Church, herself, has said she may have to modify her view on homosexuality when it’s cause is finally known. So, I think it’s wrong to judge something when even the Church admits it may change it’s position. There are many theories about homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism, one of them being that men’s and women’s brains function differently. (This is a fact). The brain of a homosexual man, for example, resembles a woman’s more than a man’s. If this theory should hold, it would prove, without doubt, that it is not a “choice,” but the “way God made” the human being. Speaking out against these tortured souls is akin to speaking out against someone with autism, Down’s syndrome, epilepsy, etc. There will come a day when to speak out again homosexuals, etc. will be as unthinkable.