Changing times and Sola Scriptura

[ralphinal]

Since Sola Scriptura deals with doctrine and practices has the catholic church defined their own doctrine along these questions?

Yes. In summary, human cloning, bad. God is the author of life adn as such he has given us the means of reproducing. Cloning a human creates a myriad of issues, including questions of the santity of these lives.

We have a duty to preserve the earth while not neglecting our needs to use it to survive. We are stewards, not owners.

Withholding extraordenary medical care, if by choice of the patient, is not problematic. With holding food and water, in any case, is bad. That is typical care, not special.

All artifical birth control is problematic, but those that result in abortion are systemically worse. IUDs and abotifacients are among those.

Now do not ask me for citations.

 

[JonNC]

NAd I understand the caution. However, are children a right or a gift? What is a married couple garanteed from God?

One of many of God’s. No guarentees, but we also use medicine in enhance life in other ways. All but a fringe deny the use of medicine in that way.

Jon

 

[ralphinal]

One of many of God’s. No guarentees, but we also use medicine in enhance life in other ways. All but a fringe deny the use of medicine in that way.

Jon

Are fertility treatments needed to survive? Are they needed to enhance life? If God chooses not to bless you with Children, why not adopt and help save a life?

Frame of reference: in vitro, not injections of fertility drugs here. Two different issues.

 

[JonNC]

Are fertility treatments needed to survive? Are they needed to enhance life? If God chooses not to bless you with Children, why not adopt and help save a life?

Frame of reference: in vitro, not injections of fertility drugs here. Two different issues.

Certainly the better choice, as it doesn’t open the door to embryonic stem cell research and the like.
Jon

 

[ralphinal]

Certainly the better choice, as it doesn’t open the door to embryonic stem cell research and the like.
Jon

Agreed.

Many people miss the reasons that the Catholic CHurch opposes in vitro. Part of it is the removal of the marital act from reproduction (the opposite of ABC). The other part is that multiple eggs are used, creating multiple humans. What happens to the ones not used?

 

[JonNC]

Agreed.

Many people miss the reasons that the Catholic CHurch opposes in vitro. Part of it is the removal of the marital act from reproduction (the opposite of ABC). The other part is that multiple eggs are used, creating multiple humans. What happens to the ones not used?

I agree.
This is exactly why I said earlier we must be cautious. there is obvious room for abuse of human life. I’m not so moved by the “marital act” reason, but I do understand it. Of course, with my wife and I, it is what we preferred, anyway.
Jon

 

[ralphinal]

I agree.
This is exactly why I said earlier we must be cautious. there is obvious room for abuse of human life. I’m not so moved by the “marital act” reason, but I do understand it. Of course, with my wife and I, it is what we preferred, anyway.
Jon

Funny, but most people do

 

[Rightlydivide]

I do agree that times and circumstances make Sola Scriptura a challenge. Of course we COULD have documents like the Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae to solve contemporary issues and then have to backtrack…

 

[MrStain]

Contrary to popular belief, the Methodist Church never stopped being anti-abortion, though factions within it did.

As stated earlier, abortion cannot be justified as:

• a means of birth control
• a means of gender selection

The UMC also opposes late-term D&E.

As you can see, there are very, very few instances where the UMC justifies abortion. It is a very strong statement, in my opinion.

Really? As far as I can tell, the United Methodist Church is still a member of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, a group which it is a founding member. It is even mentioned on the UMC web-site. Even just as recently as this past May (per this article on the UMC site) the UMC voted to remain a member of this despicable organization.

For those who are not familiar, the coalitions main purpose it to defend & safeguard the so called right to abortion. Their “*efforts help counter attempts to enact restrictive legislation that would impose specific religious views about abortion… *” Unbelievable! Bad, Bad, Bad us for imposing our religious views that call for protection of the most innocent. This makes me so angry!!!

While I respect those conservative Christians who defend Sola Scriptura, clearly many others who profess that creed have discovered different interpretations when it comes to the dignity of the human person. Unfortunately, they don’t have 2000 years of Tradition to tell them they are dead wrong.

 

[ralphinal]

I do agree that times and circumstances make Sola Scriptura a challenge. Of course we COULD have documents like the Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae to solve contemporary issues and then have to backtrack…

Not exactly sure what you mean by that about Testem, but ok.

Why would God give us a rule of faith that does not answer every question?

 

[Rightlydivide]

Not exactly sure what you mean by that about Testem, but ok.

Why would God give us a rule of faith that does not answer every question?

Incredible.
One of the most shocking things I have ever read on this board. I will pass on that Kool Aid…

 

[ralphinal]

Incredible.
One of the most shocking things I have ever read on this board. I will pass on that Kool Aid…

. You haven’t discussed too much with the Muslims or the LDS.

 

[O.S.Luke]

Really? As far as I can tell, the United Methodist Church is still a member of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, a group which it is a founding member. It is even mentioned on the UMC web-site. Even just as recently as this past May (per this article on the UMC site) the UMC voted to remain a member of this despicable organization…

While I respect those conservative Christians who defend Sola Scriptura, clearly many others who profess that creed have discovered different interpretations when it comes to the dignity of the human person. Unfortunately, they don’t have 2000 years of Tradition to tell them they are dead wrong.

It is not without a lot of controversy - and it did not change the official church stance (which is causing some riffs) which causes consternation among those more pro-choice oriented.

Methodists do not profess sola scriptura, btw.

 

[cath2lic4ever]

And I would have to ask whose moral issues are to be included and excluded here? I ask this because I know of denominations that say the Catholic church compromises on their favorite moral issues…moral issues like drinking, smoking, gambling, swearing, etc.

you are misinformed about the CATHOLIC church. we don’t manage casinos! GOD bless & prayers to all!

 

[With_Questions]

you are misinformed about the CATHOLIC church. we don’t manage casinos! GOD bless & prayers to all!

I never said you did. You missed my point.

You are the one that stated that the Catholic denomination was the only church to have a strong stance on moral issues.

As a part of my response, I asked the question “Whose moral issues?”

My reason is because I know of several denominations where issues like smoking, drinking, gambling are moral issues and the position of the Catholic church is relatively weak with respect to these denominations.

Note that I am not saying that I am in agreement with these denominations. I just note this as a part of the question “Whose moral issues”?:

 

[MrStain]

It is not without a lot of controversy - and it did not change the official church stance (which is causing some riffs) which causes consternation among those more pro-choice oriented.

Methodists do not profess sola scriptura, btw.

That’s good to know. Keep fighting the fight & thanks!

 

[ralphinal]

I never said you did. You missed my point.

You are the one that stated that the Catholic denomination was the only church to have a strong stance on moral issues.

As a part of my response, I asked the question “Whose moral issues?”

My reason is because I know of several denominations where issues like smoking, drinking, gambling are moral issues and the position of the Catholic church is relatively weak with respect to these denominations.

Note that I am not saying that I am in agreement with these denominations. I just note this as a part of the question “Whose moral issues”?:

None of those issues are unique to modern times. I have another thread to discuss other issues. This is just about those issues that are more modern in nature.

 

[With_Questions]

None of those issues are unique to modern times. I have another thread to discuss other issues. This is just about those issues that are more modern in nature.

I know.

I was just responding to the silly assertation that the Catholic church is the only church that takes a strong stance on moral issues. Perhaps that should be another thread.

 

[ralphinal]

I know.

I was just responding to the silly assertation that the Catholic church is the only church that takes a strong stance on moral issues. Perhaps that should be another thread.

That is my other thread. I want to know what issues other denominaitons have a hard line, too hard a line, and not hard enough a line on.

All I was worried about here was modern issues that are not addressed in the bible, and how we deal with them.

 

[reteeks21]

Ok, so you sola sctiptura folks, help us out.

Human cloning, acceptable or not?

Is it a sin not to care for the environment?

Allowing someone to die by with holding medical care? Food and water? Even if it is their choice?

Please cite verses on this.

Those of you who are prima scripura can play along

Oh, what about birth control that works as an abortificient? Or the IUD that prevents implantation?

What are you trying to prove here? What does sola scriptura have to do with what you are trying to assert? What’s the corner you are wanting to paint us in? What’s the point?