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Paisius
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Not to be argumentative but…http://www.geocities.com/johnaugus/orans.jpg http://mountosb.org/icon/images/orans.jpg
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juliamajor
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In Metro Ny? there is gotta be someone in the area.I’m about 70 miles away from you- around Poughkeepsie and we have them it every year- look in “Catholic New York” the have them listed in the out and about section- (at least I think that’s what the call it!!)
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juliamajor
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Oh- for all those interested the NY Archdiocese is going to have a 40th Anniversary of the Charismatic Renewal in the Bronx Nov 10. lots of local Charismatic leaders will be there including Father Groschel!!
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mercygate
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Thanks! Although I LIVE in the Archdiocese of Newark, I go to church on weekdays in the City where I can pick up CNY. I’ll also look for the diocesan paper where I live . . .In Metro Ny? there is gotta be someone in the area.I’m about 70 miles away from you- around Poughkeepsie and we have them it every year- look in “Catholic New York” the have them listed in the out and about section- (at least I think that’s what the call it!!)
I would not have known about this except that the retreat master at the Confraternity of Penitents annual retreat this year was Fr. John Randall, of Providence, who was (and is) much involved with the Charismatic Movement. He did not in any way present it as being off-the-wall-rolling-on the-floor screwy.
Thlis was a very powerful retreat, and I expect to reap the fruit of it when I begin teaching my 6th grade CCD class in a couple of weeks!
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mercygate
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WOW! IT’s going on my calendar NOW!Oh- for all those interested the NY Archdiocese is going to have a 40th Anniversary of the Charismatic Renewal in the Bronx Nov 10. lots of local Charismatic leaders will be there including Father Groschel!!
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juliamajor
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Thanks! Although I LIVE in the Archdiocese of Newark, I go to church on weekdays in the City where I can pick up CNY. I’ll also look for the diocesan paper where I live . . .
I would not have known about this except that the retreat master at the Confraternity of Penitents annual retreat this year was Fr. John Randall, of Providence, who was (and is) much involved with the Charismatic Movement. He did not in any way present it as being off-the-wall-rolling-on the-floor screwy.
Thlis was a very powerful retreat, and I expect to reap the fruit of it when I begin teaching my 6th grade CCD class in a couple of weeks!/QUOTEI I start my adult Bible class on the 19th- if you pray for my class i’ll pray for yours!!!
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StephenB
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Mercygate : About LIS seminar - I would start with your Diocesan website and find out who is the Bishop’s rep to the Charismatic movement within your diocese -this person should be able to put you in touch with the various Charismatic movements in your area, and that should lead to the LIS seminar…Be ready for change.
I attended an annual conference last year, and the speaker made this statement concerning healing Mass - EVERYONE receives a blessing, whether it is in the form of physical or spiritual healing -it is truly a blessing. I had no idea just how much I was leaving out of my life until I went to this conference - it has COMPLETELY changed my life, and my relationships with spouse, children and everyone I encounter.
Jonestown Johnn - We are baptised in water AND Spirit at our baptism - so the residence of the Holy Spirit is established at that moment. How we maintain that residence is up to us.
Yes, you can be Catholic and die a ripe old age and have a really good chance of going to heaven, all things being equal and you check the right boxes along the way (TIC) and never utter a single sound in tongues, or a word of prophesy, or teaching…but why settle for less than what God has to offer you??? This is another part of the free gift.
There is a scrpture that says “…in My Father’s house there are many mansions…” This is a room in that mansion so come in, take a look around, if it doesn’t work for you try another room. (BEFORE ANYONE WRITES: I know that is NOT what this is specifically referring to. )
You might visit this website and take a look at some of the documents and media listed there. It was set up by a friend and his wife who have been in the movement for 30 years…
www.scablaze.com
(I’d HIGHLY recommend Fr. Ozele Signs and Wonders)
It is great to see so many people open to the Charismatic movement!
I attended an annual conference last year, and the speaker made this statement concerning healing Mass - EVERYONE receives a blessing, whether it is in the form of physical or spiritual healing -it is truly a blessing. I had no idea just how much I was leaving out of my life until I went to this conference - it has COMPLETELY changed my life, and my relationships with spouse, children and everyone I encounter.
Jonestown Johnn - We are baptised in water AND Spirit at our baptism - so the residence of the Holy Spirit is established at that moment. How we maintain that residence is up to us.
Yes, you can be Catholic and die a ripe old age and have a really good chance of going to heaven, all things being equal and you check the right boxes along the way (TIC) and never utter a single sound in tongues, or a word of prophesy, or teaching…but why settle for less than what God has to offer you??? This is another part of the free gift.
There is a scrpture that says “…in My Father’s house there are many mansions…” This is a room in that mansion so come in, take a look around, if it doesn’t work for you try another room. (BEFORE ANYONE WRITES: I know that is NOT what this is specifically referring to.
)You might visit this website and take a look at some of the documents and media listed there. It was set up by a friend and his wife who have been in the movement for 30 years…
www.scablaze.com
(I’d HIGHLY recommend Fr. Ozele Signs and Wonders)
It is great to see so many people open to the Charismatic movement!
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mercygate
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Deal!I start my adult Bible class on the 19th- if you pray for my class i’ll pray for yours!!!
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StephenB
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Mercygate - I’m getting goosebump just thinking about what a blessing you are going to be to the group of 6th graders! Lean on the outpouring of the Spirit as you prepare your lessons AND as you present. You will be amazed at what He tells you!
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nkmeck
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You can also go to google and search “st francis pictures” and the first thing that comes up on your screen is him in that posture.
Johnstown Johnn, you seem to have alot of misconceptions about the Charasmatic Movement. If the Johnstown refers to Johnstown PA, I can keep you posted of up coming charismatic events going on run by the good TOR friars at St. Francis University in Lorretto. I know alot of people who had similar misconceptions that had their lives completely changed by the movement (including myself). I’m a much better catholic for it. I know alot of times I get fired up when our non-catholic christian brothers and sisters simply write off the rosary and confession, but if they’ve never prayed it or been to a confession how can they really understand it. I guess what I’m saying is, don’t knock it, till you tried it. It’s a movement sanctioned by Holy Mother Church, and she knows best. Of course their are people that go to extremes, and give the movement a bad name, but there are traditional catholics who do the same thing. If you’d like some book references, I’d be happy to give you some.
God Bless
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johnstown_johnn
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The volume of Charismatics on this forum is mind-numbing. You come out in force, I have to admit. But it doesn’t sell with me.
In my Catholic bringing up we had and still have the route to our salvation through the sacraments. It’s a course that carries no risk in serving God no illusions and no sensationalism. It’s the right way.
The responses and the amount of them in promoting Charismatic worship does not make it more emphatic in so far as getting close to God. The Eucharist is the closest we can be in this mortal life we have…nothing eclipses the Eucharist.
For myself, I’ll stay the course and take the course of my forefathers in Christ.
In my Catholic bringing up we had and still have the route to our salvation through the sacraments. It’s a course that carries no risk in serving God no illusions and no sensationalism. It’s the right way.
The responses and the amount of them in promoting Charismatic worship does not make it more emphatic in so far as getting close to God. The Eucharist is the closest we can be in this mortal life we have…nothing eclipses the Eucharist.
For myself, I’ll stay the course and take the course of my forefathers in Christ.
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TOP
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What happens when God finds you through the prayers of others. I’m very traditional in my worship and practice, but also the recipient of an intervention that goes beyond most traditional thought. I think the charasmatics have something to bring to the table with the proper spiritual leadership from the ordained inso far as retreats. I’m not for the incorporation in the Mass. There, I would like the TLM. Tim
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Papal Message to Charismatic-Communities Conference
"Each Christian Must Become Christ’s Follower"
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 5, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Here is a translation of the message sent in Benedict XVI’s name by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, to the 12th international conference organized by the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships.
The five-day conference, held in Cachoeira Paulista, Brazil, ended today.
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI sends cordial greetings to the members of the numerous communities born of that “current of grace” which is the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, as they assemble in Cachoeira Paulista, Brazil, to reflect on the theme “New Communities for a New Evangelization.” He is also pleased to greet the many bishops present who have met to reflect on the theme “Charism and Institution: Co-essential.”
As His Holiness said to the members of ecclesial movements and new communities gathered in St. Peter’s Square on the vigil of last Pentecost: “Anyone who has come across something true, beautiful and good in his life – the one true treasure, the pearl of great price – hastens to share it everywhere, in the family and at work, in the contexts of his life” (Homily at first Vespers of the solemnity of Pentecost, 3 June 2006). Was it not such a new, spontaneous and joy-filled witness which then became proclamation, a missionary impulse inspired by the Holy Spirit that led many lay faithful to undertake a more committed Christian life within their communities?
As a result, the Pope also said in St. Peter’s Square, they can “collaborate even more, very much more, in the Pope’s universal apostolic ministry, opening the doors to Christ. This is the best service that the Church can offer to men and women, and specially to the poor to help the life of each individual; a just social order and peaceful coexistence among nations find in Christ the cornerstone on which the genuine civilization, the civilization of love, can be built” (ibid).
To speak of the new evangelization also means to speak about those who will carry it out, namely, individual Christians, those who have themselves encountered Christ, for “being Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction” (“Deus Caritas Est,” No. 1).
In order to give life to the world, that true life which is in Jesus Christ, each Christian must become his follower, must make him Master and Lord of his life, must enter into profound communion with him and become familiar with his thoughts, as we find them in the sacred Scriptures. It was precisely to reflect together on how to be disciples of Jesus in our own time that the movements and ecclesial communities of Latin America gathered on 9-12 March last, in Bogota, Colombia.
That meeting pointed to several urgent priorities calling for broad cooperation: Christian formation, a powerful proclamation before the world, a consistent missionary style, a concern for the poor, the suffering and the outcast. A passionate commitment to facing these challenges will surely contribute to the renewal of the Church, particularly in Latin America. As we look forward to the fifth General Conference of the Latin American episcopate, due to meet in Aparecida in May 2007 on the theme “Disciples and Missionaries of Jesus Christ” so that in him the peoples may have life, the Holy Father expresses his hope that the present meeting, through the exchange of experiences, reflections and new proposals, will contribute effectively to the preparation of that significant ecclesial event.
Entrusting the work of the conference to the intercession of Mary, Mother of the Church, particularly venerated in Brazil as Our Lady Aparecida, His Holiness sends to all present his special apostolic blessing.
With personal good wishes for the success of this initiative, I remain
Yours sincerely in Christ,
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone
Secretary of State
"Each Christian Must Become Christ’s Follower"
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 5, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Here is a translation of the message sent in Benedict XVI’s name by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, to the 12th international conference organized by the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships.
The five-day conference, held in Cachoeira Paulista, Brazil, ended today.
His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI sends cordial greetings to the members of the numerous communities born of that “current of grace” which is the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, as they assemble in Cachoeira Paulista, Brazil, to reflect on the theme “New Communities for a New Evangelization.” He is also pleased to greet the many bishops present who have met to reflect on the theme “Charism and Institution: Co-essential.”
As His Holiness said to the members of ecclesial movements and new communities gathered in St. Peter’s Square on the vigil of last Pentecost: “Anyone who has come across something true, beautiful and good in his life – the one true treasure, the pearl of great price – hastens to share it everywhere, in the family and at work, in the contexts of his life” (Homily at first Vespers of the solemnity of Pentecost, 3 June 2006). Was it not such a new, spontaneous and joy-filled witness which then became proclamation, a missionary impulse inspired by the Holy Spirit that led many lay faithful to undertake a more committed Christian life within their communities?
As a result, the Pope also said in St. Peter’s Square, they can “collaborate even more, very much more, in the Pope’s universal apostolic ministry, opening the doors to Christ. This is the best service that the Church can offer to men and women, and specially to the poor to help the life of each individual; a just social order and peaceful coexistence among nations find in Christ the cornerstone on which the genuine civilization, the civilization of love, can be built” (ibid).
To speak of the new evangelization also means to speak about those who will carry it out, namely, individual Christians, those who have themselves encountered Christ, for “being Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction” (“Deus Caritas Est,” No. 1).
In order to give life to the world, that true life which is in Jesus Christ, each Christian must become his follower, must make him Master and Lord of his life, must enter into profound communion with him and become familiar with his thoughts, as we find them in the sacred Scriptures. It was precisely to reflect together on how to be disciples of Jesus in our own time that the movements and ecclesial communities of Latin America gathered on 9-12 March last, in Bogota, Colombia.
That meeting pointed to several urgent priorities calling for broad cooperation: Christian formation, a powerful proclamation before the world, a consistent missionary style, a concern for the poor, the suffering and the outcast. A passionate commitment to facing these challenges will surely contribute to the renewal of the Church, particularly in Latin America. As we look forward to the fifth General Conference of the Latin American episcopate, due to meet in Aparecida in May 2007 on the theme “Disciples and Missionaries of Jesus Christ” so that in him the peoples may have life, the Holy Father expresses his hope that the present meeting, through the exchange of experiences, reflections and new proposals, will contribute effectively to the preparation of that significant ecclesial event.
Entrusting the work of the conference to the intercession of Mary, Mother of the Church, particularly venerated in Brazil as Our Lady Aparecida, His Holiness sends to all present his special apostolic blessing.
With personal good wishes for the success of this initiative, I remain
Yours sincerely in Christ,
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone
Secretary of State
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I don’t want want to be uncharitable but that is an extremely arrogant statement.If you really want to go way back into Church history your ancient forefathers worshiped with hands up loving God,Jesus Holy Spirit, Mary and the Eucharist. Was that illusion?which tradition are you talking of Apostolic? or Medieval?Most of what iscalled traditional goes back to Medieval times-what about traditions before it? what about Acts 2:1-4,12-21:
Acts4:8;acts6;3.10.acts7;55-56;acts8;14-20,26-40acts10;acts11acts131-12acts16:6-10
actually a lot of Acts. The apostles who partook of the eucharist were not empowered until the descent of the Holy Spirit.!We are part of the Body of Christ-we believe in the Great power of the Eucharist-we promote eucharistic adoration.-we sit we meditate we are silent we are all these and many people you know could beCC but you don’t know it-because 97% o the time we fit in just like you
. we believe in one lord one church and one baptism-we are"good" catholics.If Holy Mother Church can accept us in Her wide and open arms-why can’t you
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johnstown_johnn
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It will come down to choices. There will be a dwindling of Catholics in these days, Pope Benedict had made a reference to that.
What exactly will be the cause for the lesser numbers could be for sundry reasons. The Latin Mass can possibly be a catalyst; Women’s ordination; maybe even an outright split between the American Catholic church and Rome. Maybe even a huge surge in other forms of worship (Charismatic included). The Church may undergo persecution because of its positions on social issues such as Same-Sem “Marriages.”
These are very testy times we are living. Stay close with the Eucharist.
What exactly will be the cause for the lesser numbers could be for sundry reasons. The Latin Mass can possibly be a catalyst; Women’s ordination; maybe even an outright split between the American Catholic church and Rome. Maybe even a huge surge in other forms of worship (Charismatic included). The Church may undergo persecution because of its positions on social issues such as Same-Sem “Marriages.”
These are very testy times we are living. Stay close with the Eucharist.
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StephenB
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You must be referring to the Azusa St Revival in 1906 in Los Angeles. The particular movement lasted until 1915 …
The “current” Charismatic Renewal comes out of the experience of Duquesne University Student on a weekend retreat in Febraury 1967. If you do a search of Patty Mansfield or Ralph Martin, Peter Hrebeck or look up Catholic Charismatic Renewal Service …just to name a few, you can learn more and encounter some very powerful testimony of how they literally became “fools for Christ” in passing up very promising careers to follow this “movement.” At least do some reading…be sure you understand what you are afraid of (that is, fear of detracting from Christ and the church.)
It has already been said that Charismatics are very much in confirmity with church teaching and the authority of the Magisterium, so don’t worry about challenges to orthodoxy!
I challenge you in your personal prayer life to devote so time to contemplation on this matter. It is not about emotion and sensationalism - trust me, I’ve been down that road.
Read the writings of Fr. Karl Rahner - a Jesuit priest - he does not speak to the renewal, but he does speak to the specific action of the Holy Spirit in our lives. OPEN YOUR HEART and COMPREHEND WITH YOUR MIND what God has offered to you - charisms that will take you beyond the worries of “orthodoxy” to experiencing our Lord more fully in the Eucharist and in the Mass.
To borrow a catch phrase from a number of years ago, “Try it, YOU’LL LIKE IT!”
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juliamajor
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These may be trying times but there really is no reason to for doom and gloom. In the end God Always WINS!!
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passioncrosslov
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If you put it that way, then every saint that went before us are charismatic saints because they bore some or many of these gifts. So, are you saying that our Holy Mother Church charismatic all along, and it takes Protestants’ teachings to enlighten us, therefore Protestants has the truth all along? Please help, I’m getting confused!
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juliamajor
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Notice it says Early Church -first few centuriesA.D.-the Holy Spirit was and is always with us. it more like letting the HS have His way freely giving and submitting ourselves to the infilling of the Spirit
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