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Reuben_J said:
Exactly. Be aware though when you speak to those who do not know about the Charismatic Renewal. They can misunderstand you. Officially there is no Charismatic mass and when we say that, we will quickly be shot down, and rightly so, However, such jargon is only good with those who know what you are saying, 🙂
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Good points:thumbsup:
 
CathBoy1 said:
I would be careful of seeking out a so called “charismatic” movement within The Catholic Church.
This short video opened my eyes to the dangers of these groups.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=RnYsW9eWAQE

I myself prefer a reverent Novus Ordo Mass.🙂
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I like Church militant but i cant take thrm seriously on this as they are staunch traditionalists. …also make reference to “protty Jesus”…very insulting. As if all God fearing protestants have a fairy tale version of the Lord. Smh. Not only is that unruly but its against Church teaching. Voris and the crew even object to us holding hands during the Our Father prayer. Anything that even remotely appears to be protestant practice, they vehemently object to.
 
Reuben_J said:
The Pentecost experience of tongue is generally understood as speaking in tongue and interpretation of tongue.
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The verses about the inside of the Upper Room refer to praising/praying to God in Tongues. That is why there is no mention of interpretation of Tongues. (Acts 2: 1-4)
One person speaks in tongue, another able to interpret it. Thus different nationalities could understand what the apostles were saying as if they spoke in the languages of the listeners.
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Acts 2: 5 and following is an abrupt change of location and participants. The “Jews from every nation” are hearing the apostles speaking in each person’s own language. There is no interpreter between the lips of the apostles and the ears of the people outside the Upper Room. This is often referred to as a Miracle of Hearing.
The more common one is praying and singing in tongue. Because one has to corporate to initiate it, usually it starts with error or unauthentic. IOW, it is purely our own effort but that’s how it comes about. Without wanting it, then we will never receive it because a gift is meant ti be received. If you refuse it, then you will not get it.
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Post 52 forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14151490&postcount=52

clarifies what is included in our part.
 
Hatikvah said:
I think it’s like crazy reggae, if you’ve ever heard that. It’s almost like beatboxing but… different? 🤷
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I read once that a pentecostal woman with Jewish roots was told she had to speak in tongues…like its a requirement in that Church. And they also have interpreters there. She said she didnt feel anything spiritual happening to her, so just to appease them and test them she recited her grocery list in Hebrew. And she says their interpretation had nothing to do with what she actually said.

Im very cautious when it comes to this as it’s not a gift that i have as ive never done it ir felt moved to try it. But i thinks its possible that people are prayng in some sort of heavenly language which we cant discern here.🤷
 
Reuben_J said:
The more common one is praying and singing in tongue. Because one has to corporate to initiate it, usually it starts with error or unauthentic. IOW, it is purely our own effort but that’s how it comes about.
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Sounds like it’s not authentic at all then.
Without wanting it, then we will never receive it because a gift is meant ti be received. If you refuse it, then you will not get it.
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This is the line I’ve read and heard from Charismatics, both Catholic and non-Catholic. What exhibits “wanting it” - muttering and babbling while swaying hands in the air? Is not feeling this is genuine “refusing it”? Seems a good way to slight anyone who questions the actions by saying they are not wanting and refusing this.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
I like Church militant but i cant take thrm seriously on this as they are staunch traditionalists. …also make reference to “protty Jesus”…very insulting. As if all God fearing protestants have a fairy tale version of the Lord. Smh. Not only is that unruly but its against Church teaching. Voris and the crew even object to us holding hands during the Our Father prayer. Anything that even remotely appears to be protestant practice, they vehemently object to.
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To get to your point on holding hands during The Lords Prayer, I have heard from many different priests that this is not a common practice in The Church (much more common in USA) & actually a break in church tradition.
 
CathBoy1 said:
To get to your point on holding hands during The Lords Prayer, I have heard from many different priests that this is not a common practice in The Church (much more common in USA) & actually a break in church tradition.
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Just watched Mother Teresa’s canonization on Dvr and they were not holding hands in Rome during the Our Father. So i think there’s truth to that, but can we honestly argue that such a beatiful practice is anything but positive? The liturgy has definitely evolved since the early church.
 
All the last four Popes support the catholic charismatic renewal.

They have an international charismatic mass at the Vatican each year.

The Catechism testifies that the charisms are real and for building up the church.

At one of those international charismatic masses, the Pope was walking into the Church and all the Charismatics starting singing in tongues,
The Popes response was to speak aloud, “This (the catholic charismatic renewal) is the Church.”
 
Padre Pio and all the saints were charismatic.

The Apostles were charismatic.

In the sense, as catholic charismatic given very special charisms to build up God’s church on earth
 
The Acts of the Apostles and St Paul’s letters are charismatic. And form the exact basis for catholic charismatic prayer meetings.
 
St Paul wrote in the new Testament, “Seek yee the higher spiritual gifts. And do not denounce the one who prophecies. I wish you all spoke in tongues. Pray for the gift of interpreting tongues. Pray for the gift of prophecy. If someone is sick among you, lay your hands upon them calling upon the Name of the Lord and they will get better.”
Jesus said, “These are the signs that will accompany believers; they will speak in other tongues, they will heal the sick, they will prophecy, they will cast out demons,
Greater works than I will they do, because I go to My Father.
You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.”

Saint Pope John Paul the second said," The world has lost its sense of the supernatural and the miraculous."

The Bible says, “Jesus could not do any great work in His own hometown except heal a few sick people, and He marvelled at their lack of faith.”

People are skeptical of God’s miraculous power often block His miracles by lack of faith as Jesus showed at Nazareth where they said, “He’s only the carpenters son!”

While Peter walked on the sea when used faith and spoke and testified, “You are the Son of God!”

These promises of God, the spiritual gifts St Paul told Christians to seek, were alive in the Apostles, disciples and early Christians, in the saints, and in the Catholic charismatic renewal which has the full support of the last four Popes.

As Jesus said, “A prophet is without honour among his own people.”
As Pope John Paul Ii has said, “The world has lost its sense of the miraculous.”

St Paul wrote, “Why is it of hard belief to you that God can raise the dead?”
That God can work His miraculous gifts in His people throughout history.
 
Saint Paul said in 1cor spiritual things. Are foolishness to the natural person so using your logical mind. To understand the gifts. Of the spirit is foolishness, that is like telling a non Catholic or an alian that the bread and wine has changed because that is what you were taught to believe, if you have no experience with the prophetic, then spiritual things are foolishness
 
SyroMalankara said:
Sounds like it’s not authentic at all then.

This is the line I’ve read and heard from Charismatics, both Catholic and non-Catholic. What exhibits “wanting it” - muttering and babbling while swaying hands in the air? Is not feeling this is genuine “refusing it”? Seems a good way to slight anyone who questions the actions by saying they are not wanting and refusing this.
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I have just changed my public profile to include “I have prayed quietly in Tongues for years.”

There could be all kinds of muttering and babbling and swaying hands in the air at some event billed as the perfect way of grabbing a gift from the Holy Spirit. If one attends such an event and is worried about the authenticity, my first suggestion is to check with the Pastor of the Catholic Church which sponsored this event.

Catholics have the responsibility to report violations of Catholicism to the Pastor and further up the ladder if necessary.

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal liaison is another person to contact. Years back, in my diocese, a warning was sent to all approved Charismatic groups. This warning was that a known preacher/teacher who provided false information about Catholicism and Renewal was headed toward our diocese. The liaison, being the link to the Bishop and his list of approved speakers, notified everyone. This liaison can also verify groups as being affiliated with the Diocesan Renewal or not.

Getting back to the point of "What exhibits “wanting it” – that is a personal decision. There are not 10 commandments for exhibiting. An interested person has to discern between suggestions and personal reality. However, I have heard that a Catholic Renewal preacher appeared to overstep his authority. A letter of concern was used.

Next, the liaison should be consulted for more appropriate preachers.

My personal opinion is that “wanting it” is connected to the decision of yielding to the Holy Spirit. Review post 52. My favorite suggestion is to try Tongues out loud in the shower.

If one does not want the gift of Prayer Tongues, no problem. Prayer is not a game where someone wins the prize for the “best.”
 
Here2ddday said:
Saint Paul said in 1cor spiritual things. Are foolishness to the natural person so using your logical mind. To understand the gifts. Of the spirit is foolishness, that is like telling a non Catholic or an alian that the bread and wine has changed because that is what you were taught to believe, if you have no experience with the prophetic, then spiritual things are foolishness
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Saint Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians contains two important chapters, 12 & 14.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
Just watched Mother Teresa’s canonization on Dvr and they were not holding hands in Rome during the Our Father. So i think there’s truth to that, but can we honestly argue that such a beatiful practice is anything but positive? The liturgy has definitely evolved since the early church.
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I don’t want to get off topic to much, but I think the reasoning behind it, is that the practice of holding hands during The Lords Prayer takes the focus off of God and puts the focus on the community, at least that’s how it has been explained to me.
Not to say that I haven’t done it myself, but I stopped awhile back for my own reasons and only learned that it was considered a break afterwards.
 
grannymh said:
Acts 2: 5 and following is an abrupt change of location and participants. The “Jews from every nation” are hearing the apostles speaking in each person’s own language. There is no interpreter between the lips of the apostles and the ears of the people outside the Upper Room. This is often referred to as a Miracle of Hearing.
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Why does this not occur at every charismatic event? You speak in English, I understand it in Spanish? You pray in Cantonese, I understand in French. Makes sense according to the verse, but that’s not what is happening today is it?
 
SyroMalankara said:
Why does this not occur at every charismatic event? You speak in English, I understand it in Spanish? You pray in Cantonese, I understand in French. Makes sense according to the verse, but that’s not what is happening today is it?
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I personally know someone (I’ll call her Alice for simplicity’s sake) who went over to a stranger at a charismatic prayer meeting and prayed with her in tongues. To everyone else it sounded like babble, but the stranger, a woman who had recently escaped a Communist country, heard Alice praying in her native tongue for things she had never told anyone about. It happens.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Why does this not occur at every charismatic event? You speak in English, I understand it in Spanish? You pray in Cantonese, I understand in French. Makes sense according to the verse, but that’s not what is happening today is it?
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Are you referring to what is called a Miracle of Hearing? I have heard on CAF that the Miracle of Hearing has happened somewhere… Even though the details are vague, I do not doubt the possibility.

Are you talking about major public events such as conferences or perhaps having a famous guest speaker? The normal Charismatic gathering is not a major anything.

The normal Charismatic gathering usually begins with prayers of praise for God. Each person says their personal prayer in Tongues or the vernacular. In my old Charismatic prayer group, there was a participant who never use Tongues during this beginning part of our meeting. When I was standing next to her, I would shift to the vernacular and then back to Tongues and so on. There was no need for a person standing opposite us to understand what was being prayed to God. There is no need for that person to be an eavesdropper. There is no reason for the Miracle of Hearing.
 
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