Charismatic Mass

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Does anyone have a suggestion for reading about the Charismatic Mass and the Charismatic Renewal? I am not familiar with either of them. However, a freind has been asking about them and I feel rather uneducated. I am not looking for “propaganda” from pro or con, but rather an unbiased examination in light of the Magisteriam’s teaching.

 

[palmas85]

I believe you’re mistaken on this point:

From the website…

The Saturday night had been set aside for relaxation. so Patti (Gallagher) went to gather people to come. On her way, she stopped in the second floor chapel. She remembers, "I wasn’t going in to pray, just to tell any students there, to come down to the party. But as I entered into the presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and knelt there, I was filled with a sense of awe. I had always believed by the gift of faith, that Jesus is really present in the Blessed Sacrament, but I had never experienced His glory. As I knelt there, my body literally trembled before His majesty. I felt really scared and said to myself, 'Get out of here quick because something is going to happen if you stay in the presence of God.’ As I knelt there before the Lord, for the first time in my life, I prayed what I would call a prayer of total surrender. I said, 'Father I give my life to you and whatever you want of me, that’s what I choose. If it means suffering, then I accept that. Just teach me to follow your Son Jesus and to learn to love the way He loves.’”

In the next few moments Patti found herself prostrate, flat on her face before the tabernacle. No one had touched her but her shoes had come off. This was Holy ground. She was filled with an awareness of God’s personal love, a love so completely undeserved, so utterly foolish, so lavishly given, that the only word that came now was 'stay.’

Though she wanted to remain in the chapel, she knew that if she could experience God’s love in such a profound way, others could too. She told the other two students in the chapel, ‘I pray that this will happen to you’, then hurried to tell the priest-chaplain what had happened. As she left him, a few students asked ‘What has happened to you? Your face looks different!’ Patti told her story, then took them by the hand to the chapel. There she prayed, ‘Lord, whatever you just did for me, do it for them!’ Within half an hour, 12 of the 24 students were in the chapel. They stayed singing and praying from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. the following morning and during that night God touched each one in a unique way. Some felt God’s love so deeply, that they couldn’t do anything but weep. Others laughed and laughed. Some including Patti, felt a tremendous burning in their hands or going through their arms like fire. Others experienced a clicking in their throats or a tingling in their tongues. “You have to remember, we didn’t know about the gifts of the Holy Spirit”, said Patti.

The only other time I learned of this account was at a Charismatic Retreat. I don’t know of other accounts to the story.

Also from the website:
In the fall of the same year, this group met again for a period of deeper prayer and in it, “Come Holy Spirit” was recited and an important place was given to the Holy Spirit. Since these Catholic laymen wanted more clarification on the topic, some approached the Pentecostals, despite the somewhat repute of their doctrinal beliefs. W. Lewis an Episcopalian Priest, put this group in touch with a woman involved in Charismatic Movement. In January 1967, an invitation was given to them to attend a prayer meeting on January 13th, which was the day of the Baptism of Our Lord. At that meeting more anxious doubts arose at the way things were done. Ralph was confused by the prayer meeting. No doubt, he was positive about the high level sharing and lively theology, but his intellectual mind was scandalized at the literal interpretation of the Scriptures and the idea of direct communication with God. Out of these four who attended the meeting, only Ralph returned the following week, but had brought with him another Professor of Theology, Patrick Bourgeois and at the end of the meeting, the two men asked to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. One group prayed on Ralph, imposing their hands and the other group on Patrick. Ralph was asked to make an act of faith for the power of the Spirit to work. He prayed in tongues rather quickly. Ralph and the group began to have some deep and wonderful experiences of prayer. The result of all this was to seek an interdenominational and quite informal prayer group, who had undergone the experience called “The Baptism in the Holy Spirit” (the Acts of the Apostles and I Cor Chpts 12-14 were read literally by this group). The follow-up was on 18th and 19th February 1967 where about twenty-five students and University theology professors from Duquesne University got together for a retreat weekend at the Ark and the Dove retreat house outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to study the Acts of the Apostles and consider the claims of the Pentecostals as described in the two books, "The Cross and the Switchblade” and “They speak with other tongues.” They were praying for a new Pentecost throughout the weekend.

You left that part out for some reason. It preceded the quote you provided.

 

[palmas85]

Dear Palmas85,

As i said, i am not very learned in this area, i just know what is in my heart. As my beautiful mother is in the Charismatic Renewal - i will ask her some questions today, and believe me she does NOT lie. She is also a spiritual child of St Padre Pio and i have no doubt that she will let me know a bit more about this… She is very knowledged in this area and has been to the Life in the Spirit Seminars and still has all her teachings, so i’m sure i can find out more. I am** not **a Charismatic. I do not have any of the **‘gifts’ **that are bestowed upon them. But i would **never **put them down, as they **do **belong to our Church. As for the Pope, i will talk to my Parish Priest, he came back to us just after Christmas after spending 20 plus years in the Vatican. I will ask him directly about this and then i will get back to you. I will not say what i do not know. I just know that the CM brought me back to Jesus and the Church and i am not a Charismatic at all, but i have fell in love with how they love and praise Jesus, and i love going to them. If the Pope doesn’t say it is wrong, then to me, that’s ok… Sorry if you do not see it like that, but It is my personal opinion.

**The late Holy Father was my father on earth, and i listened to him. He partook in Charismatic Masses as he also spoke in tongues. I know this to be true, and you **cannot ****dispute this. I think he left good instruction for us all, but maybe we just look at it differently.

I don’t ‘put down’ other faiths, let alone parts of my own faith, i was not taught that in Catholic School. I do not ‘put down’ anything or anyone, let alone what i do not know and understand. I may not be super intelligent, but i have common sense.

Thank you for pointing out my signature, it is just that **'my signature.’ ** SInce going to Charismatic Masses i have developed a love so deep for Jesus, i don’t understand it, but i know it is there. I do use the same one in ALL my posts, i did not do it just for this one! I love Padre Pio, and i don’t think that has anything to do with what you are talking about. The CM gave me a ‘burning’ love for Jesus, did you not know that Padre Pio was in love with the Lord, his heart would pound with love for Jesus… faster and faster an faster… He felt love, compassion, so much for our Lord - i actually learn from him and have books on him.

I am not here to debate, just tell it how it is from my side of the fence. I am not a Charismatic, i do not belong to the Charismatic Renewal - but i will embrace the Charismatic Renewal as it was the reason why i came back to my faith as i was so disappointed with the Catholic Community who judged etc… i did not feel the love in parishes, but i did there. So… what is wrong with that? Nothing, our Churches in Australia were becoming more and more empty, but the Charismatic Renewal has brought people back to the Church, Protestants in particular have become Catholics because of the Renewal. We have a fire burning for Jesus finally! PRAISE THE LORD! I was embarassed to say something like that growing up as it was more American Evangelist talk, but not now… PRAISE JESUS for giving me the desire to come back to him. I pray in front of the Blessed Sacrament and it brings me joy… It is all my own personal choice. Anyway i do not want to be a smarty pants so I will talk to my Priest and my mother and then get back to you.

Have a wonderful day, and God’s peace to you

I never heard of the late Holy Father speaking in tongues. When did he do that?? Documentation would be nice for a claim like that one since I really don’t think he did, any more than he presided at Charismatic Masses. If he had, I’m sure the Charismatics would have trumpeted it all over the place as it would have given the movement instant legitimacy of a great magnitude indeed.

 

[Deidre]

Deidre and Christcnection,

My days of arguing are over, after tonight! I have been so very blessed, and no amount of reasoning from “proof texts” will ever cause me to give audience to the empty words from a cold lifeless spirit ever again.

Thank you for those kind words. Scott Hahn continues to impress me and I hope I have the opportunity to hear him speak sometime also.

I agree with you about arguing! Thank you so much for affirming what I’ve been thinking myself. I think that God would prefer we spend our time building up others’ faith with encouragement and love. He doesn’t need me to defend (to the point of arguing) the Charismatic Mass nor doe He need others to defend (to the point of arguing) the Traditional Mass. He’s perfectly capable of leading the Church in the direction He wants it to go without our bickering.

In all things may God be given the glory and the praise.

 

[Good_Daughter]

Yes, and I am specifically pointing out that it is the Holy Spirit, speaking through the Council, who has called for this particular music to be given pride of place. I would think Charismatics would take that very seriously. Do they?

I am a cradle Catholic and I can honestly say I never heard of Gregorian Chant until I was in my 20s. A Charismatic friend introduced me to it.

 

[Walking_Home]

I am a cradle Catholic and I can honestly say I never heard of Gregorian Chant until I was in my 20s. A Charismatic friend introduced me to it.

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Well that is encouraging. Was Gregorian Chant used within the Charismatic----service.

 

[VociMike]

I am a cradle Catholic and I can honestly say I never heard of Gregorian Chant until I was in my 20s. A Charismatic friend introduced me to it.

That’s good news, of course. But if Gregorian chant is used only for devotional music, it’s not good enough. The chant exists for the Mass, and the Holy Spirit, speaking through Vatican II, calls for it to be used in the Mass. Not exclusively, but it is to have “pride of place”.

 

[Good_Daughter]

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Well that is encouraging. Was Gregorian Chant used within the Charismatic----service.

Until reading earlier posts, I’d never heard about the “pride of place” reserved for Gregorian Chant in the mass. (I don’t exactly have my finger on the pulse of modern Catholic theology.) I’ve never heard of it being used at any Charismatic gathering but I’m wondering if music ministers (Charismatic or otherwise) are simply uninformed regarding Vatican II reccomendations. I say this because I rarely hear Gregorian Chant at any mass.

The one exception is a nearby parish where the “Lamb of God” sung by the choir is “Agnus Dei”. It’s in Latin and there’s no accompaniment. Please forgive my ignorance, but that’s Gregorian, right? The funny thing is, the choir director there happens to be Charismatic. I’ve always had the distinct impression that Charismatics have a special love for Gregorian Chant. Thank you for the information on its importance in the mass. I’ll spread the word as best I can.

 

[Walking_Home]

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Until reading earlier posts, I’d never heard about the “pride of place” reserved for Gregorian Chant in the mass. (I don’t exactly have my finger on the pulse of modern Catholic theology.)

I’ve never heard of it being used at any Charismatic gathering but I’m wondering if music ministers (Charismatic or otherwise) are simply uninformed regarding Vatican II reccomendations. I say this because I rarely hear Gregorian Chant at any mass.

The one exception is a nearby parish where the “Lamb of God” sung by the choir is “Agnus Dei”. It’s in Latin and there’s no accompaniment. Please forgive my ignorance, but that’s Gregorian, right? The funny thing is, the choir director there happens to be Charismatic. I’ve always had the distinct impression that Charismatics have a special love for Gregorian Chant. Thank you for the information on its importance in the mass. I’ll spread the word as best I can.​

This is from our late Pope :

vatican.va/edocs/ENG0821/__P7.HTM

THE DIGNITY OF THE EUCARISTIC CELEBRATION

1. With this heightened sense of mystery, we understand how the faith of the Church in the mystery of the Eucharist has found historical expression not only in the demand for an interior disposition of devotion, but also in outward forms meant to evoke and emphasize the grandeur of the event being celebrated. This led progressively to the development of a particular form of regulating the Eucharistic liturgy, with due respect for the various legitimately constituted ecclesial traditions. On this foundation a rich artistic heritage also developed. Architecture, sculpture, painting and music, moved by the Christian mystery, have found in the Eucharist, both directly and indirectly, a source of great inspiration.

Such was the case, for example, with architecture, which witnessed the transition, once the historical situation made it possible, from the first places of Eucharistic celebration in the domus or “homes” of Christian families to the solemn basilicas of the early centuries, to the imposing cathedrals of the Middle Ages, and to the churches, large and small, which gradually sprang up throughout the lands touched by Christianity. The designs of altars and tabernacles within Church interiors were often not simply motivated by artistic inspiration but also by a clear understanding of the mystery. The same could be said for sacred music, if we but think of the inspired Gregorian melodies and the many, often great, composers who sought to do justice to the liturgical texts of the Mass. Similarly, can we overlook the enormous quantity of artistic production, ranging from fine craftsmanship to authentic works of art, in the area of Church furnishings and vestments used for the celebration of the Eucharist?

 

[VociMike]

Until reading earlier posts, I’d never heard about the “pride of place” reserved for Gregorian Chant in the mass. (I don’t exactly have my finger on the pulse of modern Catholic theology.)

Yes, this is a direct edict from Vatican Council II, but I’m not surprised that most Catholics don’t know about it. Furthermore, just a few months ago Pope Benedict XVI released Sacramentum Caritatis, in which he joins with the Synod Fathers in calling for Gregorian chant to be “suitably esteemed and employed as the song proper to the Roman liturgy”.

I’ve never heard of it being used at any Charismatic gathering but I’m wondering if music ministers (Charismatic or otherwise) are simply uninformed regarding Vatican II reccomendations. I say this because I rarely hear Gregorian Chant at any mass.

Some of it is honest ignorance, some of it is defiance.

The one exception is a nearby parish where the “Lamb of God” sung by the choir is “Agnus Dei”. It’s in Latin and there’s no accompaniment. Please forgive my ignorance, but that’s Gregorian, right?

If they are singing the Agnus Dei it may well be that they are singing a Gregorian chant version of it (there are more than a dozen Gregorian chant versions of it - you can see them here. Don’t let the notation bother you, it’s really no big deal at all).

The funny thing is, the choir director there happens to be Charismatic. I’ve always had the distinct impression that Charismatics have a special love for Gregorian Chant. Thank you for the information on its importance in the mass. I’ll spread the word as best I can.

Best of luck!

 

[christcnection1]

Also from the website:
In the fall of the same year, this group met again for a period of deeper prayer and in it, “Come Holy Spirit” was recited and an important place was given to the Holy Spirit. Since these Catholic laymen wanted more clarification on the topic, some approached the Pentecostals, despite the somewhat repute of their doctrinal beliefs. W. Lewis an Episcopalian Priest, put this group in touch with a woman involved in Charismatic Movement. In January 1967, an invitation was given to them to attend a prayer meeting on January 13th, which was the day of the Baptism of Our Lord. At that meeting more anxious doubts arose at the way things were done. Ralph was confused by the prayer meeting. No doubt, he was positive about the high level sharing and lively theology, but his intellectual mind was scandalized at the literal interpretation of the Scriptures and the idea of direct communication with God. Out of these four who attended the meeting, only Ralph returned the following week, but had brought with him another Professor of Theology, Patrick Bourgeois and at the end of the meeting, the two men asked to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. One group prayed on Ralph, imposing their hands and the other group on Patrick. Ralph was asked to make an act of faith for the power of the Spirit to work. He prayed in tongues rather quickly. Ralph and the group began to have some deep and wonderful experiences of prayer. The result of all this was to seek an interdenominational and quite informal prayer group, who had undergone the experience called “The Baptism in the Holy Spirit” (the Acts of the Apostles and I Cor Chpts 12-14 were read literally by this group). The follow-up was on 18th and 19th February 1967 where about twenty-five students and University theology professors from Duquesne University got together for a retreat weekend at the Ark and the Dove retreat house outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to study the Acts of the Apostles and consider the claims of the Pentecostals as described in the two books, "The Cross and the Switchblade” and “They speak with other tongues.” They were praying for a new Pentecost throughout the weekend.

You left that part out for some reason. It preceded the quote you provided.

I didn’t purposely leave anything out. There is no hidden agenda.

I was only highlighting a specific paraphraph. I have no problem with the text in bold letters. To me it just shows that God’s grace and love is not restricted to Catholics alone. I would likely not be Catholic if it weren’t for Evangelical and Non-Denominational groups.

The link was provided so that you and others could get this account of the story. I personally find it encouraging.

In love…

 

[christcnection1]

Thank you for those kind words. Scott Hahn continues to impress me and I hope I have the opportunity to hear him speak sometime also.

I agree with you about arguing! Thank you so much for affirming what I’ve been thinking myself. I think that God would prefer we spend our time building up others’ faith with encouragement and love. He doesn’t need me to defend (to the point of arguing) the Charismatic Mass nor doe He need others to defend (to the point of arguing) the Traditional Mass. He’s perfectly capable of leading the Church in the direction He wants it to go without our bickering.

In all things may God be given the glory and the praise.

Amen. The good Lord knows all our hearts. All these mysteries will be revealed at the appointed time.

I think it’s good to have a healthy balance of skepticism, caution, and openness to all these things, as the Church guides.

Where there is love, peace, and holiness, I hardly think one can be too far out of bounds.

In love…

 

[Tweety]

I never heard of the late Holy Father speaking in tongues. When did he do that?? Documentation would be nice for a claim like that one since I really don’t think he did, any more than he presided at Charismatic Masses. If he had, I’m sure the Charismatics would have trumpeted it all over the place as it would have given the movement instant legitimacy of a great magnitude indeed.

Have not spoken to my Priest or my mother about this yet…

I do not know how to put links onto here, so i suggest that you do what i did. Type in The Vatican into your search engine, and when you get the Vatican page up, type Charismatic Masses/ or Mass into their search engine, and you can choose to have it find things written by our late beloved Pope John Paul II.

I was delighted to find that he was **all for **the Charismatic Renewal and even thanks them! As for him speaking in tongues - i will get back to you when i get the relevant documentation.

Until then,

Peace and God’s Blessings to you…

 

[Tweety]

Palmas 85,

Please **do **go into the Vatican website. You will find speeches by our late John Paul II about the CM. I just happened to pick this one from 30 October 1998.

I do not know how to put links here, so please forgive me.
Just a bit from the first 2 paragraphs…

**"1. In greeting the International Conference of Catholic Charismatic Leaders, “I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed throughout the world” (Rom 1:8). The Catholic Charismatic Renewal has helped many Christians to rediscover the presence and power of the Holy Spirit in their lives, in the life of the Church and in the world; and this rediscovery has awakened in them a faith in Christ filled with joy, a great love of the Church and a generous dedication to her evangelizing mission.

1. As leaders of the CCR, one of your prime tasks is to safeguard the Catholic identity of the charismatic communities spread throughout the world, stirring them always to maintain a close and hierarchical link with the Bishops and the Pope. You belong to an ecclesial movement; and the word “ecclesial” implies a precise task of Christian formation, involving a deep convergence of fath and life. The enthusiastic faith which enlivens your communities must be accompanied by a Christian formation which is comprehensive and faithful to the Church’s teaching. From a solid formation will spring a spirituality deeply grounded in the sources of the Christian life and capable of responding to the crucial questions posed by the culture of our day. In my recent Encyclical Letter Fides et Ratio, I warned against a fideism which fails to recognize the importance of the work of reason not only for an understanding of the faith, but even for the act of faith itself.

I accompany your Conference with my prayers, trusting that it will bear rich spiritual fruit for the CCR throughout the world. May Mary, Bride of the Spirit and Mother of Christ, watch over all that you do in the name of her Son. To all of you, your communities and to your loved ones, I gladly impart my Apostolic Blessing."**

I hope i don’t get into trouble for typing all of that. (Sorry Moderators…)

Pope John Paul II gave the Catholic Charismatic Renewal** HIS ****BLESSING! ** I am bowing out of this, case closed from my end Palmas85. I leave it all with you for you to read and decide for yourself what our late Pope thought about the CCR.

God bless you on your journey.

 

[palmas85]

Palmas 85,

Please **do **go into the Vatican website. You will find speeches by our late John Paul II about the CM. I just happened to pick this one from 30 October 1998.

I do not know how to put links here, so please forgive me.
Just a bit from the first 2 paragraphs…

**"1. In greeting the International Conference of Catholic Charismatic Leaders, “I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed throughout the world” (Rom 1:8). The Catholic Charismatic Renewal has helped many Christians to rediscover the presence and power of the Holy Spirit in their lives, in the life of the Church and in the world; and this rediscovery has awakened in them a faith in Christ filled with joy, a great love of the Church and a generous dedication to her evangelizing mission.

1. As leaders of the CCR, one of your prime tasks is to safeguard the Catholic identity of the charismatic communities spread throughout the world, stirring them always to maintain a close and hierarchical link with the Bishops and the Pope. You belong to an ecclesial movement; and the word “ecclesial” implies a precise task of Christian formation, involving a deep convergence of fath and life. **The enthusiastic faith which enlivens your communities must be accompanied by a Christian formation which is comprehensive and faithful to the Church’s teaching. From a solid formation will spring a spirituality deeply grounded in the sources of the Christian life and capable of responding to the crucial questions posed by the culture of our day. **** In my recent Encyclical Letter Fides et Ratio, I warned against a fideism which fails to recognize the importance of the work of reason not only for an understanding of the faith, but even for the act of faith itself.

I accompany your Conference with my prayers, trusting that it will bear rich spiritual fruit for the CCR throughout the world. May Mary, Bride of the Spirit and Mother of Christ, watch over all that you do in the name of her Son. To all of you, your communities and to your loved ones, I gladly impart my Apostolic Blessing."

I hope i don’t get into trouble for typing all of that. (Sorry Moderators…)

Pope John Paul II gave the Catholic Charismatic Renewal** HIS ****BLESSING! ** I am bowing out of this, case closed from my end Palmas85. I leave it all with you for you to read and decide for yourself what our late Pope thought about the CCR.

God bless you on your journey.

What the Holy Father thought about it was entirely his business. It really makes no difference. Charismatic gatherings are not the normative practice of the Church and I doubt they ever will be. No one is directed to required to or even encouraged to attend these gatherings and most people have not, do not and never will. In spite of the euphoria that you obviously feel from reading the above, it is actually cautionary in nature as well as complimentary. I have bolded a relevant portion.

As to your earlier claims of the Holy Father’s charismatic dealings, I have researched them. He did not speak in tongues ever and he did not preside at charismatic masses.

Sorry to burst the bubble that way, but as has often been said on this forum

PALMAS 85 IS MEAN SPIRITED AND UNCHARITABLE
and in the words of my good charismatic friend El Gusano, UNCIRCUMSIZED OF HEART AND EARS.

 

[Tweety]

What the Holy Father thought about it was entirely his business. It really makes no difference. Charismatic gatherings are not the normative practice of the Church and I doubt they ever will be. No one is directed to required to or even encouraged to attend these gatherings and most people have not, do not and never will. In spite of the euphoria that you obviously feel from reading the above, it is actually cautionary in nature as well as complimentary. I have bolded a relevant portion.

As to your earlier claims of the Holy Father’s charismatic dealings, I have researched them. He did not speak in tongues ever and he did not preside at charismatic masses.

Sorry to burst the bubble that way, but as has often been said on this forum

PALMAS 85 IS MEAN SPIRITED AND UNCHARITABLE
and in the words of my good charismatic friend El Gusano, UNCIRCUMSIZED OF HEART AND EARS.

Dear Palmas85

I DO apologise if i heard wrong, i honestly thought that was true, otherwise i would never have said it. I do believe that he thought that they were more pro than con, but maybe you don’t.

Either way, if i am wrong, i have no problem saying so, and it looks like maybe i was wrong in the Holy Father speaking in tongues? So - sorry, i was wrong. As for bursting my bubble - you haven’t.

As said before, God bless you.

 

[Deidre]

Dear Palmas85

I DO apologise if i heard wrong, i honestly thought that was true, otherwise i would never have said it. I do believe that he thought that they were more pro than con, but maybe you don’t.

Either way, if i am wrong, i have no problem saying so, and it looks like maybe i was wrong in the Holy Father speaking in tongues? So - sorry, i was wrong. As for bursting my bubble - you haven’t.

As said before, God bless you.

Tweety,
I just want to say that I enjoyed reading your earlier post about John Paul II and will certainly go to the Vatican Website to read more. Thank you for posting it.

Also, I want to comment that the above post was very kind and humble.  It shows that you allow the Spirit of God to live and move within you.  Whether that gift is a fruit of the Charismatic movement or a gift you've been blessed with all your life, I don't know, but I just want you to know that I truly admire it.

“Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God!”

 

[Tweety]

Tweety,
I just want to say that I enjoyed reading your earlier post about John Paul II and will certainly go to the Vatican Website to read more. Thank you for posting it.

Also, I want to comment that the above post was very kind and humble.  It shows that you allow the Spirit of God to live and move within you.  Whether that gift is a fruit of the Charismatic movement or a gift you've been blessed with all your life, I don't know, but I just want you to know that I truly admire it.

“Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God!”

Dear Deidre,

God bless your heart!

All i know is that i love the CCR and my mum is part of it and she said that it is all **ok **with the Vatican. My mum does not lie, she is a devout Catholic and would NEVER go against her faith. She has gone to heaps of Spirit in the Life Seminars, was in the Discipleship of Jesus for over 10 years, has done courses, (and has kept all her teachings to pass onto me) and she is a Spiritual Child of St Padre Pio. She introduced me to The Missionaries of God’s Love (new order in Australia which is spreading fast and furious, and boy do they have the HOLY SPIRIT in them! so humble…) And the love that these Priests, Deacons and Brothers have is contagious!!! They have the CM on Sunday night 7pm at St Benedicts, the Eucharistic Centre for Catholics in our Diocese in Canberra, the Capital of Australia.

All in all, i know no-one can change my mind… And i pray that one day, the Holy Spirit will bestow on me what i have seen in others… i yearn for it… When they praise God, you can hear it and feel it from deep within their hearts and it makes me feel so good… This post has caused a stirring up in my heart and soul…Praise be to God for the CCR!

Also my mum was **healed ** of cancer and the medical profession has no explanation, all of this since opening up our hearts to the Lord through the CCR. We were both not practicing for many years (very long story) and it was mum who came back and got me come back… I had always loved Jesus and my faith, but i had a problem with some of our faithful… I always defended the Faith, but could not get over how other Catholics judged, treated people, and thought they were above the rest… I wasn’t taught to act like that in Catholic school… (Only Catholics go to heaven - yeah right! ) I have learnt so much from our Protestant friends. God bless them! Anyway, i followed my heart, the heart that God knew even before i was conceived.

I thank you from the very bottom of my heart. I have never liked arguments or things left up in the air. It’s not hard to say you’re sorry … You have made my day and if you are a mum, i hope God blesses you with a beautiful day tomorrow for Mother’s Day, if you are not a mum, i hope you can be with your beloved mum tomorrow… xxxx By the way, my bubble can’t burst as i have God inside it! It’s actually getting to be quite a big bubble!

 

[Deidre]

All in all, i know no-one can change my mind… And i pray that one day, the Holy Spirit will bestow on me what i have seen in others… i yearn for it… When they praise God, you can hear it and feel it from deep within their hearts and it makes me feel so good… This post has caused a stirring up in my heart and soul…Praise be to God for the CCR!

Tweety,
Don’t you see? You have it! Your prayer has already been answered. The greatest gift isn’t speaking in tongues or resting in the Spirit. The greatest gift is the humility that allows the Spirit to flow through you and out to other people. It allows you to follow Christ in your actions and your words. And the yearning that you speak of? God put it there as a gift also. May we never stop yearning to be closer to God.
May you and your mum have a blessed Mother’s Day tomorrow.(Actually you’re on the other side of the world - so maybe it’s already tomorrow? ) )
And may the Peace of Christ remain with you always!
Deidre

 

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Code: ZE07051110

Date: 2007-05-11

Benedict XVI’s Address to Brazil’s Bishops

… Precisely because faith, life, and the celebration of the sacred liturgy – the source of faith and life – are inseparable, there is need for a more correct implementation of the liturgical principles as indicated by the Second Vatican Council, as well as those contained in the Directory for the Pastoral Ministry of Bishops (cf. 145-151), so as to restore to the liturgy its sacred character. It was with this end in view that my Venerable Predecessor on the Chair of Peter, John Paul II, wished “to appeal urgently that the liturgical norms for the celebration of the Eucharist be observed with great fidelity … Liturgy is never anyone’s private property, be it of the celebrant or of the community in which the mysteries are celebrated” (Encyclical Letter “Ecclesia de Eucharistia,” 52). For Bishops, who are the “moderators of the Church’s liturgical life”, the rediscovery and appreciation of obedience to liturgical norms is a form of witness to the one, universal Church, that presides in charity.