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One of the main points of the Sacrament of Confirmation is that we receive and be sealed with the Holy Spirit and His gifts (charisms). CCC paragraphs 799-801 speak of the charisms, and Saint Paul writes of them. Some non-Catholic ecclesial communities teach cessationism, or the ceasing of the gifts of the Holy Spirit in the post-Apostolic age. The Catholic Church does not. Rather, it teaches that the faithful are to receive the gifts with gratitude. Our charisms are intended to be used by us for the building up of the Church. Do we know what our charisms are? Some are quite obvious, while others can be rather quiet. Read the catechism sections on the Holy Spirit, Confirmation and the charisms. You will be amazed.

Matthew 25:14-30, the parable of the talents, can easily be applied to the charisms that we received from the Holy Spirit at our Confirmation. The Master has given each of us gifts (“talents”) and has departed from us for a time. When He returns, He will expect to see the increase that we have obtained for Him by the use of our charisms (“talents”). Some of us have more than one gift, but even the most modest gift is expected to be used for God’s glory in the building up of the Church. We are called to discern what our gifts are and to put them to use. In the parable, the servant with 5 talents put them to work and gained 5 more for his Master. So also did he who had 2 talents. But the slothful servant did nothing with his single talent, offering it alone back to the Master. He made no attempt to use it - he even hid it by burying it. Do we want to give that response when the Master returns? Consider what was done with that lazy servant.

One of these gifts is that of tongues, which is widely misunderstood. Yet, those who speak tongues may need building up in themselves, as Paul indicates. Normally, one who interprets (another gift) should be present, but this is not a requirement if the person speaking is the one who needs building up. The Lord knows the condition of their spirit, not us. Should we be envious of them, or disdainful of them, because they have a gift that we do not? I do not grieve the Holy Spirit for His choice of gifts, either in myself, or in others, as all are for God’s glory. I think that we need to be very cautious here when speaking of the charisms, as we do not want to ascribe their use to some worldly spirit. While prayer outside of mass is intended to be substantially private, the use of the charisms should be primarily public - think of the Pentecost in Acts 2 here. Do we also think that those displaying the charisms are drunk? If so, we are just as wrong as those whom Peter addressed.

Yet, all such gifts, in accord with 1 John 4:1 and other passages, are subject to discernment by the Church. The Church carefully discerned the charisms and the charismatic movement back in the 1960s, when they were re-emphasized after having been substantially forgotten for some time. Is not the Holy Spirit known as the forgotten member of the Trinity? The ignoring of His gifts is one of the prime reasons for this lamentable fact. The charismatic movement seeks to reverse that course, yet does so via obedience to God and His Church.
 
I just hate how so many Catholics think they have the gift of tongues. They are no different than the multitude of pentecostals that claim the same thing 😦 It’s a big step backwards (in my honest and humble opinion)
What if they actually do? Do you not then risk grieving the Holy Spirit? You may have that same charism, or a different one. Do you know what it is? Have you sought its use?
 
Just out of curiosity, how would one find a Catholic charismatic renewal meeting? Would it be as simple as calling the local church office? There’s nothing posted on the church calendar that I saw on their website.
I pray that you come to experience not only the presence of the Holy Spirit, but also the true presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. I am here to attest that I have experienced miracles via the Holy Spirit in prayer before our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. Preternatural happenings with no earthly explanation. And, I am nothing. I can only imagine what you might experience.
 
Talk about putting words in someone’s mouth. I never said I hate anyone. I said I hate how so many people claim to have a gift from the Holy Spirit when Scripturally it is rare and has a purpose beyond excited gibberish. The Holy Spirit is not a dispensary of holy gifts that is on tap for anyone who wants a gift/charism/whatever. This charismatic movement “is” a legitimate movement. It’s just so outbof touch and being abused by individual groups that it’s impossible to discern a charismstic catholic from an evangelical protestant
Exactly!!there is where i get confused, every charismatic group i see makes me feel its a protestant movement,
 
This charismatic movement “is” a legitimate movement. It’s just so outbof touch and being abused by individual groups that it’s impossible to discern a charismstic catholic from an evangelical protestant
I find this statement rather encouraging, actually. 👍
 
Hi, my nearby church where i attend mass has a charismatic prayer group that prays every evening. What confuses me is they incorporate some things that i normally see in protestants and evangelicals like praying while shouting and crying, or not taking alcohol, this makes me feel like they are giving in to protestantism and they feel like some things are wrong in the church, i wonder if it is only here in my country or its universal because this is not my first place seeing charismatics doing such things. It really discourages me…in october i went for rosary prayers, and the leader was a charismatic, he even started it differently, i felt like just quiting the session.
There is no reason to stay with any charismatic group. The few good things that might come of it are more than counteracted by the real problems – like the fact that innumerable Catholic charismatics wind up leaving the Church or regarding the sacraments and the Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit as sort of second rate things, for those who aren’t REALLY spiritual. It was started by Catholics who were going to a Protestant prayer group back in the 1960s. There aree Catholics who swear that being in the movement got them back to the sacraments and Our Lady . . . Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, in keeping with all Church tradition, always underscored that wishing for extraordinary gifts or, worse, making them the center of one’s spiritual life, was really a sign of spiritual pride, and that’s what I always discovered in encounters with charismatics, sadly.
 
Putting words in your mouth? I don’t wish to do that; I would rather remove the ones you’ve already conveyed…

Let’s see who brought up the “h” word first:
I just hate how so many Catholics think they have the gift of tongues. They are no different than the multitude of pentecostals that claim the same thing 😦 It’s a big step backwards (in my honest and humble opinion)
And when asked by a poster if you can prove they do not actually have them you replied:
No more than you can prove that they do 🙂
So I thought my reply was logically accurate:
So you hate them for their claims with no proof that they are phonies? :hmmm:

Hate first, ask questions later? 😃

I know that sentiment only too well… :rolleyes:

Peace and joy,
Alan
But you rebuffed:
Talk about putting words in someone’s mouth. I never said I hate anyone. I said I hate how so many people claim to have a gift from the Holy Spirit when Scripturally it is rare and has a purpose beyond excited gibberish. The Holy Spirit is not a dispensary of holy gifts that is on tap for anyone who wants a gift/charism/whatever. This charismatic movement “is” a legitimate movement. It’s just so outbof touch and being abused by individual groups that it’s impossible to discern a charismstic catholic from an evangelical protestant
You’re right. You didn’t write that you hate anybody; you just experience hate when they exercise their devotions in particular ways that aren’t to your liking. Potayto, potahto.

So I will revise my remarks to correct for the error you found…

(this should have been my reply)

So you hate their claims with no proof that they are phonies? :hmmm:

Hate first, ask questions later? 😃

I know that sentiment only too well… :rolleyes:

Peace and joy,
Alan
 
I find this statement rather encouraging, actually. 👍
Well I meant that it is out of line with Christ’s Truth and being guided my individual persons/groups based on fallible people. Hence, it’s “not” a good thing lol I didn’t mean to be offensive but I didn’t want what I was getting at to be taken out of context, in the event that I was not clearly articulating what I was trying to say.
 
Well I meant that it is out of line with Christ’s Truth and being guided my individual persons/groups based on fallible people. Hence, it’s “not” a good thing lol I didn’t mean to be offensive but I didn’t want what I was getting at to be taken out of context, in the event that I was not clearly articulating what I was trying to say.
And how did you come to this conclusion? Did you visit a charismatic convention once and deem it all to be weird and/or phony? Or have you even been to one? Or have you studied them and had heart to heart discussions with them and found that they really don’t believe as strongly as they should?

It seems to be quite a shallow judgment, based on outward appearances only. 😦

Alan
 
So you hate them for their claims with no proof that they are phonies? :hmmm:

Hate first, ask questions later? 😃

I know that sentiment only too well… :rolleyes:

Peace and joy,
Alan
Please, we need to keep this thread charitable or otherwise it will be banned here as it is in other forums. Is that what you want?
 
But it was you who made the hateful judgement that they did not.

I made no judgement as to whether or not they have the gift of tongues.

Jim
So, you want this thread banned?

Then what good have you accomplished?
 
There is no reason to stay with any charismatic group. The few good things that might come of it are more than counteracted by the real problems – like the fact that innumerable Catholic charismatics wind up leaving the Church or regarding the sacraments and the Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit as sort of second rate things, for those who aren’t REALLY spiritual. It was started by Catholics who were going to a Protestant prayer group back in the 1960s. There aree Catholics who swear that being in the movement got them back to the sacraments and Our Lady . . . Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, in keeping with all Church tradition, always underscored that wishing for extraordinary gifts or, worse, making them the center of one’s spiritual life, was really a sign of spiritual pride, and that’s what I always discovered in encounters with charismatics, sadly.
Well, my honest assessment of protestant charismatic groups is that we tend to over emphasize the Gifts of the Spirit while forgetting about the Fruit of the Spirit.

Charismatic Christianity has come into some very brutal opposition over the past decade by mainline Evangelical “heresy hunters.” There were in fact many excesses in doctrine and practices that needed correction. What has resulted though, is many people have left the charismatic movement and rejoined “normal” churches. And many so called charismatic churches have adjusted their services to where they are no different than other Evangelical church services.

I’m not sure where all this is headed. But if the mistakes are being corrected, then I suppose it’s all worthwhile.
 
Did anyone ever consider that the reason people are involved in the Charismatic Movement, because the Holy Spirit led them there?

God brought my wife and myself through the Charismatic movement, back in 1976. We grew very much from our experience there. When the time came, the Lord led us out and into contemplative life, eventually bringing us to the Secular Order of Discalced Caremelites.

People should be careful about criticizing the prayer life of others like those in the Charismatic Movement.

They’re seeking God with open hearts and devotion. Many are fare more open to Jesus Christ than their critics.

If God speaks to a person, who are you to say He didn’t ?

Jim
 
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