Charismatic Roman Catholicism

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Pani_Rose said:
One man in particular, who in many ways was a modern day Job, a middle aged black man, who had been cheated out of his inheritance and the care his mother had made for him as he was crippled all of his life. Through circumstances he had become somewhat of an alcoholic, but even with the little that he had and the way he was, he always tried to do something for others. We prayed with him one night, along with a priest, in front of the Tabernacle - at the time, I had never known what a nest of spirits was. Well, I found out that night, as he regergitated them right there. They are the most well - they must be what hell smells like.

OH my gosh, the man was free! I tell you he was dancing around the Church, shouting with joy, he was on crutches before. Totally free! He has sence gone to eternal rest, but he got to live the rest of his life in peace.

WHAT A MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE!
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Dear Pani,

I volunteer with a deliverance ministry, and know exactly what you’re talking about. Vomiting is a common way demons make their exit.

I praise God that this man was delivered; what a wonderful thing your group did in praying for him to be freed.
 
Pani_Rose said:
InLight what a blessing to be able to travel to such places and see the works of the Lord through the hands of his priest.
Yes, we too have been blessed to see and be apart of many miracle healings. **It is truly a humbling thing to stand in the presence of God in his people, while he(GOD) is doing the work. **
One man in particular, who in many ways was a modern day Job, a middle aged black man, who had been cheated out of his inheritance and the care his mother had made for him as he was crippled all of his life. Through circumstances he had become somewhat of an alcoholic, but even with the little that he had and the way he was, he always tried to do something for others. We prayed with him one night, along with a priest, in front of the Tabernacle - at the time, I had never known what a nest of spirits was. Well, I found out that night, as he regergitated them right there. They are the most well - they must be what hell smells like.
OH my gosh, the man was free! I tell you he was dancing around the Church, shouting with joy, he was on crutches before. Totally free! He has sence gone to eternal rest, but he got to live the rest of his life in peace.
WHAT A MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE!
I could tell you many more, but that one is the one that jumped out at me. God is so good!
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You live in a wonderful place to be so close to Mother Angelica’s group and EWTN base. That must be making a great difference in your area. My wife and I were there and attended several of Mother Angelica’s shows back in 2000. We hope to be able to go back again if her health gets to where she can make the trip. It was really wonderful.
 
una_fides said:
Where in Church history did authentic Catholics practice being “slain in the Spirit” and speaking in incomprehensible babblings, considered to be supernatural gifts? These new teachings certainly are not truths rooted in the Catholic Church’s tradition as they simply were not practiced throughout her history.
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Acts 8:15-18 (New International Version) “When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into[a] the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money”

Reflecting on the above, how did the Apostles know that:
  1. the Samaritans had not yet received the Spirit?
  2. When they did receive Him?
Clearly, there were signs which were not recorded, but were observed by all present. Since Paul wrote much about the SPirit and the gifts, spirituality was much more practiced in the early church than it is today. This is very sad to say, but in comparison, the modern church seems spiritually dead. And yet, those who are reviving spirituality are criticized if not condemned. We certainly can’t fault the Pentecostals here.
 
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to add my 2 cents to this and suggest a couple of things that were helpful to me in this area. I was raised Catholic, left the Church and returned ( I dislike the word “revert”) when I was in my early twenties. Along the way, my hunger for all things Holy and Catholic grew. This included knowing more of the Holy Spirit. Of course, this desire was caused by Him. Attending Mass, confession, returning to the Eucharist all of that was first of course along with Adoration and years of religious study on my own. Somewhere in there, I went to find a prayer group. My parents had been part of a Charismatic prayer group for a time when I was a young teenager. I will never forget the healing masses that I saw. They were powerful events. As a teenager I turned away. But as a young adult, coming back, I wanted God and lots of Him right in front of me LOL.
I attended a local Charismatic prayer group. I understand the scriptural basis and have no problem with that. They were the kindest, most orthodox people in the faith, rosary, Mass, Adoration all regular parts of the meeting schedule. They have periodically a Life in the Spirit Seminar which is a one or two day meeting that involves Mass and prayer and asking for the blessing of and the expressions of the gifts of the Holy Spirit in your Life. No voodoo. I recommened it.
The other thing I found helpful is a book called The Helper by Catherine Marshall. Yes, she is the wife of Peter Marshall. I don’t know anything about him except that he was a famous Protestant minister. I don’t know if he was anit-Catholic or not so if he was , please don’t jump on it. The book is not anti-Catholic in any way.
It is very helpful in explaining everything being discussed here and it is very prayerful.
If you want to know what path of spirituality God wants you to follow , nothing beats asking Him.

Thanks ,
Maria
 
PO18:

I totally agree with you! I have been “baptized in the Spirit” and it was awesome. I don’t understand why people don’t want to address the Charisms that are given to us by Christ. They are very REAL. I think that the more people understood the Charismatic movement, the more readily people would embrace this great gift to our Church!
 
mom4truth said:
PO18:

I totally agree with you! I have been “baptized in the Spirit” and it was awesome. I don’t understand why people don’t want to address the Charisms that are given to us by Christ. They are very REAL. I think that the more people understood the Charismatic movement, the more readily people would embrace this great gift to our Church!
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The spirits, ALL kinds of spirits, are alive. I have no other explanation for the vociferous opposition to the charisms.

Christ’s peace, sis.
 
Amen…what awesome explanations…I am so moved when I come here to this blog or forum! Maria…I couldnt have said that better…and po18guy…I love what you said…those who have experienced the power of God in greater reality are almost condemned or are… My story is much like Maria’s…however God is merciful and He is still working in me!!! I am seeing such awesome things and yet???I am also experiencing trials…however I KNOW I AM coming out victorious…Gods word says so…Because of Jesus! anyway thanks so much for such insightful, spiritual words…Gods word says …in James…IF we draw close to GOD He will draw close to us. Simple and so powerful!!! who wouldnt want to experience all of HIM! I believe in most cases it is out of fear…because it means we will have to change…to be like our teacher LUKE 6;40…shalom!

Deborah
 
For anyone interested on the CCR forum there are wonderful testimony’s of how the Holy Spirit heald and drew people closer to himself, leading them into a much deeper relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ - the Word Made Flesh. ccc.garg.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewforum&f=9

It just seems to me, that if we deny what Christ has said in his Word, which is clearly stated in Scripture the actions and gifts of the Holy Spirit, then we deny Christ himself as the ‘person of the Word’.
 
Has anyone been to any of Fr. Swizdor’s healing masses (now passed away for some years) or read his books? He is awesome. I was slain in the spirit when he was VERY far away from me. It’s such an extraordinary experience! Also, how about Fr. Peter Mary Rooke? He’s also great! Same thing happened to me with him. He’s not well at the moment - I THINK. But I pray for all our priests who have the gift of healing. I wish someone on these threads would receive it! God gives to whomever He chooses…

Blessings to all!
 
beckycmarie said:
Dear Pani,

I volunteer with a deliverance ministry, and know exactly what you’re talking about. Vomiting is a common way demons make their exit.

I praise God that this man was delivered; what a wonderful thing your group did in praying for him to be freed.
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Awesome, not a chosen line of work I am sure :D, you don’t volunteer for it unless you are called by our Lord to do so. But, it is a rewarding calling for you to minister in.

That same night, we prayed with a women who had been tortured by her mom - litterally, with knives in many different ways, but also things like one day, as a child, her mom forced her outside and locked her out of the house naked, and would not let her back in. She was in her 40s it was an amazing nite of deliverance for this woman also - as we placed her on the floor before the Altar of God and saw God do such a mighty work for her. She was free!

I guess I am only sharing a few things here, because in some ways, people need to know this is real.

It ain’t game time no more folks!

We can’t fight these battles in the name of Jesus unless Jesus himself is doing the work. And the darkness will not fight against itself. God is triumphant in all things. Glory to God!

ARE YOU REALLY WILLING TO BE HIS HANDS AND FEET NO MATTER WHERE HE LEADS YOU?
 
I have been to a charismatic church. I didnt see dog barking but I saw a few things that I was not used to and would not do. I do not like the teachings that traditional Catholicism is heresey. The only thing I have ever been repulsed by in the Catholic faith were the indulgences under Pope X. “When a coin in the coffin rings a soul in purgatory sings.”-as in give me your money and a soul in purgatory will be bought into heaven. Our souls are not for sale. I found that belief to be distasteful, however, this theory was long banished. Martin Luther helped to change that, but I am not Protestant. I often am openminded of many religions, though I prefer traditional Roman Catholicism. I doubt I would ever go back to a Charismatic Catholic Church but I do believe that good things do go on there. I think the crux of it all is that were all humans. You have to take some things people say with a grain of salt. People are always insulting other religions because it is not their preference and truly believe the other is wrong based on environment and preference and whats in their heart and spirit. To be honest if I saw people barking like a dog in the faith, I would probably have to leave bc I would be rolling on the floor in laughter. But I will not “dog” another religion because I think many miraculous things happen in many different churches bc I believe all religions based on the Christian faith and movement are worshipping the same God, it’s just their style of worship that is different. I could be wrong; only God knows:o
 
Hi some posts are just as biased and misinforming.

Just like Evanglicals have anti feelings towards Catholicism.
You are very wrong about the negative comments about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.
The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is not a new invention borrowed from Pentecostals, but a revival of authentic Catholic spirituality that became silent but that never left the Catholic Church.
On the contrary, the Pentecostals and other Charismatic Christians ‘borrowed’ the Charismatic Renewal from the Catholic Church, just as everything Protestants have that were ‘borrowed’ from the Catholic Church during the Protestant Reformation when the reformers trew out the baby with the bathwater.

For more information about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, go to their website: iccrs.org

Shalom!
 
andre said:
Hi some posts are just as biased and misinforming.

Just like Evanglicals have anti feelings towards Catholicism.
You are very wrong about the negative comments about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.
The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is not a new invention borrowed from Pentecostals, but a revival of authentic Catholic spirituality that became silent but that never left the Catholic Church.
On the contrary, the Pentecostals and other Charismatic Christians ‘borrowed’ the Charismatic Renewal from the Catholic Church, just as everything Protestants have that were ‘borrowed’ from the Catholic Church during the Protestant Reformation when the reformers trew out the baby with the bathwater.

For more information about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, go to their website: iccrs.org

Shalom!
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Amen! 👍
 
jam070406 said:
Based on feelings, emotionalism and experience, Baptism in the Spirit and the Outpouring of the Spirit stand at the core of Charismaticism, by which spirit empowerment is achieved. It has recently been called an “unleashing of the spirit” and is considered to be a manifestation that the individual has received the Baptism in the Spirit.
What does this mean? It means the overcoming of all psycho-social inhibitions and barriers which protect the individual from unacceptable social and immoral behavior. Charismatics maintain that spirit empowerment results in the elimination of rigidity and inhibitions that can stifle spiritual energies. Consequently, the line of defense against our deep inner impulses to act out is weakened. The liberation of physic resources from within the unconscious into the consciousness of the individual is not well-known and can have traumatic effects on the person’s psyche, on his personality and on interpersonal group dynamics which are operable in Charismatic prayer meetings.
Built-in psycho-social inhibitions are healthy and necessary, and by preventing an individual from acting out, it helps him not to sin. The normal person discerns the line beyond which actions become morally unacceptable, either internally or externally. To the degree that psychological restraints are weakened, to that degree are the passions excited. Before enslaving men, Satan first frees them from their psychological complexes and then liberates them from all psychological restraints to bring them under his yoke. Liberation and empowerment open the door for Satan to enter. It is known that at Charismatic prayer meetings there have been occurrences of diabolic manifestations which have alarmed both leaders and participants.
Liberation and empowerment, of which the Charismatic man boasts, are contrary to the virtue of humility, because they foster a sense of self-reliance and pride. On the contrary, liberation and empowerment do not strengthen faith; rather we see it as a sort of psychic drug that eventually will cause the degradation of the faith and the mental well-being of individuals.
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 Furthermore, the so-called Baptism of the Spirit and the empowerment that accompanies it place the individual at a spiritual and psychological risk, because he then becomes vulnerable to both internal and external suggestions.  His sense of judgment is impaired, and consequently he is rendered unable to distinguish wheat from chaff, light from heat, and the authentic from the counterfeit.
read more of this article here:
ourworld.compuserve.com/HOMEPAGES/REMNANT/slain.htm

christianorder.com/features/features_2000/features_feb00.html
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I’m a 2nd year catholic convert at age 57.
Was 20 years in ND charismatic but when people started interpreting their own tongues publicly and were being given approval and sometimes a mandate to basically loose their sin consciousness I knew something wasn’t right.
It reminds me of the sripture??? where JESUS said that if that light that is in you is darkness, then how great is that darkness?
I believe that when you have the bona-fide gift of a prayer language, if it were to be interpreted, it would be interpreted by someone else, not the original speaker.
Am I in agreement with the catholic teaching on this?
Thank GOD for the catholic church:thumbsup:
 
headin_home said:
I’m a 2nd year catholic convert at age 57.
Was 20 years in ND charismatic but when people started interpreting their own tongues publicly and were being given approval and sometimes a mandate to basically loose their sin consciousness I knew something wasn’t right.
It reminds me of the sripture??? where JESUS said that if that light that is in you is darkness, then how great is that darkness?
I believe that when you have the bona-fide gift of a prayer language, if it were to be interpreted, it would be interpreted by someone else, not the original speaker.
Am I in agreement with the catholic teaching on this?
Thank GOD for the catholic church:thumbsup:
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You are in agreement with Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians, which means you are in synch with Catholic teaching. Self-interpretation is akin to private interpretation of scripture. 2 Peter 1:19-20 has something to say about that! Saint Paul cautioned that speaking in tongues required someone to interpret those tongues.

Christ’s peace.
 
Hello_Operator said:
I go to a Lutheran university in Chicago. Just the other day, two young women from a Roman Catholic university in Ohio (Franciscan University Steubenville) were visiting one of the students here and were invited into our Christian Life class by the professor to “lead” class, so to speak, to engage in dialouge with the students, and answer questions.

What was particularly interesting is that one of the girls introduced herself as a charismatic Roman Catholic (and also affirmed that her school was affiliated with this movement) and the other said she was part of the Charismatic Episcopal Church. They said that there are healing services at their school and people speak in tongues during mass.

Naturally, one of the questions that developed as I listened to this description of the university was whether or not this charismatic movement is sanctioned within the RCC. Do Traditional Roman Catholics affirm and recognize this movement or does it bring a lot of debate and controversy? Does the Pope have a stance?

Just as an aside, it was a really good class. I really enjoying having them there. They explained the seven sacraments, the rosary, Marian devotion, and their school in general. It was pretty friendly dialouge, even though she called our scholarly books and confessions “heretical” (tension behind the laughter, I assure you), it was a good time overall. I hope to spend some time with them while they’re still here.
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The Catholic Charismatic Renewal of modern times started at Duquesne University in the US in 1967. It is seen by many as an answer to Vatican II where Lumen Gentium stresses that it is not only thru the sacraments that the Spirit bestows grace but He also distributes charisms or gifts among the faithful of every rank. There are approximately 100 000 000 Catholics who have had contact with this renewal - it has been strongly encourages by Pope Paul VI, JP I, JP II and the present Pope. At the Charismatic Congress held in Rome in 1975 Pope Paul VI actually told people in St Peters who did not belong to the movement that they should join the movement otherwise Faith that is lukewarn will die out.

The Renewal merely affirms that the H Spirit that dwells in the baptised is alive and that without Him the Church is nothing but a dead institution. By definition all the baptised are “Charismatic” ie annointed with the Spirit:)
 
Yes, the Charismatic movement is definitely sanctioned by the Vatican and encouraged. I have been part of this movement since the early 1980’s. What it does is re-awaken the gifts of the Holy spirit that we all receive in Baptism and Confirmation. If you read this entire thread, which is lengthy, you will see the discussions, debates and sometimes hostile exchanges that took place. Many do not accept the renewal. Some have gone astray because of it. Most have been strengthened by it. If one points to those who have gone astray and say that it is not valid because of this, I would ask if they would say the same thing about Catholicism. Over the centuries, many Catholics have gone astray. It is not because of the Catholic Church that this has happened. You will find this entire thread illuminating, informative and well documented in parts about the gifts of the Spirit. You will find documents of the popes about it, what some saints have said about some of the gifts of the Spirit and what some Charismatics have said about it and how it has helped them, or confused them. In short, it is a reflection of the human condition experienced in variances by those who have looked into it.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
So it sounds like since I don’t agree with you all on speaking in tongues, I’m not really Catholic. I’ve been on the verge of leaving the Catholic Church for a while now anyway. Thanks for the push, Deacon Ed. I just love the new Lutheran pastor down the road.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Yes, the Charismatic movement is definitely sanctioned by the Vatican and encouraged. I have been part of this movement since the early 1980’s. What it does is re-awaken the gifts of the Holy spirit that we all receive in Baptism and Confirmation. If you read this entire thread, which is lengthy, you will see the discussions, debates and sometimes hostile exchanges that took place. Many do not accept the renewal. Some have gone astray because of it. Most have been strengthened by it. If one points to those who have gone astray and say that it is not valid because of this, I would ask if they would say the same thing about Catholicism. Over the centuries, many Catholics have gone astray. It is not because of the Catholic Church that this has happened. You will find this entire thread illuminating, informative and well documented in parts about the gifts of the Spirit. You will find documents of the popes about it, what some saints have said about some of the gifts of the Spirit and what some Charismatics have said about it and how it has helped them, or confused them. In short, it is a reflection of the human condition experienced in variances by those who have looked into it.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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Thank you so much. I will certainly do my best to read thru the thread as this is something that interests me.

I did a number of Life in the Spirit Seminars. There is a lady in South Africa who is absolutely wonderful. She had 9 children (27 grandchildren at last count) and she started Family of God - a Charismatic Group that meets every Tuesday evening. They also do Healing Seminars. They are celebrating 37 years this month!

I was away from the Church for 27 years and one day I decided to go to Mass - just like that. I found everything so different of course. One thing that the Seminar did for me was change my prayer life. Whereas before I would say to God “I want this and that” I need this and that" I stopped and just wanted to praise Him. I realise that if I had been properly instructed in the first place I would not have left the Church so I cannot understand how anybody can criticise the Renewal.

I am not Charismatic in my manifestations although I do speak in tongues. But I find the Seminar the most powerful thing.

I will read the other threads - thank you:)
 
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