Irish Saints:
Are you suggesting that this thread be reserved for only those whose opinion of this movement be the one that aligns with your own? I’m sorry, I must have missed the “Moderator” tag in your message header, a thousand pardons for the unmitigated temerity to express an opinion contrary to the accepted one. I shall avail myself of a flagrum at the earliest possible convenience.
I noted above that the original post inquired:
OP:
Naturally, one of the questions that developed as I listened to this description of the university was whether or not this charismatic movement is sanctioned within the RCC. Does the Pope have a stance? whether the CCR has the approval of the Church?
What should be apparent to all is that this original post did not ask for a diatribe of the movement based on one’s personal bad experiences, and an exposé of why one should not listen to the authentic guidance of the Church. My comment stands: “Why not keep your reservations to yourself.” They are off-topic. If you read the OP again, the person was very positive and and enthused. So who are the pundits, I ask, who stepped in to puncture his good will?
I noted your indignation previously due to Deacon Ed B using the word “nay-sayer,” and your subsequent request to withhold the “claws.” Have you the only license to use claws? Your entire reply is
filled with nastiness, which usually develops in these threads due to the extreme animosity of those who oppose the CCR. Again, it is off-topic. We should be discussing only the lawful approval of the Church, as requested in the OP. I invite you to start your own thread, called “Why do some people detest the CCR.”
Is this desire for discernment only for charismatics? Am I not entitled to pray for this same “discernment to identify the false and embrace that which is true?” And frankly, what if my prayers lead me to a different discernment than yours? Who wins? Oooh, yeah, I’m sorry…you got the last three popes in your corner, what was I thinking?
Sarcasm noted. Obviously, the papal endorsements are a thorn you would like to avoid at all costs. Remember, Pope Benedict did not simply say the CCR is approved. He went a step beyond basic approval, adding his own praise and encouragement. Coming from HIM, that is a very strong endorsement!
I should not need to explain the ‘discernment’ phrase, if you had read my words in the spirit in which they were given. I repeat them. “Each movement is going to have its share of weeds among the wheat, but we pray for discernment to identify the false and embrace that which is true.” Let’s look at these words in a
respectful manner.
EACH movement, which includes many like Opus Dei, Focolare, Blue Army, Knights of Columbus, Cursillo, and yes, even apparition seekers … is going to have its share of weeds. WE ALL must pray for discernment, which is inclusive of people like yourself.
Joysong said:
There is nothing to discern with respect to the CCR movement being genuine - it is approved.
Ahhh, now we’ve hit upon it. Nothing to discern? This is precisely why so many have an issue with the movement. It places itself beyond reproach.
Nothing to discern with regard to approval. The discernment required was mentioned in the preceding paragraph. the CCR does not place itself beyond reproach. This is solely your wrong assumption.
Then you come out of left field, guns a-blazin’, as if I’m the emissary for the son of perdition himself. Of course, in Christian charity, I forgive you. Perhaps in your zeal to defend your position, you got carried away. I know how that can happen.
This is colored by your rash judgment of my post. Beauty, and yes ugliness, lies in the eye of the beholder. That which is received, is received according to your own faulty misperception. The only guns a-blazin’ are your own.
One is perfectly within their right to cling to those traditions that speak to one’s soul as a matter of personal preference, but it is wrong to impose that preference upon others as though one is not following the Church and in danger of hell-fire.